[Alienware 17R4 / 15R3] - Disassembly + Repaste Guide + Results

I honestly think it would work still. Heat being trapped in heatsink and not coming out is bad either way and especially In hot humid weather like yours. Anything helps IMO. For 30 dollars it worth a try.

 

Its 80-90$ here.

 

Wow. Damn. That is almost triple.

BTW my ambient temps in my house are about 25-26c always

 

Import duty is higher here. Everything is expensive. For example HyperX 32GB RAM costs $649.

 

Have someone order it for you here and then send it to you. I can do that if you want. Just don’t know how much shipping

 

Still I have to pay for import duty(+50%) making it costlier than India. Then again, the product will be delivered to India in a week or so but it'll be in Customs Office for checking which might take a month and a half to get green signal.
I'm eagerly waiting for DRAM/SSD market crash to get USA like pricing on SSDs. Some SSDs are priced like USA.
Thanks for the heads-up.

 

Too bad it cannot be delivered by drone, flying under the radar.

 

Hey @Mr Fox. I finally got my temps to where i am beyond ecstatic! You were correct in saying the 13r3 heatsink on my laptop has reached it peak efficiency and can not dissipate fast enough even with all the mods I have done with LM, pch mod, undervolting of CPU and GPU. Then it got me looking into the Opolar vacuum cooler to help my heatsink and it works! Thanks for the help

 

Then again, it will fly back due to heavy rains making the electronic goods next to useless.

 

Awesome stuff, bro. Glad everything worked out.

It's so silly what kind of nonsense almost everyone has to go through now to have a laptop that doesn't run crazy hot and malfunction. Seems like nobody knows how to build anything properly any more, and that really sucks.

 

It’s just the way things are now. Manufacturers want to jam into the laptops these GPU and cpu meant for a desktop and also want the construction to be as slim line as possible. Nature of how things are going. But as a enthusiast and owner of these high end laptop, it is our duty to tweak them or aquire service. A month ago having temps of over mid 80s Celsius was acceptable to me and I felt it was the norm. Today anything over 75c is considered high for me! Lol

 

I actually think it's actually a whole lot worse than that. These machines do not have desktop grade CPU and GPU or similar performance. (Unless you are comparing them to 5 year old desktop technology and performance, and then it is not too far off base.) They are far less powerful, but they have very poorly engineered chassis, cooling and castrated firmware to help them not go into a thermonuclear meltdown. It's really pathetic. Part of the problem is the retarded obsession of consumers with the notion of having thin and light, but the manufacturers don't even do a good job with what little they have to work with in terms of form factor. They just slop stuff out the door because they know people are going to buy it based on aesthetics and form factor. They don't give a damn whether the products they sell work correctly or not.

 

Nah its just the quality control. Check my post where i post my temps. Those are mighty fine and not even using liquid metal paste. A 5 year old desktop doesnt come close in terms of gpu performance and a 7700hq is on par with a 4th gen core i7 desktop. That in a portable package is great imo. The problem is too thick thermal pads on a lot of machines on this forum. The dtr laptops stock have the same issues if i have to believe nbc reviews.

 

A *2nd gen* core i7 desktop beats a 7700HQ.
2600K @ 4.5 ghz+ smacks the pants off a 3.4 ghz 7700HQ.

 

No it doesnt. i have one heavily OC-ed as a backup system which was my previous second system for when my main system was rendering stuff. it doesnt. even at 5ghz on which mine is running liquid cooled. it really doesnt. There are so many additions to the core instructions added that boost floating point operations quite significantly and the memory bandwidth is higher. Novigrad in the Witcher 3 has quite heavy FPS drops on a Sandy bridge and because of the older DDR3 bandwidth you lose around 10 to 15 frames per second compared to a more modern system with more modern memory.

Digital foundry has a **** ton of videos on that. even a core i3 from the 6th gen beats a 2600K.

(and it uses quite an amount of power ofcourse which isnt feasible in a laptop, needed quite a heavy ROG board to make it run at 5ghz)

 

So mind explaining to me how my 2600k @ 4.5 ghz gets higher k/N score in Stockfish (a chess engine) than a 3.4 ghz 7700HQ?
Before you say I'm wrong, i *OWNED* a 7700HQ. I RMA'd it. But I did quite a bit of testing. 7700HQ got destroyed by a 4.5 ghz 2600K, much less 4.8-4.9 ghz.

