*OFFICIAL* Alienware 17 R4 Owner's Lounge

Yes you can use the alcohol. Not the whole bottle As long what you use don't scratch the die. Use whatever you have.

 

hahaha, I keep it for myself, with orange juice.

This is the result of applying liquid metal to Gigabyte Gtx 1080 g1. I do not think it's good. Do not change the thermal pads, only apply Grizzly liquid metal.

 

Has anyone had a chance to see if the new Kaby Lake 17s have the same cooling issues?

 

For good results with Liquid metal... You need good fit between die - heatsink. If not. Use a conventional thermal paste or fix the underlying problem

 

Yes, that's why I ask you to remove LM. I'm going to use Kryonaut for now. When I have the new thermal pads I will reapply LM. Do you know what thermal pads I can use? I plan to use this Fujipoly / mod/smart Ultra Extreme XR-m Thermal Pad - 60 x 50 x 1.5 - Thermal Conductivity 17.0 W/mK

https://www.amazon.com/Fujipoly-mod...8&qid=1481377484&sr=8-2&keywords=fujipoly+1.5

 

I prefer the softer 11-14W/mK variety. I do not know what thickness you need. But softer pads is easier to use if the contact pressure isn't correct. If you understand what I meant.

 

I thought 17.0 W / mK would be better. But I will pay attention to you, you have more experience. I'm looking for the page where I said the thickness I need for Gigabyte Gtx 1080 G1 Gaming. I read it on a page and note 1.5mm, but I want to make sure.

 

You should as well start to use the forum more http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...e-recommendations-update-thermal-pads.796820/ You're welcome

 

No reports yet, but clock for clock, the 7700hq is reported to run just as hot, so along with its higher stock clock this will be interesting to see what dell does. Best case, they roll them out with the correct thermal pads and heat sink fix and they run as well as a fixed mild overclocked 6820hk. Worst case, the first batch may have been produced before the early December reports of how to correct the issue and will mass RMA'd, especially if they are built by the same workers that did the other R4s.

The fact that we aren't seeing any 7820hk Aw's speaks to me that heat is still an issue.

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lol just try it ffs

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Looking for the 40 pin monitor wire I came across the service manual. Posting it here for all

http://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/alienware-17-laptop_Service Manual_en-us.pdf

 

Actually the delay has something to do with the motherboards and G-Sync certification.

 

Does anyone have the part number to the LG FHD 1080p screen? Looking to see if I can find one cheap on Ebay and replace my Chi screen in hopes that I can overclock it to maybe 80-100Hz. Mine only goes to 61Hz right now.

 

In HWiNFO it says LG Phillips LGD0513 on my machine

found this
http://www.laptopscreen.com/English/laptop-part-number/Dell/JWGJ6/
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-DP-N-0...055d193&pid=100623&rk=5&rkt=6&sd=271479271192

this should get on the right path. mine might come available once my new one arriives

 

Evidently you just don't know where to look. Enthusiasts are in the Clevo overclocker's lounge. Already have seen over 5ghz benchmarks in laptops with a 7700K. So keep the arrogance to yourself or get out of the BGA crapbook sections to find out more!

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Although I prefer gelid for my systems for a normal paste, a proper application of mx-4 in a medium mounting pressure does perform well (we do not have high mounting pressure). I didn't get more after running out, but it did perform well. Just there are those that perform better. I'm sitting on a full tube of IC diamond, two tubes of gelid gc extreme, one application of indigo extreme (running the other in my P770ZM currently), and three or four tubes of CLU (thicker than phobya liquid metal and conductonaut, stays in place better for a laptop moved around).

I've seen MX-4 perform very well and I've seen it perform like **** in other uses. It varies. But, I will also say others perform better and as I'm a number chaser and my laptop is out of warranty, I have CLU on my GPU and CPU die to ihs, I use indigo extreme between the IHS and heatsink, and I used fujipoly extreme 17W/mK pads throughout, lapping both the heatsink and both sides of the IHS and replacing the supporting screws with straight screws and pressure testing with pressure film. I've benched my ZM over 5GHz, so don't try to say I don't know what I'm talking about...

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LM and repaste DOES NOT void warranty


EU consumer protection also better than USA

 

Very thorough and going all the way. I like that. There's a lot of fun in delidding and doing it right.

For medium to high pressure mounts, yes most pastes will perform about the same (initially), however, as I've mentioned not all paste will last as long. Some will degrade faster than others and you know that.

MX4 was great back in the day, because there wasn't anything better at one point in time in history. As we all know there are better pastes now so to me there is no logic in saving a few dollars, if at all, for someone to buy mx4 over other better pastes. I guess that's my point... We see people penny pitching over saving a measly $2 between Grizzly Kyronaut and MX4 and it's just a *face palm* every time.

Congrats btw on your 5GHz...

Oh and for the record, have I ever said that you don't know what you're talking about? Or was that just a general remark for?.....

Are you going to mess with Kaby Lake at all to see how far you can push the chip? It should be able to achieve 5GHz with not much effort at all. Exciting stuff... although it's not much of an upgrade from Skylake, for what it's worth if it can be pushed past 5GHz more easily than the previous gen....I guess that's a plus in its own regard.

