*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

I know that most user on here don’t like the fact that it comes with different heatsink depending on the configuration that they will get when they order the laptop.

For us Alienware fanboy , including me , we are used to it. Different gpu have different TDP , and it dated back to the M17X days.

It wouldn’t be fun on the upgrading path if everything is already laid out for us. We have to do extra work to locate parts , with trial and error to make it fun. We have to get advises from fellow members regarding upgrading. It’s just fun to research and upgrade on your own ....

From a business point of view , they have to make money ... from us lol

 

Yeah, but new times now. Forced to buy the graphics from Del due proprietary graphics design, forced to use aka buying their *special* thermal paste if you upgrade Cpu and want keep your warranty intact. They certainly want or prefer that you same time buy the cpu there as well. Fully package And New heatsink on top.

 

True , but every vendor is doing it. Everyone seems to come up with their own format. Like clevo with their weird shape gpu wtih power connector that can only be used in their laptops, MSI got their vrams reversed that can only be used in their laptop, and would have to buy new heatsink , even some with or without power connector , and 3 or more same gpu that had different TDP... if you look at it , it’s pretty much a fair game. Everyone wants a piece of that extra pie ... it’s bad for us I agree.

The bad thing for us enthusiasts is that selections are limited, so we go where it makes us comfortable.

The only thing left for 100% customization is going to desktop. But that’s a different category by itself.

 

I hope you'll forgive me but after reading your posts [for years I might add], I'm starting to wonder why you're still posting all these things over and over again? May be it's about time you left the laptop world and explored desktop "only" fully?
I hope you don't take my feedback in a negative way but what's the point of complaining about the same things over and over again? It can't be good for your health as well. We aren't getting any younger you know.

This is the direction the entire industry has moved on, posting repetitive stuff on the same forums is not going to change that fact. Which is the perfect laptop company which places it's "end user" opinion as its sole motivation? None! Which was the last perfect laptop you saw? It's was the AW M17X R2 and M15x R1 and the AW 18 (don't know which iteration because I didn't own one), wasn't it? I own both of these two aforementioned models and still have them till today and it's still working perfectly. I was waiting for AW to release a true desktop replacement and with the Area 51M, they have at least moved onto the right "enthusiast" direction. Why ruin it with endless negativity without even giving that product a chance?

Look at how quickly these threads have grown which clearly shows there is a lot of people looking and hoping that AW have returned to their roots in terms of performance. Their business "money making" decision is theirs. If at the end of the day a user feel he is getting his money's worth, what is the problem with that? We all have different opinions and that's ok. I hope you'll realise that fact.

If I can get a good LGA system with minimal thermal and power limits, then I will happily pay 4000$ for this system. If we are expecting the 9900k to run in a "beast" mode like it's desktop counterparts then it's downright delusional. You praise Clevos for their "true performance" but all I see is a ugly laptop and a utter waste of money. Opinions, right?

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers.





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the point is not to give in and compromise to junk. you're fine paying $4k with somewhat crippled performance, but that seems to be only in consumer hardware. will you be doing the same with everything you pay for in your life? computer system/hardware is one of the thing he can't accept to have it crippled, you're the opposite, thats it.

 

I'm sorry but you're completely missing the point. Answer me this, how is this laptop a "compromise to junk" ? Have you used it? Is it a "crippled" hardware? Same old phrases...all the time...

Just answer me this and I'll go back to reading the threads again without posting anything as usual.

Please stop with your hate mongering all the time.



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And let's not get carried away again please. It's great to have different opinions, otherwise the world would be boring. It's also great to respectfully share those opinions. When tempers start flaring however it's not so fun.

My fingers are crossed that it's a great performing machine. We need more options and having some great hardware can be really fun for benching/gaming/whatever.

 

not missing the point.

im calling it junk in the same context of you calling how 9900k running in beast mode within a laptop is delusional. we dont need it to be pointed out, it's common sense it will be inferior to desktop.

also, junk is 1 word instead of trying to describe all the details, so im being lazy.

edit: also calling it junk will soon turn to reality.. when amd 16 cores hits the market with similar or less TDP dayummmm

 

To put this in a simplest way , the Alienware Area-51M is not for everyone, but catered to all type of user with different budget.

