*OFFICIAL* Alienware X Series Owners Lounge and Discussion

screen vibrancy, color accuracy, and how good it looks is not only about the refresh rate. I don't trust any review sites. I trust my eyes but to each his own. I would never buy an MSI laptop again for that reason, and for their horrible software called MSI Dragon Center. It used to be good but not since they moved it to be a UWP Windows Store piece of junk app that fails to update properly.

 

It's not about refresh rate per se, but the fact that the 300Hz screen has different characteristics.... BTW they are a Titan screen even higher. Interesting. The thing about you and MSI is that you have consistently hated them in all your posts I've seen, so the bias is strong, whereas notebookcheck come across as relatively fair amd objective (as opposed to PCWorld for instance). I suggest we keep an open mind: if MSI actually improved their screens in the latest models, that's great news for us consumers.

If the MSI Dragon Center is even worse than AWCC, that would be something. It would also be quite odd, given that MSI developed the excellent Afterburner everyone uses. The good news is that both can be largely ignored in normal use, as much better tools are available say for undervolting.

 

Laptop makers use the same screen. Some are good, some are bad but the higher end models all have solid screens.

The only ****ty panel are the ones from Panda which can be found on the low end GF series, Asus Tuf and Legion 5 laptops.

No idea how bad AWCC is but Dragon Center doesn't earn any praise for sure. Its buggy and sometimes options don't show up.

 

Grats bro..that is an excellent price for that setup! I've been eyeing similar ones on the outlet. Since I have an AGA that's the one thing that has me interested in that exact laptop but I'll see what Alienware does in the next year. X17 definitely ain't for me. When you get it in, would you mind posting your fps from Warzone in 1440p / normal settings? That is if you have a 1440p monitor.

 

MSI doesn’t develop Afterburner/RTSS in-house, it’s outsourced to Unwinder, the Russian developer who made the original RivaTuner (the first widely used OC software for Nvidia cards), on which Afterburner is built.

 

And Dell’s cancer software is much better? MSI sell a lot more gaming-books than Alienware but you see less problems with their software. This doesn’t mean I have big feelings for this brand. And I’m sure you know my standpoints regarding both brands I shall not mention the firmware aka cancer bios. This is a own sad chapter (read my threads if you haven’t). I’m sure you have spent a lot time read about this the last decade. Double up doesn’t mean double the better.

 

NP. First i gotta find a 1440p lcd that will fit in my m17 r4

 

Ah you don't have an external 1440p monitor?

 

i have a samsung 49 ultra-wide120hz the 32:9 one. i believe its 5120x1440p but i want it built into the actual laptop

 

Most likely the X15 with i7-11800 & 3080(8GB vram) https://www.3dmark.com/spy/20847485



Here is the m15 R4 with the 3080 140W TGP

https://www.notebookcheck.com/Alien...-auch-mit-mechanischer-Tastatur.539824.0.html

 

and here is my 105W RTX 3080 score on my AERO 15

 

You need compare apples with apples. Not apples vs oranges

 

Does anybody what is the height of the 10 series processor die off the mobo? Or does it vary Ex.. 0.2mm @Papusan @Mr. Fox @Spartan@HIDevolution

 

Wow and how!? Custom cooling? Lm or something

 

Why does it show "Custom" for the benchmark? If you want to use it for the basis of a comparison, it needs to be run with all default settings.

I have no idea. I have never measured on the 10900K/KF. I think maybe one or two of der8auer's videos might mention it for the desktop i9. Which CPU are you asking about?

 

Expect the same as the desktop chips

Custom run. Can't be compared with default TS bench.

 

TY So Much for this

 

Do you know whats the space on GPU30 series on laptop?

 

Thanks for the reply papusan got it. I was talking about the 10870h

 

Custom runs are meaningless. I can do a custom run with everything set to the lowest and get 20k graphics score. You of all people should know that.

Exactly

 

I did a custom run simply because the default run was at 4K resolution so I just changed the resolution to FHD to be on the same page as others.

You sound so pissed off, LOL. I hope you don't lose sleep over it

@Mr. Fox

 

? It used to be the case that the default TimeSpy resolution is FHD - upscaled to 4K if run on a 4K display, which has no impact on the score. Has something changed?

 

The Time Spy bench is a 1440p test as I know well. Thats why your 105W GPU score's higher in custom mode with FHD settings.