 

That part about knowing what I'm doing was a general statement to stave off any comments that could cause me headaches.

As to Kaby lake, I might, but not in my laptop. I have a ZM and the DM and now KM series are what support Kaby. As to my desktop, I bench at 51/48 on skylake right now and just got 4000mhz stable on my ram for it (CL16 20-20-40-310 2T). I'm debating whether Kaby is worth it or if I should sell this build and buy a Ryzen rig (depending on boards and 6 and 8 core OC-ability)...

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Ryzen looks to be promising. Gosh after almost a decade of Intel domination, to even think of AMD pulling through just feels unrealistic due to the long stretch of nothingness.

Regarding the Kaby Lake chips... if they are sending them out clocked at +300MHz than before, perhaps they are better binned chips and could be pushed further to reach those marks where the Skylakes thinned out at? I'm thinking that the Kaby's will be a lot more OC friendly just due to them being better binned. I wonder if this will translate into the 7820HK's being able to finally achieve 46x without it thinning out at that speed. That in itself would be a pretty nice treat for a mobile chip.

I'll know here soon on what the 7820HK can or can not do...proof is in the pudding right?

 

I can't support BGA, but all Kaby lake are shaping up to be great overclockers. I've seen 5.2-5.3 in laptops so far... I'm sure I could do wonders with my desktop...

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Yup. TGC's limit is 10C.

Take a spatula (like the plastic one that comes with Gelid Extreme or even the new TGC's come with plastic spatulas) and pool the LM together.

Next take a Q-Tip and and spin it to lift up the LM. Discard frequently as it could turn into a big mess so try not to keep using the same Q-Tip...ie... once you've made contact and have spun the Q-Tip 360 degrees, just move onto using the other end, but be careful to not drop any LM anywhere lol. It's a pain in the....

Once you've got most of the LM (puddle) lifted off, take a Q-Tip and dip it in rubbing alcohol and just wipe the rest away. It comes off fairly easily.

The main goal here is to remove as much LM as possible before you start wiping it off.

Tip: If you are needing to clean off LM (bead) that has fell onto the mobo or something, use tape to lift it off. It works very well and keeps the LM's bead from breaking. Just straight down and straight up...don't' smear it.

There are no 7820HK's on the 17's at the moment. Only the 15R3 has the 7820HK with the FHD 120Hz display.

17.0's are great, but 11.0's will work as well and save you about half the cost of the 17.0's.

True, unless one is going to make darn sure every contact point is spot on, 11.0's with it having a greater elongation percentage will be more friendlier to apply.

 

On the 5th early morning they actually did have the 7820HK as an upgrade option on the 17 with no price difference from the 6820HK. But for some reason since then it is no longer offered. For now.

 

Hardware ID on my LG panel (yes, it does 100hz just fine) ... : LGD0513

I think this is one on Ebay: LG IPS LGD0513

The MFG Part Number from that page: Dell 04PYT3 4PYT3 LGD 0513 17 I7779

Hope that helps...

 

I know I know...but someone has to do it right?

Yea as for a desktop though...very much anticipating some crazy OC numbers...

 

Yea I saw that as well....it was a fluke.

 

Just got off the phone looking for the 40 pin monitor cable and M.2 heatsink. Here are the part numbers if anyone need to order these parts
M.2 heat sink
ASSY Thermal Plate for SSD, ASSY,HTSNK,SSD,15/17
40 Pin monitor cable
ASSY,CBL,EDP,QHD,,AW17R4

Just my luck they are both out of stock.

 

I use this 4mm Cooper heatsinks with Samsung 960 pro x 1tb. Work very well...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Copper-Heat...986285?hash=item2823e648ad:g:QaIAAOSwj85YQB0M

 

Dell offers an update from 6820 to 7820?

 

Just finished again and they have them both in stock

Quantity Item Number Description Unit Price
1 JV98R Assembly,Heatsink,Software Support Diskette,15/17 $5.99
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1 WTNR3 Assembly,Cable,Embedded Display Port,QHD,GSYNC,AW17R4 $10.99
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1 JV98R Assembly,Heatsink,Software Support Diskette,15/17 $5.99
1 WTNR3 Assembly,Cable,Embedded Display Port,QHD,GSYNC,AW17R4 $10.99
Item Sub Total $16.98
Item Ship Charge $0.00
Item Tax $0.00
Item Sales Tax $0.85
Item Total
$17.83

 

For now you have the option to select the 7820HK on select configuration for 17 or 15

 

Probably tomorrow I'll order an AW 17 r4 with FHD ips and 1070. I just don't know if select Tobii or not... What do you guys suggest? Here in Italy it costs 205€... Is it worth?

 

I disabled the Tobii eye tracking thing immediately. Gimmicky as far as I'm concerned. I also disabled the "look at camera to log in" thing. Also very bothersome for me since 90% of the time I use an external monitor.

