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    Disadvantages of an hdtv instead of a monitor?

    Discussion in 'Accessories' started by Chango99, Nov 5, 2008.

  1. Chango99

    Chango99 Derp

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    What's the disadvantage if you get a 24" hdtv vs a 24" lcd monitor?
     
  2. namaiki

    namaiki "basically rocks" Super Moderator

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    More expensive?
    You should still be able to directly compare things like resolution and brightness between the two screens.
     
  3. nizzy1115

    nizzy1115 Notebook Prophet

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    Is it 1080p because the monitor will be. Other things could be refresh rate/brightness/contrast/image scaling of other resolutions power savings (also it might not turn on automatically/go to sleep automatically when the computer is turned on/off) and im sure there are big differences in the circuitry for the image creation...honestly, just check it out, if you have a laptop see how it looks by bringing your laptop and a cable in the store and hooking it up. If its ok to you then thats all that matters, right?
     
  4. flipfire

    flipfire Moderately Boss

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    Most HDtv's only offer a refresh rate of 30hz which is half of a monitors refresh rate. Personally i dont really notice it when playing CSS on a 32" hdtv

    Some HDtv's these days do offer up to 60hz though
     
  5. Straightshooterr

    Straightshooterr Notebook Consultant

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    for th bigger TV's you wont really notice a slower refresh rate, the major thing is the resolution of he larger tv's because you will have the hardest time trying to see texts and so forth whenever you switch it from an LCD to HDTV, however, they really arn't more expensive, just shop around for a bit
     
  6. makaveli72

    makaveli72 Eat.My.Shorts

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    You're a little behind time Flip :)...60 is like standard now...they're up to 120Hz these days. :p
     
  7. Xseries4ever

    Xseries4ever Notebook Geek

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    Sony has 200Hz Bravias now...
     
  8. azntiger1000

    azntiger1000 Notebook Deity

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    Pretty much the HDTV will cost you like 200+ more dollars. Personally, I think the LCD monitor would just be suffice, unless you want to watch tv on your screen. But there are always ways to get that like a tv tuner for both pc and laptop.
     
  9. flipfire

    flipfire Moderately Boss

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    Yes it seems i am behind haha. Its a sign for me to get a new TV!
     
  10. ViciousXUSMC

    ViciousXUSMC Master Viking NBR Reviewer

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    For 24" may as well get a monitor, the only read advantage of a TV in that size is that it will probably have a tuner and more inputs.

    Soon as you go above that size though its TV time!

    Also monitors cost more than HDTV's from what I can see. I mean the 30" montors cost thousands while the 37" Westy is less than $600 right now.

    Also think of resolution and aspect. Most monitors are 16:10 while most TV are 16:9 so the TV has a wider aspect, great for movies and games. The resolution though is generally higher on the monitor 1920x1200 vs 1920x1080.

    The monitor will have more desktop space but it will look smaller due to the higher dpi. Also if gaming in the native res the monitor would take more power from your computer (gpu & cpu power) to play the game at the same frame rate.

    I'll never use anything other than a nice big HDTV as a monitor again, its much better and also lets me hook my gaming consoles and things to it easy.
     
  11. Straightshooterr

    Straightshooterr Notebook Consultant

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    which would be pretty good for gaming but for the most part they are 720p at 32" so unless ur lookin to spend over 1k for a 1080p ur gonna have some problems reading small texts...

    how do u relate response time to refresh rate??

    response being in ms and refresh rate bein in Hz

    EDIT** nm, figured it out... for anyone interested like i was... 60hz= 1/60 = .01666 = 16ms roughly speaking

    that right??
     
  12. nizzy1115

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    Your confusing refresh rate with response time. They are different things.
     
  13. ViciousXUSMC

    ViciousXUSMC Master Viking NBR Reviewer

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    Yeah I will clearify, the refresh rate has NOTHING to do with response time. Thats a thing of the past that really only mattered when the lines where being drawn across the screen one at a time on a CRT. On a LCD that does not happen so it does not matter.

    60HZ is perfect and all you need.
     
  14. Straightshooterr

    Straightshooterr Notebook Consultant

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    so response time is a thing of the past? why is mainly advertised with LCD monitors and refresh rate mainly advertised with LCD tv's??
     
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    From wikipedia:

    "Much of the discussion of refresh rate does not apply to the liquid crystal portion of an LCD monitor. This is because while a CRT monitor uses the same mechanism for both illumination and imaging, LCDs employ a separate backlight to illuminate the image being portrayed by the LCD's liquid crystal shutters. The shutters themselves do not have a "refresh rate" as such due to the fact that they always stay at whatever opacity they were last instructed to continuously, and do not become more or less transparent until instructed to produce a different opacity.

    The closest thing liquid crystal shutters have to a refresh rate is their response time, while nearly all LCD backlights (most notably fluorescent cathodes, which commonly operate at ~200Hz) have a separate figure known as flicker, which describes how many times a second the backlight pulses on and off."
     