 

Nah, just don't spread misinformation

Exactly. Timespy regular runs at 1440p regardless of what your monitor resolution is.

 

You're right, which means that @Spartan@HIDevolution overthought this a bit and forced lower than default resolution... The point is that the actual display resolution doesn't matter if one is using the default settings, as the rendering is done off-screen at QHD anyway.

 

3dmark software do automatic scaling for their different benchmarks. No need to alter anything. But if you have 4K panel it is vise to use a external screen for benching. Just put 1080p or wanted resolution there. Never use custom settings in the software for benching.

Edit. See also Does my desktop resolution affect my 3DMark score support.benchmarks.ul

Impact on CPU-limited systems
When a benchmark is limited by the CPU, or when the frame rate is very high, image scaling may have a small impact on the benchmark score.

Optimal settings for overclockers
If you're aiming for the highest possible score in a benchmark—for an overclocking contest, for example—matching your desktop resolution to the benchmark's internal rendering resolution may provide a very slight performance gain.

 

Happy Father's Day to all who are and/or have a father. Being a good dad has been a great honor for me and I am privileged to have learned that from having a great dad. Being a grandpa is a lot easier, LOL.

 

Does anyone have a photo of the x17 r1 PCB? In the m17 r4, you can install 3 ssd m.2. And in x17 r1 only 2?

 

Lord i aint ready to be a grandpa yet. my daughter turned 17 this year if she came out preggo i would be livid. happy fathers day to all

 

Thats right PAY MORE FOR LESS!!!

 

Thnaks brother for the information. Now i understand better how 3ddmark works. That's why score is not «valid» but «custom». For a score to be valid it has to have a video card driver appove and being run at default settings. Thnaks again

 

You're welcome

You find the service manual on Dell’s drivers update for all models with a fast google search. I mean it’s 2 M.2 slots if I remember correctly.

Alienware x17 R1 Service Manual
View PDF

 

What do you mean? You can tweak GPU settings with the Afterburner and the score will still be valid, no?

Edit: ah, at default TS settings..

 

As long you run default settings in the bench software

 

Were you using this? It's advertised as 128w/m-k but it's higher than indium itself? Doesn't seem to make sense?
https://www.amazon.com/watersouprty-Thermal-Conductive-Compound-Accessories/dp/B07YC99L3P?th=1

 

LoL. Neither does "toothpasteripper" (not sure what that even means). It's not April 1st, but it seems like a joke.

 

Thank you for the link. It's sad that the new laptop is worse than the old one. The m17 r4 has three m.2 slots, but here there are only two. I also have three slots on my old ASUS. On such expensive laptops, there should be three slots. Can someone from Dell read this forum?) Make the next laptop with three, or better with four m.2 slots) For example, there are double memory slots for laptops, where the memory lies on top of each other, so you can place another slot m.2 in place of the memory.

 

You're welcome

A bigger chance the next model will come with one M.2 slot and second storage as soldered on the MB pcb. Thinner design need new solutions. Remember the new model has less of everything vs. previous models. The price you have to pay for the thinner design.

 

Older 15 inch AW laptops had 2 ram slots, 2 M.2 slots, 99Wh battery + space for a 2.5 inch Sata drive, and here they can't fit 3 M. 2 slots + 2 SODIMMs in a 17 inch?!? It's another thin and light penalty, plain and simple. Suck it up people, you asked for this (or so Dell is telling us)!

 

To be honest, as m.2s storage capacity’s get bigger, laptop manufacturers are going to include less ssd slots because the vast majority of people only need 1 or two TB, which can easily be supplied by one or two slots.

I may not understand why Dell does a lot of things, but it makes sense to me that they only included 2 m.2s and they may even only use 1 for the next major revision of the larger X series laptops. Its just not a need that most people have. Why spend the extra money on implementing and manufacturing it?

 

How do you know it's not a need most people have? What if only 25% of customers have this need? Is it worth alienating (!) 25% of consumers?

 

I highly doubt that 25% of Dell-Alienware’s consumer base for powerful 17 inchers cares too much about having 3 m.2 slots…

I think what a lot of people in this thread fail to realize is that they’re not necessarily dell’s target audience… These decisions are driven by market research and the conclusion they must have come to is that there’s a bigger market for thin and lights then there is for huge DTRs. Thankfully we still have clevo for that, but who knows for how long?

