*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R2 Owner's Lounge

Yees, I know. And as always... You get it fresh from Poopy.

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Last Date Modified: 07/02/2020 02:16 AM

 

What Chinese benchmark? I mean people have been battling these reprehensible out of the box temps for years. This is nothing new, and certainly not an Expected and Unavoidable Feature of Gaming Notebooks. Still ROTFLing actually haha.

 

The saddest part is that they're so gone already, undervolting their machines ain't gonna do jack isht. They need to innovate like Alienware used to do ! But hey the customer is king ! (And stupid).

Ugh they never gonna learn that innovation will cost some $$$$ but that's something they don't want to hear. Let alone speak about it lol ( D(#)ell only uses the word innovation for marketing ). We'll see how it'll go with the R2. Having a feeling that this model will be short-lived (like the R4 that went from the 6th gen to the 7th gen and was quickly replaced by the R5 with the 8th gen)

 

Well we don't have 15 days to send it back for nothing , if it is a bad as what everyone thinks I'm sending it back and keep my area 51 R1

 

I have been using 2x330watt PSu's with my 51m's since that day I got them. One of them still gets much hotter than the other. It seem's to be the one plugged in closest to the center of the laptop nearest the AGA port. I have a Eurocom 780watt psu and of course it runs cool as a cucumber.

 

I think 200C should be the temp when system starts throttling for best AW experience.

 

Good choice.

Although the 51m did not completely deliver on the said promises, it's still a solid machine with solid performance (thermals are a different story) it is very steep step upwards from the older BGA filth models, but they're not their yet.

The R2 should have been an evolution, not de-evolution. They went the wrong direction and it seems that Azor still had "some" decision making going on. Still nothing from his replacement, and it's been more than a half year already. God knows what they're planning.

To me it looks like Dell is slowly consolidating AW to the G series bringing over more tech year by year and to slowly blow out the AW candle and use their IP inside of Dell while not having AW as a separate brand anymore.

That'll keep the costs down which equals to more $$$$

Edit: @Papusan Please save this comment, just in case Dell announces the death of AW.

With them you never know, they did it with EMC already..

 

Doesn't help much... Maybe some. But new changes in firmware and software will come later/afterwards.

Yees. Everything is better than BGA. Can't compete. Everything before Area was more as a Tripod and 100C tragedy. I hoped they wouldn't add in Area in the 100C novelle. But sure they did. This just show they don't listen on the enthusiasts fan-base.

If you have seen the Vapor Chamber for R5 you can easly see it.

 

Yeah, that could work. Alienware Io: The power of an alien vulcano at your fingertips! Alienware Spacesuit recommended for safe operation.

 

Huehuehue this should be a meme lol

 

Loool another one that's gold lol
"Now with the new and Improved nonexistent vapor chamber thermal solution which will give you the power of the sun at your fingertips"

 

One thing that those Alienware guys have been failing to comprehend though is that neither humans nor actual aliens can tolerate extreme heat that well

Alien 3 SPOILER!

 

I see you got one of those fancy new intel ****tylake 14nm +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ processors.


Nice.

 

@Melvin Rousseau Just told HIDevolution to edit my order and add the delid option

 

I have four DSLRs. I can use an SD card.

All of my other laptops (minus my Macbook Pro) have SD card lol

 

Yeah, they talk about content creators on the R2 website. Obviously the SD card reader was a nod in their direction, followed by a punch in the nose and the slashing of RAM capacity.

 

I'll take no SD card over my 4 RAM slots.

I can add a USB card reader but not USB so-dimm module reader

 

I can lend you the tool to do it yourself with the copper ihs .
On my desktop with a watercooling custom the i9 10900k was hitting 100 degrees constantly with an undervolt of 80 max anymore and it would crash .
Now I'm hitting max 70 degrees with cinebenchr20 and idle is 25 compared to 40.

I don't know if HID also has the copper option because for me just deliding with LM didn't change a lot it was really the copper ihs

 

I live in Dubai dude. Even if I had the tools, I'd rather have them do it. I've done it before but I have no patience to do this again.

 

Totally get it lol
What made you change your mind ?

 

After you asked me then @Papusan showed us how hot it runs, I figured I'd ask; so I asked their senior tech Vivian and she recommended it and told me it will reduce temps a lot so I figured why not.

 

Can you post the pics of the thermals if you have them ?

 

How can I have them and the laptop still didn't even start production? If you mean what I said about the post made by Papusan, this is what made me change my mind about de-lidding: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...r2-owners-lounge.832848/page-50#post-11030802

 

I think he meant HID's numbers from their testing. Not from your coming Dell-book As you say it looks like they already have the numbers.

 

@Spartan yes exactly what I meant since you were implying you had seen the thermals

 

You think HID sent him detailed evidence of improvement due to delidding? That would be a very special laptop sales experience indeed!

 

Yeah sure why not

 

Well, a couple of reasons:

1. Variability - even if they managed to achieve particular thermals on one occasion, there is no guarantee they would be able to reproduce the result in another laptop - plus then they would actually kind of have to try and achieve the advertised termals Potentially way more testing at the very least.
2. Reputational and possibly legal exposure as per above
3. No sign of such detailed info on their website, so unlikely to be their policy to share such information
4. Probably nobody else would do this - no competitive pressure

In summary, not much upside for them to share this. They can just offer a vague recommendation, and will bag the $5k sale all the same

 

All depends. One example of a few... Use the search. Either Google or NBR search
MSI GT75 TITAN 8RG-094

 

Wow, nice - now it's clearer where the questions were coming from. Still, apparently Donald is not there anymore, so
I guess the question is: did @Donald@zTecpc go above and beyond there, or is that common practice/policy at HID?

