*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

Does anyone have a part number to get the right laptop side cable or adaptor? The pictures of the Eurocom adaptor that I have found show four female sockets and not the one central pin that is needed.

On using it with Area-51m, I would think a clever Y-connector could solve that.

Homer

 

Yeah hacking the eurocom 780W to work the the a51m would be sweet! Just a matter of time hopefully

 

The problem with Dell's very tiny single pin is that it can only carry so much voltage across it. A true 330W PSU should be able to run up to 440W Max. With 330 being RMS Watts respectfully. Not really sure that's the case as no real way to push that theory.

 

Does anyone know if this ram is any good or not?
Ballistix Sport LT 32GB (2x 16GB) 2666 MT/S 260-Pin DDR4 SDRAM SODIMM (PC4-21300) Memory Module, CL16, Unbuffered, Dual Ranked x8, 2048M x 64, Non-ECC, 1.2V

 

better these: Kingston HyperX Impact (HX426S15IB2K2/32) 2x16Gb, 2666MHz, DDR4, CL15, SO-DIMM

 

I have messaged Eurocom and asked if their 780W has actually been tested on an AW A51M. If they say no, we can assume it will not work properly.

Unfortunately a Y connector does not exist on 7.4mm barrels with a center pin.

 

Thank you, can you tell me why this one is better, so I can learn?

 

cas latency, often abbreviated as CL, in this case the hyperx have lower latencies for the same frequency if compared with the ballistix, also the warranty with kingston should be better

 

Still disappointed there's no sub. I used my M18x yesterday and forgot how nice everything sounds with a little bass.

I have asked them awhile ago for:

Power limit increase (1.3.0 kinda did this)
Current limit increase (doesn't seem to have been really improved much if at all in 1.3.0)
2666Mhz+ RAM Support (Apparently being "looked at")
RAM timings/XMP support (Ernie said he forwarded this request and will see if they can add it in AWCC)
Increased GPU TDP (200w 2080 was done, 2070 was being "looked at")
Increased power for single 330w (Frank said he'll see if this is a possibility)

It's been awhile and we barely have gotten anything, but to honest I'm sure the whole burning issue has probably shifted things over.

I also haven't received any update on my thunderbolt issue although they've talked to me a few times. I had an issue where my Apple Thunderbolt Display didn't work with my P870DM, a TB firmware update + changing BIOS option DDT to mDP --> DDT to TBT fixed it but AW doesn't have that option.

I don't think much is required to do most of those things listed above.

 

Have you asked why RAM timings/XMP support has to be added into AWCC and not in Bios? This beacuse they try put all types power settings in an software App?

 

What kind of power limit increase did you ask for?

2666 or higher needs to be programmed then saved to bios. Not counting the other settings that need to be adjusted.

XMP will more than likely cause more problems that it's worth.

Yes, they did not want to be behind Asus.

We shall see.

And they would at the very least need to change that setting to DDT to TBT and at the very most, give access to it. That one is actually simple.

 

Of course I did.

Let me check my phone...

"Currently all overclocking is allowed through Command Center the reason being we have fail safe features installed that will approve your overclocks functionality or will deny the overclock before it fails."

This reply was more towards my original request of allowing us to overclock in BIOS (undervolt, oc, frequency, etc.) I asked about RAM overclocking after this and he said he forwarded my request to Joe.

I know right? It's such a simple request yet they're trying to figure out my issue even though I already told them what needs to be done!

Regarding the power limit thing, I told them OC Lv3 needs increased power limits to sustain proper clock speeds. They assumed TDP for some reason but I replied back saying Current VR limit.

They ended up increasing the limit from 150W to 210W across the board. It was better than nothing I guess.

BTW were you able to determine if the BIOS is completely secured (Boot Guard) with your Area-51m?

 

That is actually not better than nothing since XTU can already do that. The A51M bios is not as locked down as everyone seems to think it is.
It's 5 settings that can control the voltage curve.
Voltage or Offset Voltage
VR Current Limit
TDC Current Voltage
TDC Current Limit.
AC/DC
If TDC and VR current are set to a high enough value, then XTU can handle the rest.

