*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

Probably not so difficult. Guides on the web. But you’ll never know the outcome before it’s too late.

Firestrike Physics is a short benchmark. Regarding you said impossible on custom loop... Depends on how you put up your system and what parts you’ll use.

 

This is on balanced with a slight undervolt. It's a low score but it's because the bios doesn't play nice with the 8700k. It power limits a bit.

That's one hell of a system. Good Job

 

WHAT AM I WATCHING someone needs to fire this guy right now, the way he gives advice on the cpu socket is HORRIBLE this reminds me of the horrible vodeo of theverge PC build video omg...send help. Oh let me add here he even said "oh yeah you dont even need the bracket to the HDD in here....im dying here...

 

Looks like he forgot to either blur or remove the shipping label. Name/address visible in full view.

 

he did alot more crap then that, plz watch all and you will cringe 80% of the time "im thermal throttling but my peformance was great, i hit 100c and i was still getting good peformance this is unbelieveable!" NO THAT IS HORRIBLE!

 

9700k + RTX 2070

I would personally wait for the R2 version, but only if you want an RTX 2080 in it.

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I still have PTSD after The Verge pc building video.

 

I have new ptsd watching that guy just now who said "yeah you can reuse the old factory thermal paste just move it to the middle again if it spills to the side" then he said "the thermal paste is VERY TOXIC!!!!" like it's acid to the motherboard or something.... As he literally gets it on the board anyway....... Did you actually watch the video lol..

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Well, here goes nothing. Let's see if there are any changes.

 

You got new bios?

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How can you see what vBIOS you have installed?

 

Not to sure what, are you on latest already?

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BIOS 1.8.1 does still have the 79°C throttle. Confirmed no changes made there.

I'm running the 180W BIOS

 

Have you check the Thermal Limit on Alienware Command Center?

 

GPU-Z

 

Yes, you can still bump to 87°C, and it will throttle when reaching 79°C.

Have to try without moving the slider. Also have to try if creating custom fan profiles actually work.

Hold on... I think I got something... Currently loading the 200W BIOS

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IMPORTANT CHANGES FOR BIOS 1.8.1

New temperature management system, please set your AWCC GPU OC profile like this:



Temperature will now hold on steady at 77~78°C and MSI Afterburner settings are not affected!! Tested with both 180W and 200W vBIOS!!

Edited after more testing performed.

 

What are you meaning with that, the throttle Will come at 78° or not?haha

And that means you're just downclocking the GPU to not reach the 78°limit right?

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No, the GPU will warm up to 78°C and stay there without AWCC messing your undervolt. This is fantastic!

 

I will test it later, but how can It just not go up than 78°, If I'm doing an stress test or playing at 4K BFV with RTX won't go more that 78°? That sounds strange

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Temperature is still hardcoded on the BIOS. You can move the slider past 79°C, but you will get the hard throttle down.

Best is to enable GPU overclocking on AWCC and set the slider to 78~79°C.

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Hello everyone. I have an Area 51M with i7-9700k and I am currently getting 4.5 ghz. If I want to overclock the CPU, how would be the best way to do this? Or should I just be happy with the 4.5 that it is running at?

 

Is that without any thermal mods?

No more of the aggressive throttling down to 50c on the 200w vBIOS? Maybe I will see mine go above 2000mhz now....

 

Check this thread.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/alienware-area-51m-undevor-and-overclock-guide.830857/

 

There is a vBIOS and BIOS collection thread which shows how to confirm which one you are on, believe GPU-Z states the codes as @jc_denton pointed out. I think 1.0.0.5 is 180w and 1.0.0.3 is 200w.

 

I followed this guide already however when I click on the fivr button. The overclock button is greyed out under the turbo ratio limits section and it has 47 as the limit. I cannot go higher than 47


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For what I understands it seems that the throttling is still here, he's just undervolting the GPU and trying not to get past 78º, right?

 

Lapped die, custom ihs, LM and an open window

 

Yes and no. The limit is still there, but now AWCC does a better job of keeping things in check. You still have to undervolt the GPU to get extra performance, but at least now things won't go to hell after heat soaking kicks in or should you want to run a more silent fan profile.

Will be doing a video right now, also have to update my undervor guide.

 

Ok sorry, I understand now. I have set this limit and need to test if I can pass it but for the moment I can even go 78º. But we need to still fight this, I'm to post about this to alienware support, Dell Support ticket and Dell forums again.

What vBios do you recomend to use with last BIOS? Thanks!

