NEW!! Alienware Area-51M LAPTOP!! (to replace alienware 15 and 17)

cc to @hmscott

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/ces-2019-events-announcements-video-articles.826767/page-8

 

I'll settle for a Desktop for now. I'll wait till things roll out. I mean at least they were honest about future GPU releases. Though I'm not really banking on longevity at all.

Also, now it seems it's no longer a tripod mount for the CPU Heatsink.

 

Alienware did not just unweal a brand new slim 17.3" gaming laptop at CES, but they also revealed their first barebone laptop which supports changeable graphics and desktop CPU!

ALIENWARE AREA-51M

- 17.3" screen
- changeable 8th or 9th gen CPU
- changeable graphics





Alienware made this laptop for enthusiasts who like to tinker around inside their laptop. This is why it is full with helping messages inside and this is why they are not using any marked screws or "Warranty Void" stickers.
Anyone can mess around inside (until you don't break something).

The inside:





Huge amount of heatpipes!





Changeable CPU in an Alienware machine !




Changable graphics in an Alienware laptop! The RTX 2070 using AW's own Dell Graphics Form Factor (DGFF) form factor instead of using standard MXM factor. As of now AW do not know if they will support future cards (or AMD cards) with this factor.



1x 330W Delta power brick is not enough, so a smaller adapter is used to help out.

It will be released on January 29.

Starting price of the cheapest model (8700 CPU+RTX2070+1080p 60hz screen) will be $2,549.

What do you guys think?

Does the better cooling, better software support and higher quality components worth the extra money over a Clevo P775TM ?

Now I really wonder how does the new cooling look like in the P775TM.

Alienware made a full non BGA laptop, they probably know @Papusan wan't one

Complete disassembly from Verge:



Some press videos:

 

I like the cooling pipes - individual pipes plus a dash of shared pipes for balancing.


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Oh boy I wonder how much temperature will that heat sink be able to dissipate. To think that I'am planning on upgrading my unit to have 3 fans and still doubtful that it can cool 9900K/9700K cpu's while the alienware just put 2 fans with somewhat anemic looking cooper heat sink

 

More details release:
Specs PDF:
https://app.box.com/s/h9rfv9cmt8kn0vxab2fx0c1osrx9zk61/file/380112021802

All the rest:
https://app.box.com/s/h9rfv9cmt8kn0vxab2fx0c1osrx9zk61/folder/63323844202

(also added to the main post)

DAMMIT, it has no 1440p or 4k monitor!! Really??

 

Whoa.....what a surprise. I hope it does well so that other companies take an interest too. The main problem, that has been for a while, is the GPU form factor and difficulty in upgrading in the future. Still, if the cooling is good, it will offer better performance than the BGA counterpart.

 

I hope the all the BGA badgers buy this. This is what everyone has been asking for.

Finally something that isn’t “a turdbook” and now it’s time to put up or shut up.

This is shaping up to be a game changer


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darn, I am late to the party, there is already a topic for this: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-to-replace-alienware-15-and-17.826796/page-6

 

Intel® Z390 Chipset ?! Jesus christ! Clevo stayed on Z370...AW is really kicking Clevo's ass with this one.

 

The more details that come out about this I see I was wrong about a few things. “No way. It’s CPU and GPU will be upgradeable “

Looks like Dellienware came out swinging and looking for a fight. Good on them. Definitely the best laptop cooling they’ve done for a few minutes


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@QUICKSORT I actually dont miss 3k or 4k display. Even with an RTX 2080 Battlefield V with RTX Ultra only can give stable 60 fps with an FHD display, with 3k or 4k display it would just be a microstuttering mess...unless you turn down the graphics.

 

Even though the GPU is upgradeable, I am hoping Dell has DGFF GPUs for sale for consumers to purchase to further drive the point (trying to rectify a problem with MXM graphics card). As far as I know, only the Area 51m and the Precision 7x30 use DGFF, so at least both series benefit from each other.
That said, I expect the price of the DGFF GPUs to be exorbitant if they are for sale.

 

It's worse, they gave an LGA a BGA treatmeant a lá Alienware ! Sharedheatsinks pff what where they thinking...... This gonna fail.. HARD....

 

If it wasn’t for the AGA that works so well with the older laptops this looks very promising but from the video the fans spinning so loud doing nothing is a red flag.

 

How so? Looks like normal LGA to me. Bottom center of third heat assembly pic shows the metal bracket poking out from behind the copper the guy is holding

Shared heat pipes and no vapor chamber is a real downer though

 

The verge article mentions a 330W +180W combo.

 

Cause the heat will likely move from the CPU to the gpu. Or maybe it's still how it is today. It's only logicall to have some spacing between the pipes. The pipes also heat up surrounding air within the chassis, so the more space you have, the more cool air can flow through your chassis. It can be even manipulated by creating different pressure's.

