*OFFICIAL* Alienware 17 R5 Owner's Lounge

I wonder if the next gen of gpu will be integrated into the 8tb gen cpu in this refresh chassis/cooling system or will they design a new one from scratch.
I suppose it's all speculation but the next gen of gpus will have more power right? Which means more heat? Unless they're more efficient... Either way, I just find it strange that this refresh was to accommodate the new cpu lineup which has literally just been released and it's struggling... I can't see any more 8th gen cpu being released so I guess that's it but that would be a short lived life for the 15r4 and 17r5 if the next gen of gpus needs a new chassis or design. ​

 

Alienware claims you go by average not the max. They trying to save face?

 

Got my exchange aw17 today. No broken pixels and Keyboard is ok this time.

Only activated CPU Performance Mode in the bios. Cinebench shows 1372p

No undervolt, no tweaking. Just out of the box

Edit: second run 1381p

 

You have the i9 GTX 1080? How are temps.

 

Yes, i9 and 1080. After 2 runs cinebench maxtemps are 84,79,88,81,85,78 4.3ghz the full time


After 2 runs Heaven Benchmark the average CPU speed is 4.4ghz, maxtemps 77,78,78,81,82,82 and max GPU temp is 65 degree with 192w Max.

Edit1: Bios is 1.0.6

Edit2: GPU ran a full Heaven cycle with 1.0v@2012mhz and [email protected] Not to Bad at all. My ,,old,, r5 instant crashed with [email protected]

Edit3: the new one has @stock much lower load voltage. 1.19 vs 1.28 @4.3ghz

 

that encouraging.

 

Yeah I think you cannot expect much better than that.

Even this thick Asus with a 4 heatpipe separated heatsink for the CPU alone cannot get decent temps with the i9

 

Nah... i have everthing for my LM Repaste next to me then i expect much better results.

 

You might have to go to Norway.

 

captn.ko are you going to re-paste it yourself? In addition instead of benchmarks try play farcry 5 for a while leaving hwinfo running at the background. Then check temps. This is the real deal, believe me.

 

Temps look at lot more promising though!

 

Install fc5 now

 

Thanks, let us know.

 

Wait! Do not open it , OC it, do not mess with Throttlestop or Intel's XTU. Take some proper measurements first and screenshots. Just run a game and get hwinfo to record in the background, you need the "graph" option to be able to see what happened because when you flip back to Windows many games are in fullscreen and stop, so as soon as you alt-tab to the desktop the temps go down. But if you have the graphs you can see what happened.

You need: CPU%, CPU temp (package), CPU power, PCH temp, GPU temp, GPU power, and maybe also SSD temps.

Here (again) is a screen shot from my AW17 R5 with i9 and 1080 just like yours while playing WoW at UHD and max settings. As you can see I have :

Fans: full max LOUD + Cooler master U3 Plus + 3 fans

On the left:

CPU% = 20% - hardly used

CPU temps = cooking at 95C and spikes over 100C​

CPU Power = 42W - TDP is 45W so we are also maxed even though % we are only at 20%
CPU Thermal Throttling = ALL THE TIME


On the right:
GPU temps = 75C - "comfortable"
GPU power =- 180 W - full

PCH temps = high 80s-90s (aka cooking)

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farcry 5 is the easiest game to try on as it is free (offered from AW) and causing the maximum temps/spikes.

 

i open it when i want to

thx, i know how to check my system

i dont like graphs, i prefer to use my OSD

TDP for 2,9ghz is 45w. with CPU performance mode the i9 can use 110w.

same cooler here, will post FC5 results asap.

first, TS is not a mess, ist a brilliant tool to get things done, the devs messed up. Second: with every new CPU i start to find the highest stable undervolt with stock clocks. Then i start to test. I dont see any sense to cook my CPU with settings i will never use...

 

was playing 30 minutes and started hw after this time.



4,3ghz and 2ghz@1,0v on the GTX 1080

 

Regarding what I have seen on mine these are really good results. What resolution did you run farcry 5 on?

