*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

i would rather use option two. As long as you make sure the pressure on videocard is not too high (very deep indents on the pads) it cannot flex. But buying fujipoli extreme in the right size, would bring you further.

 

I ordered the i7 9700 with the RTX 2070 and 512gb SSD Raid0, thanks!

 

Why use the more expencive 17w/mk pads when the better performing Alphacool 14w/mk pads cost less? What is better than save money and on top get better product? Put them down the toilet?

 

Anyone with a 3/22 packing slip (I know there are several of us) get their order status updated or moved past "confirmed?"

My 3/7, twice-delayed order has a packing slip of today with still zero movement. Delivery is 3/26-3/29. If it gets pushed into April, I'm gonna cancel and go somewhere else. Hoping I'm just getting paranoid, though - I'd like to have this system.

 

My packing slip showed a ship date of 3/17 (a Sunday), it actually shipped 3/18. The website updated with my shipping info before I got an email (by about an hour). I'd try not freak out too much. A couple thoughts, tomorrow is Saturday, you may not get a shipping notice till Monday if it does ship. Also, you can try order support chat to get a more detailed status, however, it seems that my luck with them is dependent on which agent I get.

 

So i did some testing and swapping with Thermal Paste the last few days, my return window for the machine is running out on monday. I'm really thinking about returning it and here's why.

Stock paste: Temps while gaming with BF5 and Division 2: CPU 85/90 spikes to 100 thermal Trottling. GPU max 75 / 80.
Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut: Temps while gaming with BF5 and Division 2: CPU 80 with spikes to 90 / 95 Thermal Throttling. GPU constant 72 / 74 max.
IC Graphite pads: Temps while gaming, big fail! Constant in the 100 region with the CPU and max 84 on the GPU. (What garbage.)
Gelid extreme: Temps while gaming with BF5 and Division 2: CPU 80 with spikes to 90 / 95 Thermal Throttling. GPU max 70 / 72.
Temps with a undervolt on both the Gelid extreme and Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut with a undervolt of -0,100 applied. Temps stable for the CPU on 80 / 85 max.

I did the dot method, cross method, spread method. Temps we're all the same with the different pastes.

All these settings applied, the machine does stay @ 4,7 clockspeed all the time, even with the throttling. Temps spike from 95 to 80 instant on cores while heavy gaming.

While the new paste did help, the machine throttles like hell with demanding games, if i'm playing Heroes of the Storm, no problem whatsoever. Temp are 70 max CPU and GPU even 48 / 50.
But now why i'm thinking about returning it. For a machine @ this price point, it should come without throttling out of the box. I do however see people here that have stable temps out of the box. Seems to me i lost the Silicon lottery big time!

So maybe return and reorder? Or wait a few months for a good discount. I have no idea, i do love the machine. It looks good, idle temps look great and the machine is really quiet. But somethings telling me that @ this pricepoint it should come stock with no overheating. Am i being to nitpicky?

 

80-85C seem's like reasonable temps on a 4.7GHZ 8 core / 16 thread Desktop grade CPU. Honnestly if you wanted lower temps you should have gone with the 9700k .

Have you tried different voltage settings?
I can do 5ghz @ 1.24V with -100mv undervolt on my unit.
So you can probably lower your voltage and still be stable.

Also are you running performance fan profile?

 

I don’t run on high settings because to me it looks almost the same as long as you have TSA and textures on high, everything else on low. I get about 200 FPS on average, depending on the area.

 

So i am being nitpicky it seems, i only did a -100mv undervolt with the intel extreme utility tbh. Didn't use throttlestop etc. I am a noob with those kind of things and don't want to break it. Can you post your settings? Maybe i can copy them and look how far i can go.

Those temps are with the fans up to max, full speed.

 

I need a carrier in Apex Legends . ... add me CrayCray2K19

 

Pls define what you think Thermal throttling is ... what you write is the exact opposite

 

For day to day usage i'm just using Alienware CC
There is no point in running XTU or TS when not doing benchmark.
Also i find Performance to give me about the same thermal as Max speed.

Start off @ clock speed of 4.7 and slowly lower the voltage. Untill you find the stable limit and you should be able to lower your temps quite a lot.

CPU


GPU

 

Yeah i know thats confusing, HW info monitor says the temps go all in the red and all the cores thermal throttle it does say. Maybe the clockspeed does reduce a bit but its only 100mhz or so and goes right back up. In AW command it says for example 4,69 / 4,67.

 

@Rocktaze this is what i’m getting now. Wow what a difference with those settings. Clock speed however stays @ 4,69 reckon i need to put the machine in performance mode in the bios.