Just be appreciative that Alienware has decided once again to offer a laptop that is not BGA.

I know I am grateful that they came out with this model. I have held on to M18X R2 since they discontinued it. I held off on their BGA models.

You can say it’s long over due for an “ upgradable “ Alienware laptop.

 

It's NOT going in the right direction. If you owned a M18xR2 you would know. That was the LAST great AW model. 2 upgradeable GPUs in SLI + fully unlocked CPU. You could go 4-4.5Ghz on all cores ALL DAY and never hit 90C on the CPU! You could put clevo cards in it, you could tweak the fans speeds manually, adjust the TDP/Voltage/Clocks via BIOS and software tools.

And what do we have now? This super fugly 17 machine with a single GPU and a desktop CPU that will overheat like crazy. How do I know? I've seen many great attempts in the last 8-10 years. But they all ended when Clevo and AW moved with the herd (where the money is) from the enthusiast sector to the "please them all" realm. Great for business - bad for enthusiasts. We are the dinosaurs going extinct...

 

I agree with most of your post and great write up, but the super fugly part? I have not heard many say that, I welcome the looks of it personally. But like they say about opinions, everyone has one.

 

Yeah IMO it's one of the best looking DTRs out there with those thin bezels and especially in white. To each their own I guess

 

beauty in the eye of the beholder

imo, its pretty ugly unless its full black, then it might look good. all white looks nasty tho

honestly, AW should go full out and give us a triple screen display laptop, especially with that thin bazel, then i might compromise.

 

I think they get it. You don't like the way it looks, or allegedly performs... why are you still repeating yourself here?

Please keep this thread for people who own, are interested in, or are specifically looking for advice on the system.

 

Sometimes people get confused, especially those who have no past experience with DTR's. It's like buying a racing car. You may love the look at first, but it's one thing to watch a preview teaser and get into the hype mode, and entirely different to ride this thing every day for a couple years. It's important for a potential buyer to understand all pro's and con's before pulling the trigger. So, negative feedback/opinion is just as valuable. Who knows, maybe I will buy one in the end (if it comes in Nebula Red) and mod the hell out of it. Or maybe not. But a one-sided "let's all talk positive" approach shouldn't always be encouraged here imo.

 

Sorry if it’s already answered or mentioned before, but is there any black color option? Didn’t find on dell website. I think I saw black one on some video and I find that’s great looking ...or it’s because of my eyes seeing black laptops every day

 

You can change color in LCD panel options and yes, that's true, there are 2 colors for sure.

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Just found the video here’s the picture...But on dell us only white on Germany site didn’t even find Area 51m.

 

Sure, posts like that can be helpful; especially in managing expectations. But constantly repeating them, and repeatedly voicing their opinion on how bad it looks is just annoying and comes off as trolling.

Speculation and debates should be kept in the pre-release thread bellow:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...laptop-to-replace-alienware-15-and-17.826796/

They call it "dark side of the moon" (Hopefully Pink Floyd doesn't sue). It is selected through Screen Selection

 

Let's me have a quick check and be back right away

Update: It's still there, please check the screen options carefully you will see it @Joikansai


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Found the display option but hmm no rtx card option? I’m still on dell US since Germany I don’t find it at all.

 

They all come with RTX ("Latest- Gen Graphics When Shipped" is how they word it, right under the option). Technically they could not list RTX for sale yet. This is how they get around it for pre-sale

 

I see, I’m chatting with dell now, waiting the answer, you’re faster

 

not at all. if full black it might be okay. but yes performance is a let down though you seem to dismissed two points i've made.

i'll continue to post though.

 

So Gtx 1070 means rtx 2070, and plus $450 1080 means rtx2080, do I get it rightly?

 

Yes, that is correct.

 

Hmm i aimed nebula Alienware for replacing my Qosmio x305, design and size wise would be nice if there’s any, and performance wise it’ll be my main pc beating my egpu core setting by a lot I believe, can’t wait to see here in Germany, hope there’s no huge price difference with US store...
Keep updating guys

 

Just ordered mine shows it will arrive on Feb 19
luner Black
i9 9900
RTX 2080
16gigs
256ssd+1t HHD
cheap screen 1080p 60hz. Dont know why you would want a better one everyone just uses and external moniter anyways right?
total price
3163 no tax.