And people can quit saying the A51M is fully locked. It's not even close to be fully locked if it were XTU would not be able to change anything. And that goes for TS either. Both can be locked out.

The only voltage that can not be changed on any machine so far is the 1.260 to 1.30V (Depending on manufacturer) max voltage under load. Not talking about trying to trick the voltage into thinking it's something other than what it really is.

 

Yay she shipped.

 

Are you able to change the RAM speed or timings in XTU? I am not able to, and I'm not talking about passing the 2400mhz speed.

VR Current is not enough imo for 9900K otherwise we'd see better CB/3DM Physics scores at 5.2/5.3Ghz+

 

Which one did you order?

 

Black
9900k
2080
32gb ram..

Pretty much it.

ordered March 11.

 

Sweet, mine is coming Tuesday but in white with 64GB.
We ordered some beauties!

 

I have to ask, exactly what laptop have you seen benching cinebench anything at 5.3 ghz? heck, most desktops can't even do that with aftermarket heat sinks.

No you can not change the 2400 by any other means other than Bclk. Which is probably one of those things that are actually locked in the A51M

 

So I asked if Eurocom tested the 780W adapter and they said yes:

 

So apart from the slight low resolution (IMHO) it seems to be a good system and a worthy replacement off the R line ? Been lurking the forum around and people seem content, despite the small Q&A issues that we can expected from a new line/AW laptop.

I've not been convinced yet ! (Would like to see how the 2080 handles 2560x1440 gsync)
But it looks like gen 2 is going to be my next upgrade. Some opionions ?

 

Can you paste link please

 

so that hyperlink in your email says it's 475 bucks for that Eurocom power brick... i'm fine with sticking with the 2 power bricks. lol.

 

$475?!?!

Lmfao

 

No, there should be no reason to not purchase it other than this issue with the gpu that they are trying to pass off as a motherboard issue. The motherboard issues belong in their own category. More so bios settings. and 1080P 120hz to 144hz to now 240hz for whatever games can take advantage of it, seems to be the thing of the norm from what i'm told.

3k might be a hard sale at G-Sync. We can only hope that it happens in the future.

 

Want to be the first?
http://www.eurocom.com/configure(2,404,0)ec

Its 2.5x the capacity of a 330W OEM adapter and 2.5X the price

Have to remember, this thing is not mass produced either. Kind of a cool piece of tech, but not really necessary for most poeple.

 

I'm very impressed with Alienware 51m my issue isn't the price it's the mixed thermal reviews out there that is holding me back. Linus Tech Tips review indicated that the laptop would get up to 100c and the fans for prolonged gaming would be considerably loud like any other gaming laptop. Performance is awesome but it just feels like this generations hasn't made that leap yet for me to shell out the big bucks. I can definitely survive with the gtx1070 for another couple of years it seems or at least until we see some price drops. 70s and 80s isn't that bad when no undervolting tricks, vsync not used, and turbo boost isn't disabled...all of which I have to do just to keep my gl702 around 70c. I just wonder if I am gaming at ultra settings, with vsync on, I wonder what the temps will be on the Alienware 51m in most games. Unlike other people I don't need more than 60fps constant to have a good gaming experience. I just don't feel over 60fps is necessary and puts unneeded load on the cpu needlessly raising temps. Just my personal opinion. Do love the 8 core option with a 2080 though and still mulling this over. Wish I had some concrete thermal data when gaming with vsync on though.

 

have a look at my channel last 10-12 vids displaying my clock speeds, temps , this is real world usage plus streaming at same time.

im very happy with my a51m

https://www.youtube.com/user/ButtonsandStick/videos

btw if you go for the 60hz screen your graphic card temps with vsync on would be lower

hope that helps

 

My fans are barely Audible. But I have the system set to 4.6 GHz @ .950V and GPU is 1725MHz @ .8V for a very cool and quiet gaming laptop. Temps stay around 75C in long gaming sessions with the "Quiet" fan profile.

