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Check your Nvidia control panel settings. I think you might have the power management setting on max performance. I'm not at my laptop right now so not 100% on the setting name.
Change it to adaptive and it should downclock when idle, in turn running it cooler.
Wish I could find one for a good cost now - just cursory checks those suckers are going for like $1000-$1200+ USD..... that's hell of a lot for a laptop CPU...
Bro by the time you get the cpu it's just going to go higher, stop chatting about it here and buy it already, it's a good choice. I'll help you with the rest of you want once u get it in. Lmk!
Knowing that the 9900ks is over $900+ now I really hope whatever seller you are buying from isn't about to rip you off. $666 is a weird number and only $66 more than the one I got from microcenter for $600 and that was when the 9900ks was still in stock all over 2+ months ago. But I wish the best.
So far I didn't find a way for it to automatically be applied at startup. Maybe some scripting will do. I will look into this this weekend.
Really happy that the video helped!
Cheers!
I repasted mine but not sure its an absolute must? It all depends on your plans, are you benching, heavy gaming etc. then yeah repaste it.
If you have zero plans to overclock and you will make a significant saving then you could get 9700, if there isn't a great deal of difference in price, go with the K version so you can upgrade in future.
Doesn't this whole question depend upon the temps your getting in the first place? I mean, its never necessarily a bad idea to repaste, but some folks have temps that are just fine from the factory on 9700KS models.
Of course, but I don't think the poster has one yet? Trying to give the advice on repasting on a guess. My temps weren't the worst but I wanted to give it a bash.
yes, but i remember last time i was looking for laptops all the 15 inch alienwares had heatsink problems. figured since this model has been out for a bit i'd ask before gyving dell my money
if its not throttling i could prob get away with just an undervolt. i know the 9900k throttles but i havent heard much about the 9700k model
Thanks. I’ve heard some people say the Area 51m was an expensive experiment and won’t be refreshed. Do you agree or no? And might I be missing out on the opportunity to get the i9 9900ks for a reasonable price (since they’re stopping production) if I wait for a revision?
I bought the 9700k cause I'm too curious n had to attempt undervolting and overclocking and I'd recommend you going for it. I can play CPU and GPU intensive games from the min I reset HWInfo and after 2 hours its averaging 70's for CPU with spikes to 90c odd, but the average CPU is 4.9ghz. Then GPU is at 76c due to thermal throttling but still see 1700mhz or there abouts over the 2 hours.
Im maxing out what i can as im not touching the components and purely undervolting. does upgrading to the 3200mhz kit (2933MHz) over the 2400 kit provide much improvement in games?
(i dont wanna replace any parts after words so dell support cant use that as excuse if i need them to replace something)
i thought people were able to fix the low throttling gpu on windows? assuming if it wasnt overclocked it wouldnt get as hot
Yeah they definitely can, you can dow grade to 1.5.0 BIOS, or you can use Asus GPU Tweak or use HWInfo fans, there are many ways to over ride or bypass the 76c limit, or deal with it and notice little FPS difference.
9700k with RTX 2080 here. Research and need made me pick the 9700k vs. the 9900k.
But I do google 9900k prices every now and then. Then I come back to reality. Nothing I do will benefit from having a 9900k vs. a 9700k.
I play games mostly. There is no benefit to getting a 9900k for me at this time.
I see folks posting that a 9700k with RTX 2070 is the sweet spot. I beg to differ.
9700k with 2080RTX is the optimal with this laptop, BUT, if you are good at tweaking, 9900k with 2080RTX is the ultimate with this laptop. Hence why a 9900k is probably on my upgrade path in a few years.
A quick question.
On throttlestop you have this feature to test the stability of your overclock/undervolt using tons of calculations, which compares the results for errors.
Is there something similar for the GPU? I mean sure if a game has no glitches it's fine, but that way I can much faster find the limit of my Chip it's silicone qualities.
Also I assume you guys all use throttlestop for CPU undervolt right? (since XTU keeps resetting after reboot)
I can validate this as well - even overclocked on my unit to 5.1 Ghz 9700K+2070 and running various stress tests like Time Spy stress Test Extreme, etc. provided you run a fan profile using AWCC above balanced you will be fine. This is factory stock, the cooling and software seem to handle that combo with no issues at all. Do a slight under-volt, all the better.
I've been experiencing the GPU throttling for a long time and tried both Dell's and this forum's fixes without success.
Here are some details:
BIOS rolllback to 1.5.0 - This didn't work, it told me I didn't have permission to do this and followed all the details, even doing this with the Dell rep. I'm currently on the latest BIOS as I may as well move forward if I can't move back.