  16. Straightshooterr

    Straightshooterr Notebook Consultant

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    that makes sense, but kinda pulls from why advertisers use Hz on LCD TV's or am i just over looking the fact that they work completely different from LCD monitors...
     
  17. ViciousXUSMC

    ViciousXUSMC Master Viking NBR Reviewer

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    Your just falling ploy to there marketing tactics.

    Like why somebody would buy a crappy 5mp camera over a good 4mp camera.
     
  18. Straightshooterr

    Straightshooterr Notebook Consultant

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    i got a solid explaination from some best buy guys... simply put they are measuring basically the same aspect of the TV in a non technical way, such as how well you see a moving picture, however there isnt a standard way to measure ms, every different manufacturer can use a different computer or wutever to measure ms but there is a standard way for measuring hz which makes it a much more reliable source in my opinion
     
  19. HotBlood

    HotBlood Notebook Consultant

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    Because Hz is still important, tho with LCD's it's complicated/categorized into multiple performances and there's no agreed-upon standard for measuring it.

    Disadvantage of HDTV? It tends to be in the living room and you'll get comfy in your sofa. I gave up trying to do productive work like that, it's all about entertainment with the HDTV. So the monitor may be more general-purpose if you need to do work.
     
  20. jisaac

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    frequency is very important if you're a gamer.... e.g. if u use a monitor at 30Hz and you're gonna sli 2 gtx280s.... what's the point?? Even if your gfx is capable of running crysis at that resolution with 50fps you're not gonna get more than 30 due to the frequency of the monitor......
    (correct me if i'm wrong)
     
  21. ViciousXUSMC

    ViciousXUSMC Master Viking NBR Reviewer

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    Hahahaha.. Ok stop right there



    Ok your right and wrong. There is not a "standard" way to measure response time. Some do B2B some G2G, and the way they measure it can differ. However it is MUCH MUCH more viable information for a LCD than even the most accurate refresh rate information because as long as its 60hz and thats the standard thats all that matters.

    Any decent reputable company will disclose figures that are good enough to use, its the cheap no name stuff that when you see numbers that look too good to be true, they are.

    So no matter how reliable you can measure the "hz" (refresh rate) it means next to nothing. Even the response time these days is not super important as LCD tech is getting so good that even poor panels have good response times. I would be more worried about things like

    > color depth
    > inputs
    > warranty
    > internal scaling
    > hdcp
     
  22. Straightshooterr

    Straightshooterr Notebook Consultant

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    gotchya... well even if 60hz will have no ghosting, a 120hz will *** it up because im gonna have it double as a TV... lemme run these figures by you and see what you think... 37" 120hz 1080p 15000:1 contrast... all i need for imput is HDMI in... im not completely satisfied on the contrast, but what else should i really be lookin for?
     
  23. ViciousXUSMC

    ViciousXUSMC Master Viking NBR Reviewer

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    Figures seem fine but brand, cost, warranty and stuff would be things I need to know to judge how viable the stats are.

    Id not touch certain TV's with a 10 foot pole like those Vizio they sell in wallywart
     
  24. Qwakrz

    Qwakrz Notebook Consultant

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    Response time (usually only on LCD).

    The time it takes to change a pixel or other display element through a range of its value. On an LCD screen this can be going from full white to full black but some makers use values as low as 60% of black, the usual is 90%. High response times used to cause shadows to appear, especially if a white dot moved across a black screen (remember the old DirectX tests) on an LCD. This is not really a point to look for now as most displays have moved on from the old days and LCD is very good with response times.


    Frequency of Display (refresh rate)

    This is how many times per second the display can (attempt to) update the picture being displayed. This usually refers to the refresh rate on an old CRT display but can also be converted over to LCD displays as they still rely on a serial connection carrying the data to the monitor at a given rate of refresh. I use "attempt to" in brackets as if the response time is lower than the refresh frequency you can get the effect where it takes several updates to change the spot on the screen.

    The main thing about refresh rate is that for smooth playback of video it does need to be a multiple of the video feeds frequency or you have to interpolate the signal by inserting or removing frames as needed (which can cause micro stutters). For the US market this is usually 24Hz, 29/30Hz, 60Hz, 120Hz, 180Hz etc and for the UK market its 25Hz, 50Hz, 75Hz, 100Hz etc.

    Contrast Ratio

    Needs to be taken with a grain of salt as there are 2 ways of faking it.

    Some "iffy" makers started to list very high contrast ratios for LCD TV's until someone pointed out that when the screen was displaying a black image they used the firmware to turn off the backlight thus giving a totally black screen. This, to some extent, is still fabricated by some makers using similar tricks and you will normally see about 1000:1 as the difference when used for normal viewing which is fine.

    My new Samsung came with the backlight turned up full, it looked like I was watching an arc-light and was very painful, it did however mean that the TV had a very high contrast ratio but was totally useless for general watching.

    I hope these points helped. (probably not)