 

Not me, I use internal more. 144hz display is nice.

Even with my P870DM3 7700K + 1080 SLI laptop I used internal display more because it was 2560x1440 120hz VS my 40" 4K 60hz display.

But I also move around a lot so that's probably why.

 

Alienware will replace the GTX 1070 with GTX 2070 and GTX 1080 with GTX 2080 during the build before shipping.

 

GPU wise the machine should be great. Not many [huge stretch] alternatives with upgradeable cards. But the CPU part is very disappointing. A 8750H 6c/12t @45w vs a 8700k @95W? Raw base performance difference isn't that big. Gaming performance is virtually identical. But the extra heat, especially if you hope to ever overclock it, will be very noticeable and may have carry over to the GPU part. I wish they offered a dual GPU in SLI/Xfire + mobile CPU instead. Even the fattest Clevo in the world struggled to cool down a 100W CPU in the past, sporting a separate massive heatsink with an enormous & loud fan. It's as if they hired new thermal engineers and those didn't even check the recent history of gaming laptops. Theoretical numbers you get from an online TDP calculator aren't enough. Have to do real world testing. People don't sit inside freezers, some have room temps of 85f and above, different air ventilation, dust buildup, factory TIM application, etc. All they have to do is check a few threads here and read reviews @ notebookcheck to understand the situation. If they can't cool down the 45W 8750H in m15, what can we expect here? Now, maybe I'm being too negative, but if history is of any indication, this is going to be another major letdown. And I'd really like to prove wrong here!

 

Gtx 2080 I like this name

You’re really super saiya

Can’t wait reviews to see performance difference between desktop and mobile gpu version, to make sure if this chart is right.

 

Feels like witchcraft or dell-craft which magically replaces GTX with RTX and also switch RAM speeds from 2400MHz to 2667MHz.
I think they indirectly mean Machine is still under Production and not ready for mass shipment and there will be considerable lead time to meet demands.

 

LOOL. +rep

Alienware 18 wasn't a perfect laptop. Total opposite! A disaster. What Azor did with last AW18 in history was in short cripple it fully (castrated - capped the balls)... Almost the same he now doing for Alienware Area-51M. Cut the power. Or better say cut the light.

I can turn on it... Have you used it? Can you with the hand on the heart guarantee that the hardware in this new model will perform the same way as Dell adverticed it with *High-end overclocking*? From what I know and heard... It won't be what you think.

For the records.... I have said this move to LGA is a huge and nice progress. BGA is the hardware for very small notebooks as etc tablets or sub 14 inch models. Not for DTR. But will it be enough? Nope, I don't think so. Within 2 weeks you will get the results.

 

Razer Blade 15 2019 rtx Update seemly (according gizmos) comes Intel xmp Technology up to 3200mhz Bandwidth, is 51m also has this?

 

What are you doing here? I thought you had no interest in the Area 51m? Did I perk your interest?

 

@Joikansai, if that's the case for XMP, I'm all in!

Also, I saw few topics on Reddit asking about how to upgrade the LCD panel in future. Certainly, they said they don't know. Personally, I think it's not that hard, but they probably can't answer such questions that might bring themselves troubles.

And, those PSUs are a huge let down. Area-51m might free us from bunky Clevo laptops by its smooth design, but guess what, 2 PSUs make it another form of bunky.

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Hah you , I’m looking for Qosmio Update, it became already my laptops stand

 

According to Intel anything over 2133MHz is XMP. Most BIOS supports XMP out the box but OEMs hide the RAM tweaking section to lock out overclocking and thereby prevent XMP to be functional.

 

That new razor is going to cook raw meat and not just eggs. You can cook a buffet of food out of it as this thing will get scorching hot. I would expect them to keep do the same as Alienware. I had the 15.6 razor for 2 weeks and gaming the laptop was unreasonably scolding hot at the top of keyboard.


I can’t believe your peaking some interest in Alienware! You are the spokesperson for razor 15.6!