Asus GPU Tweak - I changed my thermal limits in the program after creating a new Overclock in AWCC with everything set to stock apart from temp at 76%. I ran Heaven and the clocks were pretty all over the place but after 5:40 it dropped significantly and didn't recover.
HWinfo - I didn't have any options to change my fans. To confirm, my settings are that in demanding games I have them maxed out.
Throttlestop - I downloaded this but wasn't sure how this would help. I saw something to do with the GPU but this seemed to be mainly focussed on the CPU and I couldn't find much information on how this would help.
Afterburner - I have a lot of experience from this in the past (I moved to China hence the laptop) from my old PC builds however the temp limits are greyed out, I believe due to the newer cards' settings to adjust clocks based on temps.
I'm currently using an AGA with a 2080 from an old build however I will be travelling when the Coronavirus is under control and can't take an AGA with me. The performance isn't that great with it anyway and it would be good to free the card up to use elsewhere.
Does anybody have any suggestions on how else I can fix this/where I could be going wrong? I've tried scouring all the different comments etc in these threads but I can't get anything to work.
@Sup3r, I think you need to understance sentence structure a little more with regards to hence ^^
@MogRules, yes this was the first thing I mentioned, the BIOS rollback to 1.5.0.
When I followed the steps entirely it said I didn't have the rights to, I eventually managed to force the rights by going back to a previous version, then another etc but when I actually flash the BIOS it stays on the current BIOS, it wouldn't actually let me get back to 1.5.0 at any time, it would stay on whatever was the BIOS after that version.
Any help would be really appreciated! I feel like I'm stuck with a paperweight with Dell not able to help and although I know these solutions so far have helped a lot of people, I suppose I'm in the minority.
Thanks for this, I'll have a look after work today and let you know. This in particular doesn't ring a bell but the BIOS rollback was the first thing I did a few months ago so I'm not sure currently!
You’re living in China and actually
working? Most everything is still shut down where I’m at (Zhejiang). Hope you’re enjoying your 51m when it functions normally, anyways. I’m still considering whether to buy one from HIDevolution and have it shipped over here or wait until I’m back in the states during the summer to pick one up. I’m hoping they’ll announce a refresh here soon.
Yeah, I work from home for a UK company (in Beijing though) so aside from the cabin fever of ALWAYS staying inside, everything is normal day to day in terms of work.
If you're convinced you can get everything working/they deliver you one with an earlier BIOS then sure, prior to this happening I was really pleased with my unit, much better than my 17R5 which had numerous heating issues and ended up being killed by an engineer using an entire tube of thermal paste, applying it to the PCB around the CPU/GPU and dropping it on the board, after others caused damage too. At that point I just gave up and asked for a 51m which they gave me after returning mine and paying ~£150 on top. Well worth it when you factor in that they included the support for another year too!
From what I understand, the issue doesn't happen with the 2070 version (the rep mentioned that after I asked if they could reimburse me for a downgrade to fix it) but they wanted to look at other options first. That might be a decent option to go for instead if you don't need the 2080 or the headache of it not working..
Aside from all the above, the only things I encountered with my unit were that I absolutely needed a thundebolt dock as the IO is decent (way better than the 17R5 which i believe had the same ports as ther 13" version..) but not enough. I got a Caldigit TS3+ which has been great, bought it when I lived in Spain, power brick died when I was in China and they shipped a new one to me here from their Taiwan company. I got a decent laptop cooler underneath the laptop and on top of the dock which props it up and supplies a good amount of air, even if it doesn't improve performance much at least it will help slightly. The second thing I found was that the 3.5mm jacks on the laptop were very underwhelming, I'm not sure if anyone else encountered this but they don't sound great but are ok if you need to use them (USB is probably fine), I have Sennheiser GSP600s which only use these connections. Using the dock works really well though, the sound clarity is much higher.
Yes, processing means your order was successful. Out of curiosity, what do you plan to do with 64gb
Didn’t think there was much benefit going above 32gb?
Ok so just did a quick restart and I didn't actually have this disabled but have now, I saw that indeed they said about this in the thread further down.
I've had a look and I think I've kept all the old BIOS and files needed to perform the downgrade from 1.3.2, 1.5.0, 1.7.3 so will start having a quick look.
One thing I'm not sure on is about the person that mentioned the capsule updates removing the files. Do they mean from the USB or the computer itself? If it's from the computer, do you know how to do this if it's the computer?
