MAX Q

How can you confirm you get the overclocked 1070 with the vbios. I just spoke with the order team through chat and they told me the 1070 is not overclocked....


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He basically does. He may not say it's a vBios right out but that is what it is. The entire point of this video was to let people know that Max Q is indeed worthless in this form factor. Why take a Max Q when you can have a 1070 that can outperform it for less money? Umar is not a Max Q fan. I imagine he strays away from saying vBios because people have been asking for it for awhile and they can't release it officially so this is the next best thing.

 

Exactly, Nvidia Max-Q 1080 is *slower* than the full performance 1070.

Turn on CC (Closed Captioning), and watch the video starting at 01:57, and this is what he says:

"...Also, here's a nice little bonus you might not know. Currently shipping on the Alienware 15 notebook we take advantage of our thermal design by providing you with an overclocked Nvidia 1070 GPU. What does that mean? Well..."

Then he runs the benchmark showing the 1070 (with OC) outperforms the Max-Q 1080 is run and results are shown:

Not All Nvidia Geforce 1080 Max-Q's Are Created Equal | Alienware

Man, I never get tired of watching that video

 

Nice, The video is a pretty funny jab at the Max Q

However if they are so against it they should probably stop doing things like this. Unless this is Nvidia telling them they have to push it.

 

Yeah, well, Sales and Marketing likes to put their fingers into the mix.

Alienware is gonna need to move those Max-Q models, especially with Engineering pointing out that Max-Q 1080's are slower for more money.

Besides, what self-respecting salesperson is gonna turn away an additional $400 from a customer? The customer is always right, especially when it means they are spending more money.

You do know the Alienware Recommended options are the ones that Alienware wants to sell, not what's best for you. How could Alienware possibly know what is best for a stranger to order?

 

The worst part about this is whoever programmed it like this probably didn't know the difference either so they just saw 1080 and assumed better more then likely. Don't forget that when you talk to the Sales team they more often then not have NO CLUE what they are talking about. I would actually be surprised if most of them have ever actually laid hands on an Alienware laptop.

I could have sworn Umar specifically said vBios but I guess it was me putting extra words in since I know they have it and want to get it out there.

 

Disappointing considering there is a nice indicator that your are requesting to chat with someone about the Alienware Laptop vs just any Laptop. Assuming that those discussing would be trained specifically on those laptops; I am not surprised if they have never used one.

 

I find most peoples "training" nowadays when in those positions is just selecting prompts on a screen. I had to call Linksys a few weeks ago and the agent I got was completely clueless when I went off script with my issue, she would literally just repeat some verbatim quote from her computer and hope I didn't ask again.

 

Curious I see you have the 17 R4. What bag are you putting that in for travel?

 

remind me to do exactly just that when I get the 15 maxq

 

You're not funny. Please stop trying to get people to apply the wrong vbios to their GPU.

 

Everki Titan backpack. I carry it around almost every day.

https://www.everki.com/products1/18...iendly-laptop-backpack-fits-up-to-18-4-detail

 

I am 6' 1" 240 lbs and that seems like a big bag for my frame.... Is it enormous? Can you still carry on to a plane and stuff under your seat? My entire setup needs to be travel friendly also need to bring two cameras and other accessories and lenses.

 

http://www.timbuk2.com/bruce-pack/1398.html

Says it will fit the Alienware 17 R4 when using the true size fit guide.

So does this
http://www.timbuk2.com/parker-pack/1387.html?dwvar_1387_color=4730

But the dimensions don't make sense.

 

It is a big backpack. I have not had a chance to take it on a plane but it is larger then my Vindicator backpack was and that didn't really fit under the seats so I doubt this will, it will need to go in an overhead bin.

I am 6'4 so I don't find it massive but I am sure it is.

 

Umar has said before that there wasn't going to be a 1070 13 and so I doubt that we'll see a Max-Q chip in the 13 anytime soon since, even though the cooling system might be able to handle a card with a slightly higher TPD than the 1060, I highly doubt that it would meat the noise requirements set by nVidia.

Actually, @iunlock and @DeeX are the ones who have regular contact with Alienware as representatives from Liquid Hz. Mobius 1, who is not a member of Liquid Hz and never had any direct contact with Alienware/Dell despite the common misconception, is currently blacklisted and banned from Alienware's Discord and other communities.

 

Bro @Mobius 1 is it true you are Blacklisted and banned from Dellienware's communities? Too critical regarding Alienware's new direction and policy? They can't handle criticism?

 

He is being investigated for Fraud and advocating Fraud/Return Fraud (including posts on this forum).
It has nothing to do with criticism of Alienware or their products.

 

Fixed my post, thanks for the correction.

 

An interesting little MaxQ tidbit.

