Gaming Mouse vs Multimedia Mouse. High DPI vs Low DPI

I plan to get Gaming Mouse Razer Mamba with 5600 DPI.
Currently use Logitech MX Revolution with 800 Dpi

My question is,
Will you notice significant different on precision with Higher Dpi on mouse?

 

Yes, you certainly will. 5600 DPI compared to 800 DPI basically means the Mamba gets seven times the amount of movement data that the MX Revolution does in the same amount of physical motion on your desk, meaning far greater precision.

 

The new Mamba looks and sounds great. Baib, I went from a standard MS 800 DPI to a MX518 @ 1800DPI and it was huge. At 5600 DPI, you will probably have to down set...unless you are running a huge monitor setup. Upload some pics if you get it, please

 

Would you be able to put the sensor from a really high dpi mouse into another one? It's just that the MX revoloution is soooooo comfortable but it lacks much precision

 

Thank you for all the info.
I will get it at best buy than. It still on pre-order and will be ship out in 2 weeks. Original Price is $129 and I will have 10% off from best buy coupon and additional 15% from reward zone card.

Here is a nice info and picture about Razer Mamba
http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/22/razer-mamba-wired-wireless-gaming-mouse-impressions/#continued

 

No, you can not do it lol.
Awhile ago, I have try playing to swap non brand laser mouse to microsoft optical mouse. You can not even remove the eye. It is stick with some cable that connecting it to some PCB.

Anyway, I am agree with you. I love the feel on my MX Revolution and extra button on to increase and decrease volume.
But the Dpi is sucks ball. I am pretty good at FPS game when playing left 4 dead or CS but when using MX Revolution with low DPI, I am become noob.
It is hard to head shoot someone unless he unaware I am there and I can sneak up to him really close lol

 

I use to use a 800 DPI mouse from logitech, got the Sidewinder with 2000 DPI, BIG DIFFERENCE.

 

the high dpi = precision thing is a myth.

on paper sure more dpi = more sensor input per movement but in reality your human movement is not accurate enough to use the difference accuratly from say 1200dpi and higher.

In addition you lower the dpi on a software level with the "sensitivity" setting in windows or in your game. If you do not thats why a small movement flings the cursor across the entire screen.



My question for you, how accurately do you think you can move a mouse? Think of once inch of space and plot 1200 dots across it. You wont even be able to do it and if I had a machine do it you would not see the dots you would see a line.

Now say for 100% perfect accuracy you have a 1:1 ratio of mouse movement to on screen movement. This means no lowered sensitivity, every input sent to the mouse is translated to onscreen movement.

a 24" monitor is 1920x1200 and we are using a 1200dpi setting as an example.

So that means in just once inch, you would scroll the entire monitor from top to bottom with 100% perfect accuracy.

Most laptop users are probably on a lower resolution screen so that means your already at such a high accuracy rating that your beyond the scope of your hardware.

Now I ask you how many of you play a game with the sensitivity so high that you only move an inch to do a full screen movement? Nobody does, and so you compensate for the high dpi with a lower sensitivity. Your basically telling the computer "for every 4 inputs you get move me only 1" so that 1200dpi now moves you the full 1200 pixels in 4" of space and you have a 4:1 map an real life dpi value of 300!

Now just imagine what kind of numbers your looking at with 5600dpi! Its not humanly possible to take advantage of a number so high.

I was using 1 pixel = 1dpi a perfect example as every sensor input = some sort of on screen movement, a lesser input ratio means that you move the mouse and nothing happens on screen.

So the next question is, your in an online game do you really think that there hitbox engine is set so high that a full 1920x1200 pixel map is used? Its far less than that, moving 3 or 4 pixels on your screen still sends the same information to the server, in addition when your looking at such a small number the latency/lag time of the data going back & forth has a larger impact on your aim than the mouse ever could.

This DPI race for mice is a farce, its no different than the MP race for cameras. A falsity that a higher number = a better mouse when it is simply not the case.

What your doing is paying big $$$ for these high DPI mice and the hardware inside of them is better so it picks up movement better, they have better error control and things of that nature. Your really not using the DPI, there are other mice out there with equal or better hardware like the MX518 that have a sane DPI value that will save you $$$

Im on my desktop right now and for testing purposes I have my MX518 set to 1200dpi and I could not make any physical movement small enough not to move my cursor a pixel or two on screen, its pretty obvious to me that a higher setting is beyond my human physical ability to take advantage of.

 

from what I understand the dpi is the total number of dots within a square inch. I fit were the dimensions then you could have a 31 megapixel mouse which I think is highly unlikley seeing as there are few cameras in the world which operate at that resoloution and they cost the earth. If I square root 5600 I get 75, so for a high end gaming mouse of you move it can only tell if you move your mouse more than 1 75th of an inch. With a 800 dpi it can only tell if you move it more than 1 28th of an inch.

Thus I conclude that it is entirely possible for a gaming mouse to make a difference seeing as they are about three times as accurate. I think that even the highest end gaming mouse is well within the accuracy of our hand, when you think about it that about 1 3rd of a mm which is pretty easy to judge.

...Actually, I can proove that the sensors aren't done by dimensions but total area. Do you have any idea how fast your mouse would have to be to take 31 megapixel photos at 2000 frames a second? Somehow I don't think a USB port would be able to handle it. Also, it would mean that I could buy a super HD high speed camera for under £50 when even basic VGA ones cost over £500 (and those are the cheep ones).