 

At $400 I'd heavily consider it... but for near half a grand I just can't justify the cost. Also, I feel like it's one Dell firmware update or BIOS update away from not working ever again and being a $500 paperweight. Also, just because it was "tested" doesn't mean it's not causing some kind of harm to the laptop itself. Too many questions, IMO, unless I'm missing something. Seems like a quality product from the pictures, at least.

 

Weren't you able to do 5.3Ghz on CB15?

I should have said 5.1/5.2Ghz. 5.2Ghz scores low due to VR Current limit. Even my 5.1Ghz runs into VR Current limit depending on the workload.

So far 5.0Ghz is perfect without any limit reasons for me.

I believe @captn.ko has done 5.1Ghz or 5.2Ghz CB15

and @iunlock has done 5.1 or 5.2Ghz on 3DM FS

Not sure if their scores correlate to a proper desktop 9900K I don't remember

I still have to call BS. I wonder how they get around the single PSU issue. Remove center pin?

 

actually the center tiny pin (which i really hate) is only used to carry the identification signal only. the real voltage/current carrying conductors are the big cylindrical metal plug that surrrounds the center pin. inner metal is the positive, outer metal which you can see is negative polarity so there is definately no issues with voltage/current carrying capability.

 

Yup my Fire Strike runs are at 5.2GHz and with Physics in the 27K's ... I've got 5.3GHz to post, but still work in progress. I didn't have high expectations for 53x, but if it works for some benches, cool...if not oh well.

5.2GHz is really stable so far... gaming, benching etc... I mean there are a few nights where I would game for a long while, then go onto benching without any issues so that's pretty stable for me. Sure if I ran AIDA and/or some crazy unrealistic benches, then yea maybe it'll tip it over the edge at 52x, but in the real world I wouldn't be running it at those clocks anyway so if I can get away with it being stable with benching I'm happy with that.

I just find it impressive that it's even able to do what it can do so far...

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I am able to bench in some benchmarks at 5.3 Ghz, but it's not always beneficial to do so. I'm not into the whole bragging bit about how high ones clocks can go. It's how efficient one can be at certain clock speeds. This seems to be based off a few factors and revisions.

That was Dells explanation for why they wouldn't allow the AW18 to run like the M18X/M18XR2. Which was pretty silly.

 

Anyone having issues with tobii connecting? I'm getting the error 0x101 in tobii experience, and my status is not connected in the tobii dashboard.

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There was a whole discussion on the PSU on the AW17R5 (and maybe other) forums : there is a central identification pin carrying a connection to an NVRAM (?) IC inside the PSU, containing codes that the BIOS reads and thus identifies the PSU. If you remove this pin then the BIOS knows it is another (or broken) PSU and am not sure how it then behaves.

 

The pin would not really be the problem. Its more likely the ec that regulates the power draw from each psu. My M18X R1 nor R2 had a problem with using a single psu or dual psu in parallel. Although sometimes it would get confussed and you would have to unplug 1 or both and then plug them back in and the ic would register and work fine. Maybe that little glich is why they scrapped it. Who knows.

Only talking about combing two dell 300 or 330 watt psus and 1 barrel in the A51M.

Going to check that out next week and see what happens.

More than likely the ec cancels it out....


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Crucial(2018), Kingston,Corsair Vengeance,Gskill ripjaws etc.. all have switched to Samsung B Die and OC's similarly. If your BIOS has support for overclocking then anything will be fine. Check the manufacturing date Late 2017 and early 2018 use B die.

 

So they change the 1-wire protocol, and make all previous adapters redundent? Unlikely.

If you really want to understand Dell's PSU identifying chip, here:

https://hackaday.com/2014/03/03/hacking-dell-laptop-charger-identification/

Me.

 

700th page.

EDIT: dang it

 

I had the same issue, do the troubleshoot from tobii and send them the report. I had a anwser in 1 day with the drivers to make it work. I can't find it anymore but it was on the dell 51m driver page. Fixed everything for me when i had this error.