I ordered my 13R3 from HIDEV (and yes, I sprung for the cooling mods). One day i was snooping about AW's page and saw 1060 - 78w, 1070 - 125w, 1080massively-quarantined - 110w and it irked me so much the way DELL worded it I emailed @Donald@HIDevolution to see if the 13R3 1060 was getting MaxQ'd. He promptly responded no. I'm happy that nVidia has finally begun putting desktop-class GPUs in, but I'm also p'o'd that nVidia is using MaxQ to hide the "m" designation and see if they can go back to the old m designations. We're at the point that a 1060 can be feasibly run in a 13 to 14 inch laptop without great issue. Why go backwards other than to placate someone who daydreams of a 2-in-1 with a 1060 maxq that doesn't want a proper laptop?

 

Yup, the real red flag to me is that the "normal" 1060 has the same TDP as the Max-Q 1060 TDP, although we haven't actually seen a Max-Q 1060 yet, it kinda says to me that Nvidia is trying to normalize Max-Q as the new range.

If the 1060 Max-Q has the same TDP and performance as a normal 1060, what's the point if not to normalize Max-Q across the line for long term?

 

It is exactly same as before. But this time Nvidia pushed up prices for M graphics, same as the desktop versjon. Remember when 980 was pushed out? Higher prices vs. 980M. Now we will see same prices all over. SCAM!!

 

Noise. Remember that part of the Max-Q restriction is the 40 db noise level.
Notebookcheck and Nvidia (click on view full specs) said the GTX 1060MQ has a TGP of between 60 to 70w, so it would be the least effected of the three Max Q GPUs and at least not be on the level of the GTX 1050 Ti, but it would be lower than that of the GTX 1060.
Looking at the page, I can also see why Alienware opted out on putting a GTX 1070MQ in the 13 R3. It either has the same TGP as the GTX 1060 or 10w more while trying to hit 40 db. That's not exactly the best idea if the 13 R3 was designed to cool the GTX 1060 as it is.

 

Noise can be tuned for all the GPU's much better than it has been in the past.

Most makers have been focused on just getting the best performance, while keeping things cool.

Noise was a 3rd or 4th level consideration, hardly addressed with skimpy custom fan curves, many times not functioning correctly (Clevo).

These Max-Q laptops have fans designed to be quiet, baffling in various forms to keep the noise from reflecting outside the laptop into the owners ears, all good things, but...

It's also being used to sell 1 higher up GPU's to "solve" the problem, raising prices one whole level too, while not bringing the same level performance, in fact you are paying 1080 prices for 1070 performance.

If the same efforts for tuning for quiet operation, with custom fans, baffles, better fan curves with better sensor inputs to balance the noise vs. performance, all of our current laptops would perform as quietly.

What I am saying is a whole level of performance and noise tuning has been "saddled" with extra costs that aren't justified.

We could have had just as nicely tuned full 1080's, 1070's, and 1060's, by extension of the same tuning principles.

We are being induced into paying more for less, instead of getting more for our money with the same performance.

 

It looks like someone got to Umar's reply on Youtube and had it removed

" Fred Reitz 1 day ago (edited)
Are you saying your 1070 is faster then your 1080 Max Q in the same system? I thought only the 17" 1070 was overclocked not the 15? If so you guys need to inform your customer service people who have given people all kinds of information.
(Umar's response was right here... gone)
Here it is again, in case you missed it the first time:

Alienware 1 day ago (edited)
That's what I'm saying I got from the benchmarks I ran. -Umar"

Umar has other comments now showing in that comments section, just that one that I know of and had posted here earlier has been removed.

At least the video is still up... maybe we should archive it offline before it goes too...

Spoiler

 

I wonder if that 1070 bench was at stable clocks?

 

Why would he remove his comments? Maybe it's not shipping that powerful at the new stock vbios?


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AFAIK it's only that one comment that was removed, and my guess is either he was asked to remove it or someone else with access removed it.

 

Seems like he would be asked to remove it. Guess that means we won't get any real answers from them anymore until someone in the community tests both machines.


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He shouldn't have revealed it in the first place.

 

If they crippling next vBios... Only for pushing out 1080 Max-Qrippled due the higher price. More cash is always the goal. What the customers get is second or last as always!! Could as well be due increased RMA numbers.

 

Origin PC Shows Off the Evo 15-S With Max-Q Design

 

I think that already started with the shift towards the Kaby Lake Alienwares, where suddenly the GTX1060 was not the base model anymore but you were paying the same for a base AW13 with GTX1050 Kaby Lake as for those with GTX1060 Skylake.

 

It looks like the cool and quiet features from Max-Q are now available in Beta for all Pascal GPU laptops. Has anyone tried it?