Thus I conclude that you have been

 

I don't know about accuracy, but it makes my life easier when I have to scroll across screens or while gaming. Sensitivity is not quite the same as a dpi change in CS 1.6, for example. I can bump down to 400 DPI but bump my sensitivity and all that happens is jitter. I can say that I just use my high dpi mouse for not having to lift up the mouse or over extend while working. I agree with you on the accuracy aspect as it is difficult to 'land' on that specific pixel with such great acceleration.

 

The mouse is just sending movement data its not taking images... your so far off base, and trying to provoke somebody sounds like.

Turn your mouse up to 1600dpi and just nudge it. A movement so small that you do not even see the mouse phisically move on your mouse pad is enough to move you 2 or 3 pixels. Unless you have your sensitivity turned down to compensate for it.

dpi to me means dot per inch, if it was per square inch the term is improper it should be dots per square inch.

 

I'm not trying to be provocative in any way, I'm just illustrating that the dpi does make a noticable difference. I have a 800dpi mouse and I can move it without it twiging quite easily.

What you said about how it's just sending over movement data is probably true but I know for a fact that there is no chance in hell that the small microprocessor in the mouse could do anything with a 31 megapixel image coming in at 2000fps, not even desktops can handle that.

Also, you shouldn't be fooled with mice. It seems natural that double the dpi means double sensitivity but this isn't the case, you only get about 1.4 times increase in sensitivity. Countless times I've had dim people boast to me that their phone camera has 5 megapixels while mine only has 3.2, when you work it out that means that they get a picture about 1.25 times the dimensions for about four times what I paid... On a side note, if you are looking for a camera phone look for autofocus not megapixels

 

800dpi seems to be that threshold where there is room for improvement.

Like I said I use 1200dpi and thats a 50% increase, a pretty significant amount.

Using a 1:1 map 800dpi if my theory is correct is only 800 pixels in an inch.

Get a good 1600dpi mouse like the MX518 and then compare it to one of those overpriced $130 mice and then things should look different.

Cameras are a different beast, I know all about how they work. Like I said they fool public with MP count. MP is the size of the image but its the image sensor that matters along with the lens. If you have a small image sensor (aka camera phone and most point & shoots) increasing the MP count while giving a larger image does not give better quality because your just sending more data to the sensor than it can handle. It does not have enough resolving power to pull any new details out of the larger image. So you just get a bigger worse quality image and end up having to shrink its size to that of the smaller MP cameras native size to compensate for the loss of quality.

Thing is while a camera is a totally different piece of equipment and has no bearing or relation to a mouse at all really, the marketing technique is the same.

12.1MP Camrea!!! is going to sell more than 5mp camera even if the 5mp camrea is 3x the quality.

5600dpi Mouse!!!! is going to attract a lot of people even when right next too it on the shelf or right below it in your internet browser is a vastly supperior 1600dpi mouse for less.

Im just trying to be the person that can help remove those marketing blindfolds and save you some money. If your turning down the sensitivity of the mouse past the 1:1 point that means the mouse is already doing more than you need. Getting a 5600dpi mouse is like buying a car than can do 500mph even though your going to be driving it on the road with a 70mph speed limit. Your just wasting money for something you will never use.

 

I would just like to point out that it will be almost impossible to game comfortably at 5600 dots per inch (DPI). Unless u have the biggest screen ever haha.

But yeah its just a factor determining its precision and the Razer Mamba creams that VX

 

I think anything above 2000 DPI is overkill.

 

The whole mouse DPI thing only matters on the resolution you play at. Lower DPI is good for lower desktop resolution, and higher DPI is better for higher desktop resolution.

 

Words that anyone in the market for a camera should definitely heed.

 

I run 2000 dpi in windows on a 22" monitor and 2200 dpi while gaming unless I am sniping with something.

I can move my mouse 1-3 pixels at 2000 dpi without any issues at all. I have a logitech G9.

At 500 polling it is jerky for me, at 1000 polling it is smooth and much more controllable.

 

Okey I got my Razor Mamba today.
It very nice mouse. Too bad that I can not modify the button to lower and higher the volume on my computer as my Logitech MX revolution did.
The shape and design is very nice and very comfortable in hand.
I found out that at 800 Dpi (Logitech MX Revolution has 800dpi), the Razor Mamba has better response and more accurate than my Logitech MX Revolution.

Too be honest, 5600 DPI is WAY OVER KILL. Noone will be able to play well with 5600 Dpi unless you are GOD of FPS

When using my 24" monitor, I am using 2200 DPI. Above that, become quite hard to control.
On my 30" Monitor, I switch the DPI to 3500.

Unless you have dual screen 30" Monitor, I dont think you will need 5600 dpi.

 

you are 70% correct about the mp race in camera: higher pixel count of the same sensor size does not always* produce more details. that's true

you have to also factor in micro-lens on the sensor which does help to produce detail picuture(compromise would be something else). ex. canon 50D

you have to also factor in technological improvement. ex. any 6mp camera vs. fuji F10/30/31
or the inherit handicap sensors from panasonic pre-lx3 to anything but kodak.

you have to also factor in the CPU and programming too: digic, bionz, expeed, trupix or turbopix or venus, they all produce different results and sometimes they are more preference in terms of choice.

lens wise it is not always an issue until you reaches around 35mp of a full frame(DC are getting so close) where quality of a lens will be a determining factor and you will have to have a high quality lens(leica, high end nikkor, L-lens, CZ, etc)

Q for marketing people: what is better to sell?
megapixel? dynamic range? or noise control?
it's so obvious isn't it?


since mp on camera (wthout all those cr@ps above) translate into how large a print you can produce given a degree of details:

shouldn't higher dpi means more hand movement = less screen movement?
which is where precision should take place?

 

you can set volume control with the attached software.