 

It show 4.7 because core 1-6 clock @ 5Ghz and 7-8 clock @ 4.7Ghz.
If you put the clock @ 4.7 instead of 5 you could probably go with lower voltage and get even better temps

 

When it comes to undervolting using XTU, you can keep lowering your undervolt 5mV to 10mV at a time then running benchmarks until you get a noticeable drop in max temps or a BSOD. If you get a BSOD, your computer will reboot and XTU will revert to default settings. At this point back up the undervolt by 5 - 10mV and test again. Try running this way, if you encounter another BSOD at any time, XTU will revert to default again and you can back it up another 5mV. Continue this way until things run stable (no BSOD basically).

For example, you already made it to -100mv. so you can try -110mV next, followed by -120mV, then -130mV,etc. Lets say you get a noticeable temp drop at -130mV. You can stay here, or you can try pushing it a little more. If you decide to push, go -135mV then -140mV then -145mv, etc. If you get BSOD at -150mV, then try -140 or -145mV, then continue to back down by -5mV until things are stable.

Some people find -120mV to be the sweet spot, others find -150mV. Your system will not necessarily find it's optimal undervolt at the same spot as a similar spec'd machine.

 

How do you see your packing slip? everytime I click on it, it asks for a customer number. The only customer number I see on my profile, once entered gives a "please enter a valid customer number"

 

This might not be the exact spot to ask this but I am certain one of you guys might be knowledgeable about my question.
So in my burned down area 51M I had a 4TB 860 EVO (as a secondary D drive), and a 1TB 970 Pro (as Primary OS C drive).
It seems like nothing has happened to the 970 pro (my Alienware 13 R3, could read it without issues, although I will still diagnose it with the Samsung tool when my new laptop arrives).
And my 860 Evo was inaccessible, only with recovery software. Even after proper formatting now only 1.6 TB is available. I sent it back as it was 30 days within purchase and I got a full refund.

Now I need a new drive that is at least 2TB. Speed isn't important, but reliability is. I will go with SSD's again, because they are more reliable than HDD's. Once again, I don't know if I drew the short straw with that 860 evo, or if it was because it's less reliable against e.g. sudden power outages or power surges. I also don't know if I got lucky with the 970 Pro.
Nonetheless, what could you guys advise me to get? These are the options I'm considering, feel free to suggest other stuff, as long as it is preferably below 800€ (it can be internal or external. Can be m.2, 2.5 inch. But not larger then 2.5 inch if it's external)
- Samsung T5 2TB
- Samsung X5 2TB
- Samsung 860 Evo 4TB / 2TB
- Samsung 860 Pro 2TB
- Samsung 970 Evo 2TB
- Samsung 970 EvoPlus 2TB

Once again, I don't mind paying up to 800, as long as it has more Robustness, and reliability compared to the cheaper products.
But if you guys say, that I got unlucky and that it doesn't matter, I do have a slight preference towards the 4TB drive again, but it's not mandatory.
My data is 2.5TB. But I'm certain that I can reduce it to below 2TB.

 

My packing slip now has a ship date of the 24th (Sunday?) I think we all should wait till Monday evening to see a change in our orders. But If nothing happens at all by Thursday ill just cancel and go for a blade 2060/2080 then. My inital charge of 3400.00 for the laptop came back Tuesday so its been hard waiting for this damn machine. So tempted to buy something else, been waiting since 3/13 :/

 

You have to log in to your account, then you can view your packing slip.

 

Are you seriously comparing a razer blade to the Area-51m? (I had to make sure I wasn't in the m15 forum)
You need to be more patient, I ordered on 3/8 and received my 51m on 3/19.

 

Ah no, I'm definitely not comparing the two. But I have been thinking of going with a thin and light system as these days pass by. This is my first time buying something from Dell directly, didn't think it would take this long haha

 

Ok, that makes more sense. I ordered an m15 1/31 (delivered 2/21), that was my first time buying for myself personally from dell directly. Keep in mind these aren't prebuilt laptops. First they are queued to be assembled in Asia and they perform basic QC once complete. Then when enough are ready to send at once, they send them to their distribution centers where they are supposed to undergo more QC. Then they are shipped to you.

 

I'm running 860 EVO in over 20 machines, home and work and I have yet to see one fail. I have a 2TB as second disk in my 51M.

 

IMO, I'm enjoying this 51m so much more than the m15. I thought I wanted a thin and light, I was used to using my laptop all over the place for years, but this suits my needs perfectly so far. It is so much more powerful than the thin and light crowd, so much. For me, it boils down to what do you want more, the most powerful laptop in the world or something that's more portable with good battery life that you don't need 2 power supplies to work at full performance. 51m isn't even as thick as other so-called "desktop replacements".

 

Dude I am currently typing this on a Razer Blade 2019 2060, the thermals are ridiculous to keep down. Don't bother if that's one of the reasons why you considered the 51m, I know I did. Just playing overwatch on medium settings1920x1080, 98-100c CPU. Tornado fans...