 

I applied a thin layer of the same thermal paste as well with similar results. I actually applied it with a razor blade which is the commonly accepted way of applying thermal paste as far as I know. I found that a thicker layer is necessary to afford good thermal transference. I would say about an eighth of an inch. Sorry metic folks. This must be because of the lack of correct tolerances of the heat sync

 

These changes will prevent the aggressive throttling down, but it won't allow your GPU to boost higher. Don't understand much why your GPU can't do +160 or +170MHz.

Is your CPU a 9700K? Have you disabled CPU OC on AWCC? Is in your BIOS "CPU Perfoamence" option disabled? Has been Throttlestop turned on? Is Intel XTU running in the background?

I'm going to contact Alienware support too, still not ideal. Also found out that the Balanced fan profile now boost the CPU fan to 81% and the GPU fan to 84% (basically the performance fan profile is useless now).

I'd say the 180W is still the one to run since running the 200W will make the laptop heatsoak sooner.

Video of my test:

 

New bios 1.8.1

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/9519087

Old 1.7.3

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/9361238

Slight drop on the CPU score.

 

1/8 inch thick layer of thermal paste would be a pretty great way to insulate the heat, not transfer it..
Thats 3mm of thermal paste...

If your laptop needs that, send it back because that heatsink is behond bent..

 

Oof - so basically, no "upgrade" of CPU then for R1 owners down the line. Outside of more potential RAM, more disk space options and HD-gsync screens, what point is there then to an Area 51m? Given the issues with just supporting a 2080, what do you think is the upgrade-ability potential then for an R1 Area 51M in terms of say GPU at least? That puts me on the fence now about holding onto the unit I have....

 

Okey so I started to update my bios - 1.8.1 and I've been seeing this for 30min ? Should it take this long?

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Ok I have a non K 9700. Now I know why. Thanks!!


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Hey!

How long did ur new bios install take?

/L

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Couple of minutes. Your BIOS update has crashed, but I don't know what to recommend you to do.

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In queue now for support ....

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What does open window mean bro? Is it literally an open window letting in cold air or does this mean something in the overclocking world haha, sorry again for the noob question.

 

Haha, no secret OC slang or jargon. It's an open window while benching, for lower ambient temperature.

 

Not normal at all, but I would just leave it, wouldn't be the first time someone's system took substantially longer for some reason or another. You may have to force power it down if it's absolutely stuck but I wouldn't even consider it unless it's been there for AT LEAST an hour. Chances are hard powering it down during a bios update will = brick. I have had to do this on an older machine and it did survive and come back, but it is NEVER recommended.

Mine was done in a minute or two, but it did take a little longer to post on the initial start after the flash.

 

hope they get you sorted.

I remember that happening to me once when flashing an older laptop, my heart sunk when it had hard locked during flashing.

 

What are your ambient temps?

Do you have fans full blast or auto?

Do you have any other cooling such as cooling pad?

Actually me, @iunlock and I think even @S.K are running 9900K fine in our systems. I can run stock with -100mV all day no issues. Before I applied his stupid Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut, I coudl hit 5.0Ghz on all cores with max fans. It would peak at 100C but that was under benchmarks.

I think if someone actually redid thermal pads, liquid metal between IHS and die, lapped IHS, and used liquid metal on the die to HS, it should be able to manage under 100C at least with performance fans.

Thing is, not many people are willing to do/risk that.

Even my P870DM3 ran hot until I redid thermal pads and thermal paste.

I think every laptop with this type of hardware needs serious work in this department.

So what happens if it hits 80C+?

I can currently run up to 87C on 1.5.0 + 200W vBIOS without any issues.

If this BIOS goes to 81C+ what happens to clock speed?

New BIOS has MORE Intel Security fixes causing performance to go even lower on CPU.

 

Does anyone have some experience with overclocking then undervolting the rtx2070 in this laptop? If so what are the curve settings you ended up with?

Cheers

 

This is benching at home with a window open for lower ambient, temp outside being at 7c.
Fans are always on max for benchmarks, no cooling pads, back cover not removed.

If you're interested in how temps are this way, I did a write up of taming the 9900k.
Link.

 

If you hit 79°C, GPU goes to a 50W power mode causing a severe performance drop. Some of us don't want to run 1.5.0 because we loose G-Sync, a feature we paid for.

 

Hahaha,
How can you disable Hyper Threadyng and in what does affect the computer? Games? 3D? ...

Really does it improve perfomance?

On the other side...



They say that "it definitely will be worked on".

 

How are you talk in to them like that Twitter?

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A feature that we paid for... Which I guess Is kinda irrelevant in some situations but gsync not worth the gpu throttle that is caused... I would just go down to 1.5.0 until it's fixed in latest.

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