Nvidia has shipped Whisper Mode (for all Pascal GPU's) with their new drivers, maybe the AW will respond well to that tuning, and other tuning, to bring you the quiet mode like the Zephyrus (probably run a lot cooler too).

GeForce Experience changelog for 3.7.0 introduces Whisper Mode for 10-series Notebooks.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/6i6z9t/geforce_experience_changelog_for_370_introduces/
https://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/whispermode/supported-gpus

NVIDIA WhisperMode Technology

"NVIDIA also introduced WhisperMode technology, which makes laptops run much quieter while gaming. WhisperMode intelligently paces the game's frame rate while simultaneously configuring the graphics settings for optimal power efficiency. This reduces the overall acoustic level for gaming laptops. Completely user adjustable and available for all Pascal GPU-based laptops, WhisperMode will be available soon through a GeForce Experience software update."

So any full power Pascal GPU laptop can opt to use the tuning of the WhisperMode to reduce noise when needed, reducing temps at the same time. It's supposed to reduce game settings, limit FPS, and other tuning tricks to accomplish this, just like the Max-Q laptops.

 

Maybe its quiet mode 2.0 for pascal.

 

IDK, what's in a name?

WhisperMode sounds fine to me.

What I'd like to hear is that someone tried it and it silenced their laptop to the point where it meets the 39dba quiet mode similar to Max-Q.

That way we can run our full performance GPU laptops at full power when we need to, and then enable WhisperMode when we need quiet.

 

Enable it using nvidia inspector profile and see it. Basically <75C on full load, fans run in passive mode, >75C its in active fan state. Fan speed curve are optimised for max stealth or minimal silence. Try it. @Papusan wanna give it a try, hahha

 

So are you confirming the updated drivers basically put it in quiet mode which can be turned on and off?

 

Yes I think so.

 

I thought GFE was a major component of the whole WhisperMode eco-system for managing thermal load? It adjusts game performance settings and manages a FPS limiter.

Although enabling WhisperMode with Nvidia Inspector might get the fan / temp profile enabled, the GFE needs to be installed to manage the games and load to keep the temps down, right?

NVIDIA Inspector 1.9.7.8

NVIDIA Profile Inspector 2.1.3.9

GeForce Experience changelog for 3.7.0 introduces Whisper Mode for 10-series Notebooks.

GFE 3.7.0.68.zip <= Beta version with WhisperMode

GFE 3.7.0.81.exe <= current version from Nvidia, WhisperMode status unknown

GFE Latest Download <= generic download area for GFE, WhisperMode status unknown

If you find a version newer than 3.7.0.68 with WhisperMode, please post it's link and your experience with it.

Versions updated 7/8/17

NBR Thread - nVIDIA Whisper Mode

 

I will install and experiment in a bit....I don't have high hopes that it will be pretty lol....

Are these the same drivers from the end of June? i have them installed but can't enable whisper mode yet.

 

It is after all Beta Software, from Nvidia...

 

I'm sure Nvidia will enjoy sitting in the headquarter and look at Telemetry data even more and in bigger loads Hell lots more spying will be implemented. And Gefart Extreme will probably be <less> buggy as more features now will be included Damn nice. Yet another reason to extract your drivers before install (instead of run directly) and throw half of the ****y package right into the dustbin.

 

It's true, in this case in order to use WhisperMode in total, we need to install GFE, which I never do for those privacy reasons + resource sucking background processes, and updates that overwrite my custom game settings.

But, then again, I don't think I need WhisperMode myself, so no great loss.

 

Interesting Linus new video showed benchmarks where the zephyrus 1080 max q beats the Alienware 1070.... a little shocking after Umar video.


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I dunno the build quality on the zephyrus looks flimsy as ****.

i guess charging a premium doesn't warrant them going full aluminum.

 

Yeah watch the video; plenty of flex


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Also, was the 1070 OC'd? Linus did not say that it was, so maybe Umar's video is still valid?

 

Linus is likely using old benchmarks or a previous production AW 15 1070, the new 1070 OC Umar used for benchmarks just started shipping.

I think owners of the AW 15 1070 can get a BIOS / vBIOS update to match performance, so it's worth a call to AW to find out.

Hopefully AW will indeed support updates to get previous sold units up to the same performance as current production.

Linus conveniently "forgot" about this little detail... IDK how they couldn't know about it...

GTX 1080 Gaming Laptop Thin as Macbook Pro – ASUS Zephyrus

I think they used benchmark results from the old 1070 AW 15, not the new 1070 Stock OC AW, that should match the performance of the Max-Q 1080.

Also, notice how only 2 games got close to 120 FPS, the rest were well under, so maybe run the display at 60hz instead of 120hz.

 

Was strange how he wasn't hitting 120hz when the 1070 should be able to do that at 1080p


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