 

Cant comment on that. In games such as the witcher 3, bf1, assassins creed origins, pubg, the division a 2600k gets trashed by any modern cpu with decent memory. Stockfish might not utilize modern cpu's well similar to a game like arma 3 which runs like trash on modern systems as well. Digital foundry has a range of videos where they test older core i7s compared to modern ones and also modern budget cpus. Experienced it myself as well. In fact bf1 was tge reason why i ditched my desktop and started using my aw15r2 at the time as my main system with an AGA because it performed better. Both in benchmarks and games. Had a socket 2011 system with 6 cores for rendering but i had sold that system before.

 

I'll do cinebench on my 7820HK at 3.4 ghz when i feel like downloading it on my 2600k to do it there too. Right now I really can't be bothered with anything.

 

4800 mhz 2600K cinebench.



3.4 ghz BGA THROTTLEBOOK 7820HK.

I rest my case.
There's a reason my chess score is better on my 4.8 ghz 2600K.

Look people. Your BGA HQ throttlebooks are SLOWER than a 6 year old CPU.

 

Already at 4.5GHz will the 2600K begin to crush 7700Hq in Cinebench R15 or in render tests as Blender.
See also... Intel i7-2600K in 2017: Benchmark vs. 7700K, 1700, & More (And 7700Hq ain't near old 6700K in performance). All depends on the games used...

 

Put your 7820Hk at [email protected] clocks and compete with your [email protected]
Download Blender + the BMW demo file. Post pict and results afterwards Maybe @rinneh can post his results as well. Blender is free.

 

im downloading it now. but I need a rest.

I know the 7820HK will win at 4.5 ghz (tested the chess engine already before. and CB is 1005-1008-1010). But I'll see by how much in blender.
Too hot to stress test my throttlebook during the day even with LM and power limits removed.

 

I don't talk about 7820Hk and 4.5GHz. Compare 7700Hq clocks (downclock to 7700Hq speed) vs. your old oc'd [email protected]. I expect +9 min in Blender for 7700Hq. Maybe put HQ power limits as well since it's a locked down core i7 chips.

 

Wow you guys took this to another tangent! Lol. This is nerd level to the 100th power

 

Completely awful results for BGA garbage. Throttled down to 2.9 ghz (since 2.9 is base for 7820hk not 2.8 ghz). I changed EC settings to unsupported CPU so it forced 45W power limit with 62W burst.

 

2600k @ 4.5 ghz blender.
Easily beats BGA filth throttling to 2.9 ghz..
@Papusan

 

The results would probably be more correct if you put correct clock and settings for 7700Hq in ThrottleStop.
3,800 MHz (1 core),
3,600 MHz (2 cores),
3,400 MHz (3 cores),
3,400 MHz (4 cores)
And used undevolt. For example -0.150mv


Btw. The results is awful.

 

Per core clocks did not work at all unless I ENABLED C-states in the bios.
With cstates disabled it was always at the 4 core clock (unless throttled).

anyway still awful results.

 

Disgusting results! Maybe we can better see the picture (better results) if @rinneh run the Blender test. Because I expected under 10 min for 7700Hq clock speed with undervolt and proper thermal paste job.

And we will probably never get results from this one who claiming 3.5GHz all 4 cores... MSI GE63VR / GE73VR Raider Laptops

 

I'll try it again.
Will try 0.850v and 3.4 ghz. Wonder if I will get BSOD or it will finish.

and.....bsod.
And the BSOD reset all of my RAM settings too. Nice. And the laptop kept boot looping a few times when it tried to restore default RAM Settings.

 

Less awful results with 0.950v.
But i wont do this again.

 

LOOL. And as expected below 10 min. But two of the cores dropped to 33x. Not sure how long they stayed there. Check it with a second round? And will the MSI owner see 35x on all cores if he run same test with his magic OC'd 7700Hq? Nope

 

Nope not doing it anymore. Already messed up my bios after the BSOD and the laptop black screened on reboot and froze and when i powered it off it reset the RAM timings. I had to put it down to 0.950v just to keep it at 46W.

 

Again. Check the digital foundry videos. You are cherry picking results,

 

I don't give a rats behind about videos or about tests by paid review sites. Post your blender and Cinebench scores. Or are you scared ?

 

I dont really consider blender a valid benchmark for benchmarking modern chips, it barely used any modern instructions. It also doesnt use more than 30watts by the way so it isnt stresstesting as well. Same goed for the very very outdated opengl part.

