9980HK in M15 R2 running at 100c

*Update*

Exchange system results - http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/full-speed-9980hk-with-no-throttling-new-m15-r2.830612/
No thermal problems!

 

Have you tried undervolting? Try setting the power limit in throttle stop to 45W

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The CPU is just too hot for such a thin chassis. Cannot be fixed, you can only lower the heat with a liquid metal repaste but other than that you have done all you can already.

 

You under clocked it pretty heavily at x33 on all cores and it's still running hot. That's a clear sign the thermal paste or heat sink are bad. So taking it apart and repasting and making sure the heatsink is balanced making proper contact are the only options to improve the thermals. I've seen some users on reddit get high 80's- low 90's with stock clocks and an undervolt.

That being said taking this thing apart is not user friendly. You need to take out the motherboard as the heatsink is not accessible by just taking the bottom off. So if you are not comfortable doing that then it would be best to send it back and get a 9750h.

Unfortunately dell is notorious for making poorly cooled devices and hyping up how awesome their cryotech something something is. When in reality it's probably "THE WORST" in the business. Razer, Asus, Acer, and even Gigabyte are all making thin and lights that run cooler than the m15 r2. They don't look as nice but they're definitely better products.

 

Yes and no.

Razer laptops limit their CPU's to a TDP of 45watts. Which equals around 3.4ghz under a heavy CPU load on 6 cores for the 8750H for example with an undervolt applied for longer than the initial boost.

Lenovo does do something similar, Acer and Asus I am not sure about. But in ALienwares they are allowed to go full tilt and thus a boosting 9750H already goes double the rated TDp of 45watts and the i9 goes well beyond 100. THe only limit in place is the 100c tjunction which is described by Intel as safe.

 

Razer has the terrible keyboard though. Asus zephryus line has no thunderbolt 3 and Acer Triton 500 has flipped motherboard that's hard to get into and I heard it's hard to install Linux on it. Alienware m15 r1 is honestly better than Alienware m15 r2.

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I dont mind the Razer keyboard myself. Not as good as my old AW15R3 though, but I cannot name a better low profile chiklet keyboard at the top of my head. Maybe the XPS15 has a slightly snappier feel with a less heavy bottom.

I owned the Triton 500 as well, the flipped motherboard was the reason for me to return it, especially because the paste job wasnt good. Also they use plastic inserts for the screenlid to screw those hinges into. I saw too many of those snapping clean off the past 10 years.

If they just gave the R1 the newer design language without chaging the rest of the internals....

 

I agree, they should split the m15 R1 from the R2 but retain the legend design language. The alienware m15 r1 should be the model to go for if you like to tinker and the m15 r2 should be for the casuals.

I liked the keyboard from the Triton 700 but it never really caught on (don't like that's it's shifted forward though).

I just ordered a 2080 Max q version m15 r1, so excited to get it and start doing some machine learning apps on it with Dem Tensor cores @_@

I also think the Alienware m15 r1 is PERFECT in almost every way. It just needs a cooling system that is 15% better with bigger fans. Imagine if we could retrofit the fans from the Alienware m15 r2 into the old one? I would be so excited for that. Hell if they swapped out the solid heat pipes for ones with some water in it, it could help improve thermals.

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From what I saw when I tried a M15 (and my old AW15R3) raising the backside of the laptop easily lowers the temperatures 5 or even more degrees. I feel that is the main flaw on ALienwar elaptops, the feet are slightly too low, but air is also pulled from the exhaust area because of the angle of these laptop feet.

 

Yup, that's why I bought some collapsible feet that stick to the backside, better airflow and typing experience. Also what the hell is wrong with Alienware removing the numpad from the m15? Lol it's like one of the only gaming laptops left with a numpad at 15"

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Exchange system results - http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/full-speed-9980hk-with-no-throttling-new-m15-r2.830612/
No thermal problems!

 

You are sure? Dell limited i9-8950Hk at max 110W in last year AW17R5. They have also added in max power limit cap for 9900K in their newest flagship. Why should they do the opposite for their thin models which can’t handle the heat?

Dell put an Cpu Power cap in all their notebooks.

 

HWMonitor and Intel XTU both read default wattage as 140w for the M15 R2 with 9980HK. My ballpark is that the heat sink can handle 80-90w in short bursts without going above 90c, but above 90w for more than a brief moment = guaranteed throttling and 100c. Without ThrottleStop on, I see 100w+ spikes regularly.

 

Well Razer Blades, Lenovos etc are limited at 45watts. So in a sense Alienware does give it more space to run full throttle. In Prime 95 on the Blade 15. The 8750H is just running at base clocks because it is power limit throttling. But because of that my CPU temps are under full load while gaming also nto surpassing the 90c peak, mostly around 83c average.

 

For both PL1 and PL2?

This is the current models with i7-9750H... I mean have seen you can somewhat unlock Razer's firmware. With Alienware your're locked out.

Alienware m15 R2 - P95 + Furmark Stresstest


Razer Blade 15 - P95 + Furmark Stresstest


Razer Blade 17 - P95 + Furmark Stresstest

 

These m15 R2 120W results look suspect as hell. I would understand TDP to be the limit not the actual CPU Package power. I am sure I can set my TDP to 200W, although the CPU will throttle at 70W sustained.

A Hwinfo CPU Package power reading would be more convincing. The m15 R1 cooling system can barely handle 60W ish of sustained CPU Package power (without LM), so I am a long way from believing the R2 can do 120W.

 

As you requested in the other thread, R20 with HWInfo:

15x Cinebench R20, 30x would take a long time since it's over a minute a run.

CPU-Z, HWInfo, XTU, and notepad output below.

Haven't calculated the score average, but the final run was 4324.

Little warmer today here in California, so laptop was on a cooling pad with fans running.

 

Thanks, quite impressive. Presumably the CPU die is larger than in the 6-core variants which helps I guess. Too bad they messed up with the soldered RAM.

 

^Does this mean the 9980HK actually runs cooler and thus higher sustained clocks than the 9750H and is the better choice in the M15 R2?

 

When Liquid Metal is used yes vs a stock 9750H. Straight out of the box will not run cooler!