Did they start fixing the thermals a bit? If you open it I really want to see if it is still the stock thermal paste. By the way LM may cause discoloration of the heatsink..

 

90mv lower core voltage for the chips means up to 10C decreased max temp.

 

Well if the CPU is stable it does not need more. Especially if this means acceptable temps.

 

I think the new CPU is much better. Bios version is the same.

@stock cinebench
Old one: 4.3ghz, 102w, 1.3v
New one: 4.3ghz, 82w, 1.19v

With -150mv
Old one: 4.3ghz, 89w
New one: 4.3ghz, 72w

 

Yes, but Intel lists it as TDP 45W, and based on that we cannot reasonably expect Dell to be accountable for removing more than 45W of heat from the CPU. On the other hand it is Dell's top gaming machine so you might be excused for believing that they would have designed and tested with > 45W long term.

"Do not mess with..." is an expression, like "don't play with" or "don't muck about" and so on, I did not mean that the object is actually a mess

You seem to have a working gaming laptop there then? Without opening it up or repasting it?

If the above is true, then congratulations! The question is, can it be controlled? Can you now lower fan noise by sacrificing some FPS? Can you do that from tuning the CPU/GPU accordingly?

 

is it me or are those temps are really good!! @captn.ko
Brings back a little faith to reorder! now just to debate an i7 vs i9 as it seems its just pot luck... unless they actually changed something

 

One additional info to my hwinfo screenshot: i have 28.5 degree in my Room... no AC

 

Sorry I think I missed something here. What do you mean by new CPU? Did they replace it or something or did you get another system? Is the new CPU undervolted then or not?

 

He mean his older undervolt and his new undervolt.

 

They didn't change anything, it's going to be pure luck if you order from Dell.

Your best bet is to order from HIDevolution and pay for LM on the CPU and GPU if you REALLY want/need the design of Alienware.

 

Yes i got a new r5 and its not only the possible undervolt (that is pretty much the same)... its the load voltage the cpu/mobo/system uses out of the box. That voltage is on the new System much lower

 

ok so i bought a 17 R5, paid for an hour ago, my wallet is significantly lighter!!

8950HK, 1080 gddr5x, 2K gsync panel 120hz, 16gb ram, 500gb pcie 2280, got it in black

it will be getting pch mod, thermal grizzly, fuji pads. it will be on one of these:

https://m.dhgate.com/product/laptop-cooler-pad-smart-portable-ultra-slim/400520544.html?f=bm|aff|cj|3640576#pd-104

i will post b4 and after temps.

edit: undervolt also

 

btw i got a 15% off code which i could not use (long story).

if you want to but a machine let me know i will give you the code

 

Again, LM is going to cause discoloration of heatsink. It is going to go from bronze to white. Do not ask me how I know this.. Is it made of aluminium?

Paulrs1975 can I have your discount code please? I may buy again if I see any workarounds regarding temps.

 

You can't stack the codes!
I already tried!

 

Sorry, I did not understand that. Could you please explain what you mean? I may want to order the Dell once again if it seems they have got the thermals correct this time?

 

My old i9 has 1.3v Load voltage @ 4.3ghz with ca 104w Power during cinebench.

The i9 in the new r5 has 1.19v load voltage @4.3ghz with ca.85w power during cinebench

I dont know why the new one has so much lower voltage... could be Silicon lottery, could be a change dell did.

 

Yes it cause discoloration, but your heatsink could be white/blue or red, it wouldn't change anything since the discoloration is only cosmetic.

 

captn.ko if this true, it is really interesting. At least they recognise the problem and doing something about it. If they cannot change their crap thermal paste at least reducing the voltage. If CPU is stable and without thermal or power limit throttle then it is ok for end user who cares for real life performance. My question is if it can really be overclocked (meaning overclock profiles in alienware command center)? Is the CPU still stable?

 

still stable

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/26861400?