Even timing prime95 would be much better.

Scared of what.? Kindergarten level right here. They postedbenchmarks in MODERN apps that are actually used in real life. Apps that people actually use these machines for. I dont give a rats ass about an old benchmark that doesnt use any of the modern instruction sets to do its work with. So if you dont want to benchmark assassins creed origins etc on your 2600k i wont put any effort in it too. Especially if those numbers can be found on NBC. If you go through my posts you can find firestrike physic comparisons between my old desktop and aw15r2 with the 6700hq and you will see that the 6700hq was only 300 points off from the 2600k @ 5ghz which is an exceptional overclock mind you.

Also in modern day usage the cpu is still not as big as a factor as the gpu in games. The major reason why people buy gaming laptops. So why purposely leaving out the most important factor? In the end thats what counts. A 8700k cant do anything if paired with a 710GT in any game.

Digitalfoundry is 200000x more credible than what you say by the way. They have shown proper data time and time again and arent sponsored by any manufacturer. One of the most valid reviewers out there when it comes to pure gaming stuff.

 

Blender Benchmarks is useful and can easily crash unstable overclock. + you get benchmarks numbers you can compare with

And where you get those 30w from? Maybe run it? Demo and software already posted.

 

Ran it a while back when you already asked for it

It can crash a CPU but it isnt really really stressful and again it barely uses modern FPU instructions to do its work.

Prime95 is until nwo the only benchmark that pushed my CPU over 50 watts. Same with Throttlestop bench by the way, only 33watts of powerusage. CPU temps dont go over 58c in that case.

My fans dont even kick in with blender.

 

But where is the numbers so we can compare them with what @Falkentyne got.

 

Numbers where the same as the runs NBC did. But thats not my point, I want falkentyne to benchmark modern stuff in real life apps that we gamers use to show the 2600K doesnt perform as good as he makes it out to be. Until he keeps talking his way around that I wont put any effort in testing for him. He can google my old screenshots if he wants.

Its a principle thing for me, and I hate cherry picking from data to make something look bad.

 

I’m on my phone. Can you post the NBC link to the blender results. He posted also 7700Hq clock speed results from his 7820Hk.

Edit. 597 sec

 

Yep older CPU doesn't mean it's dead. Recently, @judal57 smacked my 6700HQ in cinebench after using TS and got a CB score of 720. He didn't do an optimized run. All he did was change multipliers from 31x on all cores to 35x. @unclewebb Thanks for the tool.

 

That's why I always CUDA rendering in Blender to get faster render times. I know my cpu is slow but GPU is damn fast.

 

From the link I posted. 3DM Firestrike physics [email protected] (12057)


i7-6700Hq

 

Yeah thats correct.

for the others all results are here

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-7700HQ-Notebook-Processor.187975.0.html

 

The 2600K is only still an usable CPU if you really OC it, to the level where the power usag eis larger than any laptop can cool and then still it shows larger dips in all modern demanding games. Like i said before, novigrad in the witcher 3 has far lower minimal FPS numbers and more inconsistent frametimes, BF1 runs less, Assassins Creed runs less etc. Its just nice that the SB has such a long lifespan.

 

SOmeone needs to make a comparison between the same 3dmark version. remember the time the firestrike scores where suddenly lower for a period of time? Because of an UI issue or something?

 

I know about this. Was me who discovered the flaws and worked with Futuremark to find the flaws. But not the huge differrence. Around 4-500 points less. In physics score.

 

Even I had to work with FM developer to sort out issue with steam force exiting 3dmark out of the blue. We didn't know what caused and I was searching steam crash logs and chanced upon 3dmark crash log and uploaded it to FM and they told Steam overlay caused the issue and they fixed it in both server and client side.
At that time I was a noob so I was making sure my hardware hasn't any faults.
Try advanced version of 3dmark to best consistent scores. Free version actually scores less by 100-500pts.

 

Ah I forgot abotu that. I had quite a big difference. Maybe 10% of my score? Couldnt figure it out at the time what was causing it.

But yeah you need to overclock the 2600K quite a bit to make it still relevant for these days. Which does says hwo well the chip was engineered that it could handle such large overclocks, but without it also shows that Intel did improve, especially on power usage. I had to run it on liquid cooling with a 2x 120mm radiator to run it at 5ghz and after a while the chip degraded, cant run it at 4.6ghz even anymore. It was cosntantly around 80c under load with liquid cooling. Power usage was through the roof as well.