 

For the 9900K and 2080 combination. That's not enough sadly. Not even close.

 

True, However, as I wanted to switch from desktop back to laptop, what I was looking for is the following:
- 15 inch,
- 4K Oled, (this I was hoping for because Samsung announced it, otherwise I want a 1440p 144hz IPS g-sync that has good colors, like >95% srgb, and if possible >75% adobe rgb)
- I don't care about RTX, for me I would have preferred a gtx 1180 instead of an RTX 2080, so I would have wanted a gtx 1180 max q (max q because better thermals and smaller PSU, or no 2 psu's)
- No chicklet keyboard
- Not too large size (which unfortunately is the case for the area 51m), But Also not too thin because of bad thermals, bad keybaords.

Though I could still go with the Area 51m, but I have to think about it.

 

I uploaded the shared videos to Youtube so people on mobile phones could watch them too

 

I see numerous signs of improvement internally compared to where Alienware has been between 2013 and 2018. The execution on thermal management and firmware capabilities will be the ultimate deciding factor. The LGA socket, 4 DIMM slots, modular GPU and conceptually improved heat sinks are all positive moves if functionality actually follows suit. It would also help eliminate the issue of out-of-warranty turdbooks becoming disposable trash due to severely overpriced motherboard/CPU/GPU assemblies. I am still not pleased with the aesthetics of this thing, but as others have said, if this sells well in spite of the high price tag it and it ultimately forces other brands to make similar changes to notebook design the net result could potentially be a win for everyone... even if Alienware does not do well on the firmware and thermals. Who doesn't want to see emasculated BGA filth die, right? Now, if we can get the thin and light sissy boys to hush up and not start whining about it being too big and heavy, that would also be a win. Those clowns are what started the whole notebook industry circling the drain 5 or 6 years ago. Now, let's wait for the results and see if any improvements are actually going to happen on the execution side of things. (That's where their greatest failures have been for the past 5 years.)

 

@Mr. Fox @Papusan , they just start to do what you guys asking for, good move to the right direction, let's give them a chance maybe they really start to correct their mistakes. We need someone to compete with Clevo to motivate them as will to fix their problems.

 

I can't imagine what you actually expect from a desktop replacement notebook, like full on desktop overclocking performance? Competitive grade overclocking? I mean, 330+180W is way more than a laptop chassis can handle unless someone actually wants something weighing 15-20lbs.

 

Of course. Forgiveness must be given if we want to receive it in return. Trust is the bigger question, and that is why results must come first. Trust but verify. Verify first, trust later. Fool me once... We shall see. I am still skeptical.

Maybe Azor is tired of his brand being viewed as trash. Or, maybe his career depends on actually doing something right after 5 years of abject failure. Whatever the motivation is doesn't matter if they deliver on all expectations. He has an opportunity to play the hero in a dying industry, and hopefully he will step up to the plate and do that. I'd be happy if he did. Somebody needs to.

Not a problem. Too much is always better than not enough. I'm thinking single 660W brick or 780W a la Eurocom is a much better approach than fumbling around with two bricks and extra cord clutter. The imbalanced brick capacity also seems like a sucky idea to me. If they're going to use two instead of one, the differing sizes seems kind of janky to me. Just go with dual 330W or a single with more than enough capacity and knock it off with the goofball stuff. A fully overvolted and overclocked 9900K is going to gobble up a single 330W AC adapter without much effort.

 

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/pdp/spd/alienware-17-area51m-laptop

 

Only thing good about this throttlebook is they got rid of the tripod. Probably because they were forced to.
I can actually see this running under 90C if only the CPU is loaded, at 4.7 ghz. But try to play Battlefield 5 on that thing....it's not going to be pretty. Wonder what will hit 100C first with the CPU and GPU puking heat on each other?

This thing could have used 4 fans. Two for CPU, two for GPU, with separated heatsinks. But of course, they designed the chassis first, right?

 

From the mouth of Mr. Azor himself, starting price of $1,949. Looks sweet.






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If they want to send me one to run through the wringer, I would be happy to test the living crap out of it to discover how far and how high it can be pushed with overclocking before it runs out of mojo. Having a overclocking pro explore the limits of functionality (like the good old days) is the right way to make it sell with the right audience.

 

Are there any news regarding color? Will there be black or only this white chassis ?

 

According to the reviewer's guide, there's Dark Side of the Moon (Black) and Lunar Light (White).

 

Both colours are shown here:



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This color is Lunar Light and there’s also Dark Side of the Moon


Pictures available on their website


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Nice, thanks

Btw, reason why Dell did not go with MXM and their module also has the DP,HDMI and eDP port directly soldered to it (jump to 3:10):

 

man the 2 psu is a bummer for me. I had a Clevo years ago that had 2 240w and it was a pita! those weighed like 10pounds alone.

