Bluetooth mouse that ISN'T crap?

My Logitech G5 just died, so I figured I'd get a new mouse. I'd like to get a bluetooth mouse, but upon searching for some, they all don't look too good. The Razer Orochi looks okay, but it looks like the imperfect combination of way too small and way too expensive. I'm really not looking to spend more than $40. What are my options?

 

Do you plan on gaming with it?

 

Logitech V470 or Microsoft Mouse 5000. I have the 5000 and its pretty good. Not quite as accurate as a wired mouse, but still very nice. It Auto connects to the computer. I don't think the V470 does.

 

Yes, I do plan on gaming with it. It doesn't have to be too fancy, though; I've been using my old mouse on 800 DPI, I think, and doing just fine.

 

Look into Logitech's unifying receiver mice. The little USB dongle is really small. Sticks out less than a centimeter so you can leave it plugged in all the time.

I have the Anywhere mouse and it's been great from day one. But in your price range the M510 and M705 would fit the bill.

 

I don't even have bluetooth, but my plan was to get a tiny dongle and a bluetooth mouse. That way, I would have both bluetooth AND a mouse taking up only one USB port. I really don't get why they don't just make them all bluetooth, and include a USB dongle instead of the proprietary dongle.
Well, anyway, I think I will just get a regular wireless moouse. Feel free to keep suggesting bluetooth ones, though.

 

The other issue with bluetooth mouse as compared to RF mice is pairing and lag. RF mice pair instantaneously and have virtually no lag (thanks to their higher sample rate).

 

Yep, Bluetooth has a response time of 14ms. Most non-gaming wireless mice have 8ms, and gaming-grade mice have 1ms. That, more than the DPI, is what makes their use for gaming pretty limited.

If you can find a good price for the Orochi, I definitely can't recommend it enough. It's small, but it really makes use out of every last square millimeter of surface area. I have pretty large hands, and I can comfortably fit 4 fingers on it. The wired mode is also great, for when you want to turn it from a 2,000 DPI wireless office mouse to a 4,000 DPI lag-free gaming mouse.

Otherwise, check out the Dell 5-button Bluetooth Travel Mouse. There's nothing really fancy about it, but it's cheap and it has 5 buttons, unlike most others. For some reason, manufacturers seem to think that people who want Bluetooth mice must only want ambidextrous 2-button designs.

 

Dell bluetooth mouse seems to be a good choice. but I never use any.
I ditched Orochi because of its infamous wake-up freeze and now using AnywhereMX

@shroom,I can't believe you're still recommending Orochi LOL. OP clearly said too small and too expensive .
And Orochi for bluetooth? It's suicide unless you get the "Shroom 10 seconds sleep-timeout Special Orochi" LOL

 

It's a good mouse to me. I'm sorry that you didn't like it, but please don't pretend that your opinion is worth any more than my own.

 

Ok it's good for you. but my explanation is a way to say: "Orochi is crap"

 

I've actually be a big fan of my el-cheapo BT mouse: Mouse - Sanwa Supply - - Sanwa Supply Bluetooth Wireless Optical Mouse 1000dpi - Black

It's cheap enough to take a risk on, and it actually works quite well for gaming. The main issues are that if I use it a lot, I can go through a pair of batteries every 2 weeks or so. But that's pretty much any bluetooth mouse. And it pretty much requires the use of a mousepad. I haven't found it to work well on any surface other than a mousepad.

 

I have owned the Dell BT travel mouse for over a year. When using it with a Dell XPS M1730, it was fabulous. More than sufficient for everyday use as well as playing Left 4 Dead 2, BioShock 2, and Dragon Age. Then, I bought an Alienware M11xR2, and the mouse has shown that it simply cannot keep up anymore. I don't know why. Weaker BT technology in the M11x, maybe. But it's no good anymore. I mean, it's still fine outside of games, but L4D is practically unplayable due to the skipping.

So, what I'm saying is that whether or not a certain BT mouse works well enough for you may also depend on your laptop. I had thought that bluetooth was bluetooth, but apparently not.

 

@jmeyer2039, it looks like the antenna is the one that's weaker, since all wireless technologies are still depend on antenna.

And for bluetooth modules or dongles, they're really depend on those tiny antenna lines ..and the notebook's body material may have a role in its receptions.

 

At that price, you really can't go wrong. And it's a good looking mouse to boot.

The Logitech Darkfield mice, though pricey, are pretty amazing in this regard. They actually work on glass tables. I didn't believe it until I used it on my kitchen table.

 

I can buy 3 of my mice for less than the price of a Darkfield I'm actually looking at a G700 sometime soon. I'd just buy it now, but people want to know what to get me for my birthday and Christmas, and I'm apparently hard to shop for

 

I'll consider that one, definitely a good price. I do tend to use the couch as a mousepad, but I'm sure it wouldn't kill me to get a real mousepad.

 

If you insist on Bluetooth, it's one of the best values out there. If you don't mind losing a USB port, a wireless mouse with a nano receiver will give you better performance and battery life.

 

Yeah, I've been looking those up, too. I can't seem to find a full-size one for under $40, though. Any suggestions?

 

There's not much of anything in good mice for under $40, and there's even less available that's full size. It's quite annoying, really. You're going to have to increase your budget if you want a decent wireless mouse, and probably double it if you want it full size. Gaming mice are really the only ones that match those requirements, and there's a pretty penny for a premium on them.

 

I recommend the Razer Orochi or Logitech m555b. The MS bluetooth 5000 mouse sucks since you can't configure any of its buttons.