 

@Donald@zTecpc have always offered good services. Ask politely and you may get an answer.

 

That was a team effort pushed by me but a lot of HIDevolution and Notebookreview helping hands made it happen.

Expect the same, or better, from zTecpc

Zoltan is here too, and that helps a lot

However, zTecpc will not be carrying Alienware branded product.

 

Fair enough, not much worth carrying there at the moment, TBH., unless you want to specialise in luxury items.

Best of luck with the new enterprise!

 

Thank you!

 

This works just fine on the R1, I don't see the R2 being any different. I use regularly 1 x 330w and 1 x 240w at home and the 180w at work. I have used 2 x 330w but they are too bulky to carry 2 around.

 

Enjoy

Cool it! We talk laptop thermals with an expert from Dell
In part 2, North talks about one of the most controversial concerns about laptops: running the CPU up to 100 degrees Celsius. While many on the Internet believe this to be a design flaw, North explains why hitting 100 degrees and getting as close to the maximum thermal limit of the CPU is actually good. @Mr. Fox @jc_denton +++


Yeah, why should Dell's engineers follow Intel's own oc'ing engineers from the Intel lab....
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/features/inside-intels-secret-overclocking-lab/7

"At home, the lab engineers consider a load temperature above 80C to be a red alert, meaning that's the no-fly zone, but temps that remain steady in the mid-70’s are considered safe. The team also strongly recommends using adaptive voltage targets for overclocking and leaving C-States enabled. Not to mention using AVX offsets to keep temperatures in check during AVX-heavy workloads"

 

Yes throttling performance is always better.

 

Very nice. Dell's main themal engineers say Dell have 4 controllers to stop your hardeware from frying... They don't trust Intel, LOOL
How Dell cripple performance explained by....

 

Power leakage, degradation and shorter life expectancy is actually good... for selling you new systems or warranties.

 

I get what he's trying to say, obviously maximizing performance on boost. However if it throttles at 100'c then you never want it to hit that temp surely a max temp of 85 would make sense?

Additionally he compared it to car, but you wouldn't redline your engine all the time because it increases wear and this is the same thing.

 

Dell offer overclocking. No point in that if the hardware run 100C before you click on that oc' button. Dell tune for 100C. Have been like this since 2012. Period!

 

Most Xeons have a 85c temp limit, likely for stability purposes, since they need to remain operational for a long time under load. I would only accept +95c in a torture/stress test or when benching for absolute records. If you render a lot, I would tune the frequency accordingly to stay within the thermal budget, but keep frequency and PL2 as high as possible without fluctuation for best performance.

Running system at 100c is just inefficient, both in terms of longevity and power. But this is what thin and light gets you, and they can use the "we are the best in density" excuse all they want, anemic cooling is still anemic.

 

Ah, trusty Gordon of DellWorld to the rescue again! Should be good, but I'm not going to watch through that much BS. Is there a transcript?

OK, cracked and watched first 5 minutes. Pure marketing BS and complete waste of time.

 

Of course.. It’s Pcworld. Still nice getting confirmed that Dell’s main thermal engineers defending their 100C goal With this posts I hope all others now should stop put all overheating blame on Intel.

 

Ah, I was wrong, it gets better:

Gordon: All those years I've been wondering why on Earth does Dell continue to use toothpaste as thermal compound...

North: Haha, good one Gordon. TBH you're not far off, and the truth is: we save just about 20c per unit that way. It doesn't make sense.

Gordon: I see, well I'm sure Dell can do better than that..

North: I'm sorry, I can't really talk about that.

Gordon: OK, now, all the new thinner Alienware laptops have been suffering from severe thermal issues. Do you think Dell took things too far in an attempt to emulate Apple?

North: I agree, we have failed our customers who came to expect top performance and excellent thermal design. The pursuit of arbitrary weight targets meant we had to shrink essential components such as heatsinks, heat pipes and fans. As a consequence we suffered unprecedented volume of returns and service calls. Due to internal politics, nothing has been done so far to reverse this disastrous strategy.

Gordon: Fascinating. Well, thank you very much for being so forthcoming. This is quite unexpected, I hope our viewers have found find this informative. After all, it's all in their hands - if they continue purchasing inferior products, nothing will change. We will leave it at that. Until next time!

Excellent interview, thank you bro @Papusan!

 

To be fair to this engineer i think he does know what he's talking about but he's hamstrung to try and put a positive spin on things by those who make the decisions higher up. He may well want better thermals in the products but is constrained by the product designers who mandate the thinner chassis.

Those quotes above that @etern4l highlighted seem to suggest this too.

 

Exactly, the thermal engineer has to make the best of whatever the internal Dell politics dictate. I'm just glad to see critical thinking from people that can see through the marketing smokescreen.

 

Yes indeed and we also share same processor vulnerabilties in AMT/MEI, processor uCode and still Intel tells us, their 14nm god knows whenever their plus(es) end on finely optimized process node is free from exploits!

 

It’s more than thin product design. They try to design the cooling in the cheapest possible way. Not for best cooling. And the thermal engineers cooperate hand in hand with the firmware crippplers. If temp go above target just add in the 4 mentioned sensors and firmware to handle the rest. Cooling is more than hardware as you know.