 

I found it. I was using an order number from my first order that was canceled due to some fraud protection thing. My packing slip shows a ship date of 3/26. My delivery times originally showed 3/25-3/28 and the Dell rep a couple of days ago told me it will deliver the 28th. Seems like 2 day shipping, I had Express.

 

Update: I stand corrected on some prior statements made here. The only hindrance on this system is a locked BIOS. The rest, such as the PSU design is due to regulatory concerns. The OC potential. can be quite significant with the right tuning, as pointed out by some owners of this system.

Take their word for it. They can back it up.

 

So damn happy with this thing! It's the size of a 15 inch laptop, it's dead silent when doing browsing or work and the thing lasts a good 3 and a half hours with low brightness.

I did a fresh windows install and everything is much better, I had some trouble with the internet but after installing the killer driver from their website if fixed everything. The one that Installed with windows messed everything up for me.

 

Then go for a SATA-based M.2 SSD of the desired capacity IF reliability matters more to you than the absolute best performance.
This is what I'd recommend: Samsung 860 EVO 2TB M.2 SATA Internal SSD (MZ-N6E2T0BW)

NVMe SSDs run considerably warmer under load, and with cheaper NVMe SSDs (Plextor?) you may run into issues with reliable throughput under load due to throttling.
For that reason, I cannot recommend most of them for these desirous of absolute reliability under sustained load.

If budget is not a concern, then go for a solid NVMe SSD such as the 970 Evo 2 TB. It's worth the money.

 

A truly sharp and hot "Razor" you've got there.
Hope it doesn't raze itself to a premature death. These thermals don't look too good.
Which reminds me of this review by @OWNORDISOWN



How long do you expect such a poorly cooled laptop to last?

 

Has Azor or Umar been out and confirmed this statement yet again? Please enlighten me where you got that info. I can't find it. Only this https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/18807295/fs/18496076

 

Ah, I see..@Prema's 2x GTX 1080s in SLI vs @Captn.ko's 1x RTX 2080...OK...maybe revise the statement to "most powerful laptop in the world with an RTX 2080"? But then again...there's that Eurocom X7C, and HiDev has something of its own...hmmm....

[email protected] had the higher max turbo core clock....just sayin"!

No disputing that Clevo got things right on the PSU side of things though....

 

Does it matter? Still wrong. Here is with an RTX 2080
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/18807295/fs/18696209

Higher Turbo clock speed should mirror the physics score. High boost doesn't matter if the Cpu scores is worse.

 

Ahh SLI, great for benchmarks and a total toss up for games.

 

You're building quite a rep for being a bit of a negative troll. Can I ask, do you own the A51m?

 

Calling out factitious figures is trolling?

My response is irrelevant. Baiting isn't dialogue.

Brother @Papusan (and others) keep dropping facts that you could engage with but instead, you single out a thread to respond to as bait?

 

In all games? https://www.game-debate.com/gpu/ind...pare=geforce-rtx-2080-vs-geforce-gtx-1080-sli

I expect many who go for Sli know the limitations.

 

What is wrong with the Blade I’m considering both 51m for performance or Oled Blade (once released) for portability factor, both has similar risk, burning mobo

 

For me the a51m is the perfect mix of Design, Power and mobility ... are there faster Clevos out there? Hell Yeah! Are they ugly? Hell Yeah!

Everyone can get what they want... the pure overclocker and enthusiast will be happy with clevo... I wasnt . Power is not all.

And this

Is just wrong.

 

I would certainly hope so, otherwise you can re-post that money down the toilet picture...

 

Is Dave2D wrong?



I understand that configurations can vary, and indeed, his observation(s) based on the single review unit he had access to may not reflect the experience of every build variant out there.

 

From Notebookcheck's review



Of course graphics performance will be worse the hotter the cards run. Turing and Pascal cards behave the same. Whatever you have a AW or other brands models.

 

That's....concerning.

 

I don't know why fan profiles that change power profiles is concerning. I don't remember the last time I had a laptop that didn't do that. It's nice when you want to use your computer in public, but of course you can do the same thing with third party utilities...

 

Looks so... (disvsion 2)


Bye one and make your own experience...

 

Anytime you're dealing with superlatives, every qualified statement matters.

That being said, I was more in agreement with you than not, and found myself searching for some convoluted way to qualify the statement so that it held true...and as I showed, doing so was quite the reach. And define what is meant by "powerful"...?? Depending upon what your answer is, Dell might have a leg, albeit a shaky one, to stand on.

I was one of the many who were taken aback by the claims Dell made about the A51M right out of the box, being the owner of a Sager 9860 that had upgradeable components at the turn of the century, nevermind 19 years into it...

 

Don't expect same with an average chips. You paid for a binned one. Doesn't come for free. You even paid for the cpu coming in that laptop as well (which you must have as a reserve). + you still have the silicon lottery for the gpu. There is several ways to see it

 

What discounts are available on the Alienware 51m buying from Dell direct beyond the current 17% discount? I am also a student.