4,6ghz, no drops. Just to try how far i can go with stock paste

 

This is great news for temps. My laptop will be here this friday, but I switched to i7 and 1070gtx oc. But saved 1700$

 

if you have a machine in your basket that u want to pay for yes i can send it.

the 15% code is available to anyone who wants to but a machine now not maybe or maybe not. i onlyhave one.

however, i have access to 12% discount vouchers all day for everyone who wants one.

 

have you undervolted? any thermal throttles?

 

In this Benchmark no thermal throttle. 4.6ghz all the time. But max temps in low 90s. I know this is not a daily driver setting. It was just a test.

Undervolt was -150mv.

Until i have repasted my daily setting is -100mv and locked 4ghz allcore. This results in high 70s to mid 80s CPU and ca. 65 degree GPU during Battlefield and FC5 gaming.

Ambiente temp is 26-27 degree and i use an Notebook cooler.


Be careful with xtu. Tested some higher undervolt yesterday. -200mv was instand freeze. After the reboot my notebook was freaking around. Hwinfo showed 2.8ghz idle and high 70s temps. Cinebench instant 100 degree at 800mhz. Heatsink was not getting warm. Realy crazy.
Bios defaults didnt help. I had to uninstall xtu to get my cpu working again... then hwinfo was working again too.

 

Yes I seem to remember XTU installs a device driver and it tries to apply the various settings during Windows load time. Just disable the device driver, no need to uninstall, again I seem to recall.

 

These are the choices I have been looking at recently:

1) Dell Alienware 17 with i9 and GTX 1080, UHD screen, 32GB RAM 500GB SSD and 1TB HD -- £2900 from Dell online special 15% offer !!!!

-- overheating CPU issues, peculiarly GPU is OK
-- "new" version from one user's testimony appears to be better?

2) Clevo P775TM1-G with i7-8700K and GTX 1080, UHD screen, 32GB RAM 500GB SSD and 1TB HD -- £2700 / £2650 from UK vendors

-- overheating CPU+GPU issues from various users,chassis too small to cope ?

3) Clevo P870TM1-G with i7-8700K and 2 * GTX 1080, UHD screen, 32GB RAM 500GB SSD and 1TB HD -- £4110 from EU vendors (does not exist in UK)

Ideally it seems the P870TM1-G is much better than the Dell because it has 8700K and 2 * GTX 1080 plus special cooling. I do not seem to have much feedback on it though. It is very expensive. The P775TM1-G was at a great price offering an i7-8700K to Dell's i9-8950HK - but testimonies of very loud fans, overheating, actually one or more vendors refuse to sell it (the i7-8700K and GTX 1080 and UHD combinaton).

The -15% deal on the Dell, especially if it's a new Dell, seems like a no brainer to me then?

 

captn.ko can you please make it clear if you got a new machine with stock undervolted CPU? Or did you undervolt yourself? I asked a Dell tech if the new CPUs are undervolted but he said he doubt it.

 

You cannot get a laptop from Dell that come undervolted, impossible, in any scenarios you could imagine, it can't happen.

@captn.ko undervolted probably using XTU or throttlestop.

 

Every silicon is different and need a different voltage to run.

My old i9 run 4.3ghz allcore boost with 1.3v out of the box.

The new one uses 1.19v ist of the box. I think its just better silicon and need lower voltage

 

Something is very wrong with the FS physics score. Oc'd 4.6GHz and barely 18800 in FS physics ain't correct for that clock speed. Not even for stock clocks.



Stock clocks (4.3GHz all 6 cores in FS physics).

 

This is real 4.6GHz on all 6 cores...


Your 4.6GHz FS physics in comparison... https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/15632797/fs/15636992#

 

Dont know... what is your RAM speed? I have only 2400mhz

 

i think the best way to take more heat apart from repasting and fuji pads and pch shims AND cooling pads!!!!!

is to use an egpu!

significantly less heat for the pipes to deal with.