Found it, this one fixed mine
https://www.dell.com/support/home/u...wt64a&productcode=alienware-17-area51m-laptop

 

That, just another marketing stunt.
They also advertise the 780W with Clevo systems limited by EC to below 330W...
Truth is, with the end of the P870 series there is no system (with stock EC) left to even utilize that supply beyond a default single one.

 

thats there cinebench results 1887 @4.26 in video

they complained they were pegging 100c, gladly thats not how my machine behaves.

i have a balanced profile 5ghz , 2k on my 2080 temps that i believe are well within spec with no thermal throttling.

i have been fine tuning finding the sweet spot for a 24/7 oc.

 

Yes CBr15 5.1ghz @2227 points. 5 2ghz possible with ac or window mode. Havent done 5.2 due to ambient temps atm.

Firestrike 5.2ghz

 

I would like to see a log of this setting in an Power demanding Game like Metro or Division. With 99% load steady 2000mhz is , lets say, difficult.

Game Start-> warm up -> reset hwinfo -> play.

Average should be at 2000mhz then. If your 2080 is able to maintain 2000mhz @200w then you have a great sample. I expect 1850mhz in Metro / division average.

 

Well, I took my laptop with me on a work trip for the first time last week (and going to again this coming week). A few notes from the trip:
1. Had a 3 hour layover in Chicago due to a delay, it was so nice being able to game for a couple of hours and have time fly by.
2. The laptop in the 51m backpack just barely fit underneath the seat in front of me (aisle) on one of the planes and would not fit on another so had to look like a d-bag and put both my carry on and backpack in the overhead storage. This is only an issue with aisle seats as they typically have a bar/separator by your left foot.
3. On a smaller regional flight where I had to gate check my carry on, I placed the backpack in the overhead storage. It was a tight fit on these smaller flights, but still works.
4. The backpack is able to slip over your carry on handle which is nice, as it does get heavy after a while.

Anyways, just my observations for those of us who travel a lot for work (I feel like I live at the airport sometimes).

 

Hello there from Shanghai, fellow 'transit lounger'.

It is for people like us I believe DTR was invented for.

For we simply cannot have a Desktop computer with us, and why should we be left out in the cold with regards to performance?

Whilst it lived, I alway stuck my AW18 in the overhead. Once I had to open my M18xR2 on a flight to Venezuela to get the contact details of my driver, which had a number of smiles opening something so BiG in economy. Long-gone are the days of Business Class, unless there is no other seat, or I pay the fare difference myself, which I sometimes do. The worse the airline, the worse the economy will be, and the cheaper the Business Class likely is, so the more likely it is I will pay. I use my old M18xR2 Alienware bag - inside of a small Samsonite, for extra cushioning / protection. That wouldn't go in the overhead of one of those USA puddle-hoppers I expect though. Nice to hear the 51-m fits.

Using a borrowed XPS15 whilst my 51m (so late) arrives. Gaming on this is painful, and after 40 mins of searching, no COD lobby was found today. Seems like China is blocking more and more... and I've another month to go...oh well its not like I don't have anything else to do, I guess... forced me to spend more time at the gime:

 

All the "blowing up in smoke" issues aside (I believe Dell will be able to fix them for sure), does anyone here have any idea whether we'll be able to buy screen upgrades from Dell or any third party? I am looking for a 1440p high refresh rate display for this machine but since it is not available right now, I am buying with the current 1080p one. I'd like to be certain whether I'll be able to upgrade the display in the future or not. If it's not an option for DIY guys, then may be I'd like to wait it out instead of buying a 1080p panel and getting stuck with it.

 

Ok so I have been playing around with my 9700k and 2070 for a bit and checked the watts used buy the 180w power supply and it is going a little over 200w for some reason. It gets hot but not that concerned about a fire or anything. Anyone else checked this. I also did a few benchmarks for an hour or so and find the 240w brick does not get hot at all. Kind of weird. I bet if I had a 330w it would run just fine.

One more thing. Anyone check what there battery wear was. Mine is at 5%.

 

who knows what a 9900k can do with stepping r0 inside area-51m