I just personally don’t feel comfortable saying I know more than a company that’s been in the game for many years and is worth ~50 billion dollars. None of us have to like it, but collectively we make up a small segment of the market which is dominated by people who just want a laptop that can play cyberpunk and other high fidelity AAA titles without hiccups.

 

The 2021 Zephyrus S17 from Asus has 3 M.2 slots in RAID 0 compared to X17's 2. But again it isn't perfect either, as Asus continues to solder one memory stick to the motherboard, and leaves out one SODIMM slot for memory expansion. It's just pure laziness or lack of interest when they can't fit in two replaceable slots for memory expansion even on a 17 inch laptop. During the S17's launch event, people literally spammed a lot in the youtube live chat, as to why the RAM is still soldered, and roughened up the 'Umar' of Asus (Jake Kulinski, or whatever his name is) who hosts their events/podcasts nowadays.

 

I see your point, but I'd draw conclusions from my normal friends rather than what companies do. My friends who like Apple products weren't happy with Apple reducing the ports on their macbooks to only 2 USB type C ports. They'd love to see all the ports present on the old macbooks make a comeback. This is admittedly a small sample size of people, but normal people tend to think alike when it comes to computers.

I think this is more Apple being a bad influence on the rest of the market. Most people probably don't need more than 2 drives, but there are probably still a significant amount of people who would want or need 3 or 4.

 

The point is that you have more than enough space for all those features in a 17 inch laptop. The decisions not to include are apparently driven by attempts at squeezing more profit out of the systems rather than a sophisticated process of optimizing them towards the broad target audience. For instance, they reused the motherboard in some or all m15/m17 models, clearly a waste of opportunity to include further expansion options in 17 inch variants. Another example? We all know the primary motivation behind soldering the cheapest possible RAM on....

BTW We can comfortably dismiss any speculative claims regarding the actual structure of the target audience based on opinion rather than concrete data which nobody here has access to or are free to share.

 

The thing that has gone wrong with the industry as a whole is, people have pushed Apple a bit too much, that it has become more of a lifestyle brand these days. Many such people wouldn't even bat an eye when they are going to puke 4000$ on a fully decked out Macbook (because soldered RAM, so get as much as you want now, or regret later), and cannot spend even half of that amount on a much better, much more performant Windows laptop which already allows memory expansion as well. Because this section of the society believes that it doesn't matter if the Macbook has no Type A ports, as for them, they only care about 'wearing it' and showing it off to others.

Also most of that blabber on how great the Macbook is, bears no rationale at all. They all say, it's just a great experience, better than anything etc. When asked to pinpoint what exactly it is, they don't have any answers. This of course is a way of doing marketing/politics, like you throw logic out of the window, and target people's emotions instead. Like an old advertisement of flavoured Milk called 'Boost' which used to say "Boost is the secret of my energy", or the recent commercial for Flow X13: "Clear your mind. Flex your power. Be ready for anything". This is the kind of brainwashing that has worked on Apple Fanboys. A fanboy recently quoted saying how M1 is more powerful than 98% of PCs available today. We all know how ridiculous that statement really is. Just because Apple said it, they believed in it. Lol. The main thing is, most Apple users haven't even seen a gaming laptop in their lives. Otherwise one would miss so many features which are exclusive to only gaming laptops like refresh rate, etc. There are better things than Apple, but Apple fanboys really need to come out of it, to know there exists a world outside of the Apple ecosystem.

 

On the dell website, the cheapest configuration of the x17 r1 (11800H+3080 16GB) appeared for just $2675.39
https://www.dell.com/en-us/member/s...rationid=58ffb0a6-2e3e-4c7c-92a1-9eaf21b0c170

 

I ordered one x17 for 3 589 euros in France, i got a 17% discount from Phone vendor.
With ;
I7 11800H
3080
32G ram 3466Mhz xmp
Ssd nvme 1to
UHD screen
3 year support plus
3 year accidental damage

No cherry keyboard french available

 

Looks like france is more expensive than Germany?

Paid 3600 for my X17

I9 11980HK
3080
32gb 3466
1TB SSD
UHD
3Y Premium Service Plus

Cherry only available with US Layout

 

I do not understand why you do not want to save money and buy a laptop on the American dell website with delivery to your country. and I think buying 3 years of support is a waste of money