 

Woah. I just found a listing for a used MX performance mouse on ebay for $20! No receiver, but that can be bought easily. That price in itself seems a little shady, but the seller has over 99% positive feedback, and even if it doesn't work, I can just return it, right? I'm buying it.

 

nice find! If I'm not waiting for Logitech G700 I'd buy that definitely, since I already have the unifying receiver

And do you use Orochi? I wonder if you're still recommending it if you have the wake-up freeze

 

The return policy for a defective item is determined by the seller. Read the auction terms clearly before you bid.

 

Just because it is Bluetooth, and Bluetooth is the "newest" wireless technology, does not automatically make it better. In fact, Bluetooth technology is one of the WORST mouse connectivity technologies.

If you're talking about mice in general, then wired mice are by far the best mice in terms of pure performance and convenience. They always operate at full performance, and never have batteries that need recharging / replacing.

After wired mice, you have 2.4Ghz wireless. On the high-end of 2.4Ghz wireless, you have some high polling rate mice. The Logitech G700 (which is easily one of the best mice out, wired or wireless) falls into this camp, with polling rates as high as 1000Hz (1ms response time). Low-end 2.4Ghz wireless mice operate at default polling rates of 125Hz (8ms response time).

And at the very bottom of the connectivity technologies is Bluetooth. Just like low-end 2.4Ghz wireless, Bluetooth operates at 125Hz (8ms response times). The Razer Orochi is probably the "best" mouse in this category, but "best" is relative. There is the annoying 3-second sleep timer, the 8ms lag time, and the relatively low 2000dpi engine when running in Bluetooth mode. Just about the only reason to ever buy a Bluetooth mouse is if you don't want to give up a USB port. Or, you are a total Razer fanboy who has bought into their marketing, and are absolutely convinced that paying for their absolutely useless "1337 g4M3rZ features" like gold-plated USB connectors or the ability to turn your wired Orochi mouse into a half-assed wireless Bluetooth mouse somehow makes a better mouse.

In short, nobody who is serious about mice buys a Bluetooth mouse. They either go with wired, or high-performance 2.4Ghz wireless. Even Razer Orochi apologists and fanboys will tell you that they use wired mode when they need serious mouse performance, because the Bluetooth mode sucks for anything that requires your mouse to operate at peak performance.

 

Ah I didn't read far enough from the top of the thread to see that the OP will be using it for some gaming. In that case, don't go with the Orochi unless you're ok using it in wired mode.

I only use my notebook for work, internet browsing, email, etc. and the Orochi is great for that since it has so many programmable buttons for a smaller mouse. The lag doesn't bother me either since it doesn't affect my work, internet browsing, email, etc..

If you're ok carrying a larger mouse around with your notebook and have the money, I'd take a look at the Logitech G700. Logitech just replaced my Performance MX with a G700 and I'm glad they did. The G700 does not use Logitech's unifying receiver though and it won't work with it. It uses its own higher-performance / performance tuned receiver.

Every wireless mouse I've tried has at least a second delay when moving it after it has been idling for awhile. Even the G700 suffers from this.

 

but I'm sure they're not after just 3 seconds idle which is very annoying for productivity to me
I could convinced myself that I get used to it, but I choose not to, not in this modern technology age

 

I haven't experienced 3 second wake-ups with the Orochi.

The wake-up time is exaggerated by many. I've timed it with a stopwatch (and an input lag program to time the cursor response time) and the longest it has taken for it to respond after it hadn't been used for at least an hour was less than 2 seconds.

 

3 seconds is not the wake-up time, it's the amount of time of idle to enter the sleep mode, and when you move it after idle for 3 seconds, it'll freeze for a sec
If it doesn't happen to you, then good for you. but AFAIK it's not good for me and other people

 

^And you people tell me I get paid to advertise here?

 

The online review from which you plagerized that content failed to mention the two major weaknesses of the Razer Orochi:

1) In bluetooth mode, a sleep timer puts the mouse to sleep after only 3 seconds of inactivity. This timer is not adjustable by the user.

2) Bluetooth connectivity is a relatively poor connectivity method for people interested in high-grade wireless mice.

 

Just thought I'd update and say I just got the performance mx, and it actually works! $32, not a bad price.

 

Man people just hate the Orochi. Its perfectly fine for me. I use it in wired for gaming anyways (most of the time). Otherwise for normal school use, the bluetooth is fine. The 3 second or whatever people want to call it is not such a big deal for me. When gaming on wireless, I've never ran into the freeze problem, cause I'm always moving the mouse.

Just state your opinion and move on, theres no sense in bashing others that say good or bad things about it.

 

I stated my opinion, people made comment and I commented back, what's wrong with it?
And I wasn't bashing, ok you can answer this one for me:
"Is Orochi good for primary bluetooth mouse ?"

 

In all fairness, you have the Razer Orochi and know all of its strengths and weaknesses. Many of the people who post about Razer mice in this forum only talk about the strengths, and leave out the part about the weaknesses. Someone who is considering a Razer Orochi mouse should know both sides of the story before making a decision.

And I bashed richards4n5 for plagiarizing content. Copying content typed by someone else is fine, as long as you give credit or link to the original source. Trying to pass it as your own isn't cool.

For a Bluetooth mouse, yes it is a good bluetooth mouse.

However, Bluetooth is probably the worst mouse connectivity technology available right now, so I would never consider using it. To say that the Razer Orochi is a good Bluetooth mouse is like being proud of winning a Darwin Award.

 

It's a good bluetooth mouse alright (if you see all the specs and not see all the -specs )

but I doubt it is a good primary bluetooth mouse since it freezes every 3 seconds idle

And people who said it's fine with them, in fact are not using it as primary bluetooth mouse.