Never heard of it personally. I'm also curious about the clocks on it - I consistently with a profile that only OC's the CPU to 5.1 Ghz (9700K), the 2070 max clock for me is 1905 mhz in HWInfo which seems odd considering everything I read says the clock should be max boost 1440 mhz.... even the desktop goes to 1620 mhz. The average is often around 1500+ as well, so I am unclear what Dell did with this, or if HWInfo is misreporting, but no throttling issues I have or have heard of.
Just going through the process now, if I choose to "Recover BIOS" it doesn't do anything, if I do it from the 1.7.3 BIOS it updates it to a more recent one, "Rollback BIOS" has taken me to 1.7.3 and I'll try rolling back from there to see what happens and provide an update.
Update: I couldn't find a definitive 1.5.0 bios on the Dell site, it looks like they removed it and my old ones have been renamed as per the intructions, so I can't be sure exactly which version they are.
I'm trying again now with 1.3.2 but not holding out too much hope as others said they needed 1.5.0 to be the intimediary
Update2: I checked the BIOS and for some reason the capsule was updated again so this has been disabled again. I tried rolling back I'm still on 1.7.3
Update3: As I thought, the capsule update being disabled seems to get set to enabled when you rollback the BIOS, I checked again and it happened this way.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Update4: Found the 1.5.0 BIOS by just googling it, repeated the steps to get the USB ready, trying again now.
Update5: Used the BIOS but still on 1.7.3, I'll restart, ensure capsule is off again and try to recover instead of rollback.
After this I really am going to be completely out of ideas, this really is dejavu when looking back at the previous time I tried this.
If someone could suggest or DM me, I'm happy to try and work something out privately to get it fixed.
Update6: I tried using the recovery option instead and this just put me back at square 1 with BIOS 1.8.1. I'm not sure if its the case that there is another BIOS it "remembers" and is trying to get to instead of the one on the USB drive, or that when there are the multiple resets whilst the BIOs flashes etc that enable to capsule setting in the BIOS and when it resets, it goes back and updates.
Please can someone help? I really don't know what else I can do....
Very curious how this goes - as I have the 9700K+2070, if I ever chose to upgrade to a 2080 when Dell has the kit on sale (if its not screwdown compatible with an R2 unit then its going to just fall one day). Also like to know exactly what memory they are employing with the 2933 spec.
Ok, now I've installed it, but only had time to test it very briefly.
Some thoughts;
-It seems my amount of Grizzly thermal grease is ok, not too much and not to little, as far as I can tell.
-The adding of thermal pads seem to have been good too, all surfaces seem to have enough contact to show in the pads.
-Windows boots as usual. The system settings still says 9900K instead of KS. This was expected of course. HWINFO recognizes is correctly.
-Thermal performance seem to be very good. With the old 9900K I maxed out at about 83C after stressing the laptop with a mix of 3DMark and real gaming. A short test now landed me at 77C. While not 100% accurate, it certainly looks promising. This is with -125mV UV, same as I settled on with 9900K.
I also already have a buyer for my 9900K, so all in all this seem like a good result.
EDIT: Wow, the 9900KS peaked at 87C after 30 minutes of gameplay. Not cool (literally)! ;-)
I guess I may want to underclock it a bit then. Can it be done with ThrottleStop?
Well, you are the first person that I am aware of that has not been able to successfully rollback to 1.5.0
All I can suggest is to to very careful and methodical - follow the downgrade grade guide to the letter, do not assume you already understand the process, remember Dell has taken steps to STOP people from casually doing this which is why you need to trick it a little bit.
Myself and many others here have done this multiple times, I have gone back and forth between 1.5.0 and 1.8.1 and 1.7.3 multiple times and it takes about 10-15 minutes with reboots.
I can not think of any reason this should not work for you, EXCEPT that you may be unknowingly missing a step.
Follow the guide to the letter as if you’ve never used a PC before.
It works.
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Yes most of us run about -100mv yours may take more or less you will want to stress test in Throttle stop to make sure no errors.
I just realized I misread that at first, yes you can under clock it in TS but really you should not have to, as I mentioned before if you were already getting 83c with your 9900K I think you were already good, if your getting higher temps now with a KS it COULD be several things since you’re simply “ dropping in “ a KS in place of a K you May want to try setting BIOS DEFAULT to make the board realize you have a different CPU, or maybe even pull the board battery to reset all settings and start fresh, or it could a Less optimal paste and pad job then you had before.
I can’t think of any other reason a KS would run hotter then K but others here may have some ideas.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