 

Yes I can grill on my Blade 15 but I know how to make it refrigerator...kind of . Razer do before engineering, styling first so you can forget they do big laptop.
Btw because I’ve Blade 15 it doesn’t mean I’m their spoken person, they didn’t pay me anything they just gave me moderator badge somehow, because following @Vistar Shook he’s the only one I followed there and I’m still put my self newbie on avatar titles And this thread is for anyone who has interest on Area 51m, so I hope I’ve right to asking here.

 

We all can have a change of heart.

I can't speak for the RTX models but the 1070mq 15" ran about the same as the others like the MSI GS65 or the Aero 15x. So it kept things cool. I had one for a week and mine never got scolding hot. But mine didn't last long on battery when doing normal things like web browsing and watching videos. But, I think more than any other manufacture Razer you get alot more QC issues than others. Sad as they have the most eye catching looks and they actually help push innovation forward.

 

TDP is misleading. It's just power draw under base clocks, while both 8750H and 8700K rarely do real work at just base clocks. Keep in mind that even 8750H under load draws often way more than 45W, not even mentioning something like 8950H. My 8700K draws around 75-80W at 4.4Ghz on all cores.

 

No I’m not changing my heart I’ve already aimed m11x r3 and m14x r2 once for my Qosmio upgrade back in 2013 but it was hard to get in where I live. And I’m Laptops guy never use Desktop, only at work maybe it’s also because of work, this upgradeable concept I find great and meet my needs after almost two years hanging out with TB3 bandwidth . If there’s nebula red display option it’s for me an instant buy.


Yes laptops nowadays with more demanding apps etc out there come with a lot issues especially thin light like Blade, my old laptops that showed on my signature are working still great, on Xp and Vista lolol

 

Right now there is no mention of a Nebula Red. Even back when I bought my first Alienware 17 over 10 years ago I didn't buy it. It's a very eye catching color. Just not for me. And yet I'm getting a Lunar White Area 51m.

My Blade 14 still runs great actually. Half sad I'm selling it, but I don't use it anymore so it just needs a new home.

 

Yes, two is inconvenient. That is why the Eurocom 780W AC adapter was so awesome and well received. However, you can't have it both ways. Truly amazing performance requires robust hardware, not the least of which is the power supply. Some folks will be complaining about a single 330W AC adapter, and they shouldn't be expecting a high performance notebook to be able to function with less than that. It is totally unrealistic. What is not clear to anyone is why they are using two mismatched AC adapters. It will be interesting to find out, if we do, the reason for it.

 

It may just be as simple as that dual 240s would give you 480w, while a 330+180 gives you 510w. It doesn't seem like a big difference, but it could be enough of one to be significant.

 

If you call the top of the keyboard area not scorching, then I don’t know what you consider hot! I frequently visit Microsoft stores and each time I migrate to the razor because of how I love the form factor and the computers on display I can cook a piece of steak on it.

On the area 51m I will wait to see how the thermals are.

 

Looks like they finally released the backpack for the Area 51m. I like it.

I've talked to members about this in the past and I must have a high tolerance for heat. Unless it actually causes an actual burn on my hand I can't call it hot to the touch. And I cook my steaks on cast iron so if you wanna talk hot. . .that's hot.

I'll let ya know. I'm not sure who else is getting one from dell. Alot of the guys are getting them from HIDevolution so theirs will have upgraded thermal compound and thermal pads.

 

I think the issue for many is not how many watts it needs as much as fumbling around with twice the number of cords and that rat's nest. Dual 240W AC adapters is really no less inconvenient than dual 330W. There is not a remarkable difference in their size or weight, and the real negatives about dealing with two are still exactly the same. A single high capacity AC adapter is clearly the more elegant approach, even if the one higher capacity adapter is just a tiny bit larger.

I found these useful for reducing clutter with dual 330W AC adapters. Not perfect, but still an improvement.

Y-adapter: https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=102&cp_id=10228&cs_id=1022808&p_id=5309&seq=1&format=2
1-foot stubby: https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=102&cp_id=10228&cs_id=1022801&p_id=5277&seq=1&format=2

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