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Alien...-removable-GeForce-RTX-graphics.387866.0.html
Some interesting details on why Dell chose DGFF over MXM, potential for future [consumer] GPU upgrades, and an upgrade service. No mention of AMD GPUs, though (despite Dell having made AMD GPUs in the DGFF).

 

Well well well Here it is everyone.


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MSI sure found itself in a ****storm for hyping future GPU upgrades, one it hasn't found its way out of yet.

I guess Dell has stops just short of a promise, though pretty much every tech site/video I watch is leading with the laptop having upgradeable graphics as a feature.

edit: nvm, the official Dell page talks about easy GPU upgrades. RIP Dell if those don't come true.

 

Oh my days,
This looks so beastly. I don't spot a subwoofer which is a turn off for me, but other than that this system looks very promising. I even like the new form factor they created, it's so much better than MXM since it doesn't rely on the motherboard circuts.

 

The 2 power supplies is really the biggest point i dislike about it.
The overall design is just stunning (i wish there were more companies that provided white laptops, instead of all red and black), upgradabiliy is not too bad (aswell as repairs, faulty cpus dont require a complete mainboard change anymore), and it is not too thick aswell.
Price starting above 1949 USD ( - 12:48 minutes) is also good.
Although the GPU comes with a Dell proprietary design and the Desktop CPU socket might be obsolete withing maybe 2 years, still a tempting machine ...
Switching to m15, m17 and area 51m might have been a nice choice probably.

 

Well well well here it is guys

Good things good things... It shall be a fun ride.

The impossible of what many have sold their PC souls to of never bringing back AW's roots, have a rude awakening with this new product from AW...

For many of us who have been patient without losing hope, what a treat!

I do like the form factor and futuristic look. The build is solid as expected. Man what a treat to not have a cheap chrome book quality DTR.

Another nice thing is how open and honest AW is about all the questions surrounding the laptop...

Very cool stuff... It's refreshing and much needed in the stale gaming laptop sector. Many more could follow now, bringing us some goodies. Asus is really stepping up lately too.

Great stuff.

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Back in the day there where dual psu mods for the 18 inch. SLI with 2 330W psu's and a cpu than could run full power without throttle in combination with an prema modded bios. Now people settle for less it seems. Not the enthusiast/modders though, too much proprietary stuff and shared heatsinks AGAIN like the 5 th time in a row already.

 

The m15 is getting a damn 4K Oled panel, but for this one they are stuck with a full HD one with a pathetic color gamut.
Damn, I don't know what to go for.

 

Well you can build a better PSU for it if you do not like to carry around 2.
Perfect example is the 700W active cooler PSU offered by Eurocom for Clevo laptops.
Big electronic stores sell the main core of the Eurocom PSU, so anyone can buy them.
The tricky part is to mod the PSU firmware so it would not burn the laptop

If I can buy this laptop my first step on the modding list would be to get a custom built 600W PSU for it.



Maybe it does not look as professional as the factory PSUs provided, but hell, it still better to carry around 1 than 2

 

I wonder if the power inputs only support parts of the laptop. One of them supporting the main board + CPU, and the other one supporting just the GPU. Just a thought given the 180w power supply seems to be the only constant in the power supply options.

 

My off the wall guess is that’s one PSU goes straight to the GPU and power is not shared / balances between the two power adapters.


There’s trade offs with any configuration of course - but it would be nice if it could run off of a single power adapter for functions that don’t involve a heavy load


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Jinx. I was just typing up something along these lines!


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DIMENSIONS & WEIGHT
1. Height: Front 1.09" (27.65mm) – Rear 1.23" (31.2mm), Peak 1.7" They still prefer thin even in their so called DTR. It seems they has massive resistance to go the opposite direction. Always looking to Apple. Peak thickness, LOOOL

And they allow the Cpu to run 1.25x 95W TDP. It seems people have forgot that Alienware hard capped i9-8950Hk in AW17R5 at 110w. Why shouldn't they on their new model?

DESKTOP POWER PACKED INTO A LAPTOP
The Area-51m features a host of firsts for peak performance and power. It’s our first-ever Alienware laptop to feature 8-core, 16-thread Intel® processors, giving it a whole new level of compute power versus other gaming laptops. Engineered with desktop processors, the CPU is enabled with up to 125% rated power, allowing high-end overclocking. This results in higher performance for megatasking, CPU-intensive gaming, as well as day-to-day applications.

See above!

Reversing a trend that has gone unabated for the past 7 years with worse and worse products is an impossible task. How many chances should they get?

 

The verge article does mention the ability to use just the 180W for portability, but not sure how accurate that is. I wonder if doing so, it would enable the iGPU instead of using the dGPU.