 

I wonder if it was due to supply or them trying to address the cooling issue. If you click the build button in this like they are advertising the 17 with 7820hk http://www.dell.com/en-us/gaming/alienware-laptops?cs=19

 

Best Buy is now offering pre-orders for the 17R4 with KabyLake 7700HQ for $1799 and $1999 (same price as unit with 6700hq previously). Here are the links. What confuses me is how the new $1999 model has G-sync when Dell/Alienware itself removed the G-sync option from their own site.

1080p
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/alienwa...id-state-drive-silver/5713009.p?skuId=5713009

1440p gsync
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/alienwa...id-state-drive-silver/5713010.p?skuId=5713010

 

It was listed on the configuration tool for a day.
On that day if you selected it an error would display saying it was not compatible with several components including the wireless card.
This means it was not meant to be live in the configuration tool.
As of today Dell has posted confirming the 7820HK is going through some certification procedures and also need some supply. They have estimated the 7820HK + GTX 1080 systems to be available some time in mid to late February. What will they do about the 7820HK + 1070 models? They have yet to comment about that, you can rest assured that many have already asked and we should know soon.

 

Hi! @iunlock how are you? I need some of your time. Please, can you tell me the OC settings for (x39, 40x and 41x) that you used when you ran OCCT after apply LM?
I want to run OCCT on my 17 R4 and compare it with your results after apply LM.

Core Extra Turbo Voltage, PL1 and PL2

Update
Here you recommend Core Extra 0 and PL1/PL2 100000 for 40x. But, in this OCCT screenshot I see you use PL1/PL2 300000 for 40x. Do you use it just only for the test?



Thks!

 

Hows the 7820hk compare to the 6820hk? I just ordered a new build from Dell and wondering if I should of waited for this refresh of processor????

 

I'm in the same boat. Ordered mine with the 6820hk and 1080. I see the 7820hk is available as of today but only with the 1070 gpu. I'm wondering how much more the price will be with the same build and 7820 rather than 6820. I think I'm leaning towards just leaving my order alone. Don't feel like waiting anymore for this thing. But would still be interested in opinions as far as waiting for the 7820 and 1080 combo.

 

Ya I would leave it alone for now. The performance difference is marginal at best. There are also several sites that have tested the desktop Kaby lake variants and they have shown that the temps between 6700K Skylake and 7700K Kabylake are much higher at the same clock speeds. Like a 12c-20c differece. Ouch!
We do not have data from mobile Kabylake 7820HK's yet to show if that is happening on mobile yet but I personally wouldn't give up a good 6820HK config with out knowing that for sure.
Especially since even the desktop benches are showing that there is almost no difference in performance. The real difference "MIGHT" come from how far the chips can overclock.
In theory, Kaby should be able to clock higher as they presumably been binned better, but again if the temps are much higher then you will hit the thermal ceiling faster.
You have 30 days to return so I would hold off on your decision until you see how the temps are.

 

Great advice deeX! Thanks for the reply. Yeah I think I'll leave it alone. This pc should easily do everything I need it to do the way it sits. Plus I'm sure the new configuration, when it finally is available, won't be at the same price I got, so there's that too. Just one of them things I am constantly debating over with myself since I'm spending so much already! Lol.

 

Helo fellas! Anyone know of a guide to replace the 17 r4 display? Step by Step.

 

What's going on at dell lol, prices shot up on all Alienware 17in laptops by $250 across the board except the AMD modle. The 1070 has the 7820HK but not the 1080. Strange things afoot.

 

17R3 - 1080 - only one panel available now? I may have missed it but when do we expect other panels to be avail? How are folks liking the QHD?


17.3 inch QHD (2560x1440) 120Hz TN Anti-Glare 400-nits NVIDIA G-SYNC Enabled w/Tobii Eye-tracking

 

I like the QHD a lot. The higher Rez with a 1080 was a perfect combo. Plus 120hz is amazing

 

Nice -- is your QHD the 400 nits one?


17.3 inch QHD (2560x1440) 120Hz TN Anti-Glare 400-nits NVIDIA G-SYNC Enabled w/Tobii Eye-tracking

 

Ya it is im dumb, I just checked my order and it says 400 in it so I'll edit that out of my post.

 

Thanks - ordered the assembly cable. I was about to try a 17r3 cable from ebay for $30.....

1 WTNR3 Assembly,Cable,Embedded Display Port,QHD,GSYNC,AW17R4 $9.99
Item Sub Total $9.99
Item Ship Charge $0.00
Item Tax $0.78
Item Total
$10.77

 

Did there used to be another panel option for the 1080? Like non Gsync? I have a 15R3 with 1080 FHD panel and it's quite poor in color repro, brightness etc... Would like to see the 17.3 QHD in person.

 

I have to seen the 1080 display so I can't say. The QHD is a really nice display. The 120 Hz and 1440 P resolution or a very nice combo. It doesn't have as high color accuracy as their 4K display. But since the 4K display only runs at 60 Hz plus 4K on a 1080 is a little bit much and also a little unnecessary at 17 inches. It would still be super nice but with the 120 hz 2K I would still choose that