Having trouble picking a gaming mouse

Games I would be playing are oblivion, skyrim, dota 2, sc2, and maybe the new elder scrolls MMO.

So far been looking at the logitech mouses, I've used two button logitech mouses my whole life, always reliable to me. Should I look at other brands?

Some issues...

1) Wireless vs wired (the most popular debate probably)
I was leaning more towards wireless because I will be travelling a lot, but how bad is the delay? These wireless mice don't seem to show those specs. Which ones have the least to no delay?

2) Optical vs laser?
Which is better?

3) Mouse pad
Are these gaming mousepads really worth it? I can't imagine they do much...

4) Extra buttons
This is where I might need the most help from people with some experience with this. I want some extra buttons, but some come with like 2-3, other gaming ones have like 10. Are they really worth it? Is it hard to go back from cause they're that useful in gaming and browsing, setting up all those macros? Or have you guys mostly left them untouched.

Anything else I should be looking for when I'm shopping?

Cheers

 

I'll just keep this simple.

You want a mouse with more buttons. It will change your life. Seriously, extra buttons in the right places makes a huge difference with an Elder Scrolls game. I'm currently playing Morrowind and Oblivion and it's amazing to have all my spells and items mapped to the extra buttons. Makes a HUGE difference.

That said, I highly suggest you check out the Logitech G700 mouse. I know I probably sound like I work for Logitech, but it seriously is one of the most amazing pieces of gear I've ever used. It's a genius piece of engineering. Extra buttons (in perfect to reach places), great feel, textured finish, good software, rechargeable batteries, can be used wired or wireless, doesn't pick up fingerprints or sweat, etc. This thing has it all. And it's priced right, too.

Hopefully that helps you a bit. Good luck on your search.

 

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I've always preferred wired over wireless and laser over optical. Currently I am using a logitech g500 (10 buttons) and play many of the same games you do. Having extra buttons is quite useful in dota, especially for more complex characters like invoker.
Razer also makes some very nice mice, but their software is atrocious compared to logitechs. Razer's synapse is useful if you are someone who is constantly switching between machines, as synapse saves everything to the cloud.

With my logitech, i have about 15 profiles set up for individual games and for desktop mode. It does take a bit to get used to, but once you've used a true gaming mouse, you can never go back. I've actually had to force myself to learn to use the mouse at work lefthanded, as my right hand is instinctively looking to hit certain buttons that my cheap 2 button and a scroll wheel mouse at work doesnt have.

 

Haha I'm so behind with the times. These look amazing.

Do these logitech gaming ones all come with both wireless/wired options for the same mouse (from the micro usb cable)? That would greatly eliminate me worrying about which one to get since I can use wireless for work and office and wired for gaming.

And all use a usb port right? None of that bluetooth silliness?

I will be using this mouse for my desktop and gaming laptop, is it a hassle to set up all the keys twice? Only razer supports copying it to another machine?

 

The G700 is wireless, but can be wired as well. It charges while wired and you can still use it at the same time. It uses a simple USB cable.

Keep in mind, though, when the mouse is used wireless it doesn't have much of a battery lifespan. Mine lasts about 24 hours of use before I have to recharge.

Other than that, the mouse is amazing.

And no, it's not a hassle to set up the keys. Takes a few seconds, and the mouse has 5 profiles built-in so you can setup different profiles to use.

 

Using a Logitech M500 at the moment.

Not a gaming mouse but Logitech makes great mice, and doesnt force you to install bloatware like Razer.

 

There really is no best wired or wireless gaming mouse out there. Unfortunately, gaming performance isn't one of the most important attributes when companies design gaming mice. If you really want a wireless gaming mouse, get the Logitech G700, but that is only because more expensive ones aren't any better, and in fact some of them are worse.

Razer doesn't force anybody to install "bloatware" any more than Logitech does. However, with logitech's mice that have on-board memory, you can use it a lot less.

 

As for lag with wireless, first you need to know there are two parts to lag. One is the normal lag while using it. You won't notice this lag, so it is a non-issue. The second type of lag is when you stop using the mouse for a few seconds and it powers down. When you move the mouse it powers back on. This delay is very noticeable. But on a gaming mouse it won't power down during normal usage. So no problem. The down side is shorter battery life. A non-gaming mouse will last much longer on batteries, but will power down sometimes during usage.

As for laser versus optical, I think it is not a big issue. Unless you need to use the mouse on unusual surfaces. Speaking of which, mouse pads, not a big deal. I have a slick mouse pad that my arm slides on easier and I really like it for that.

Lastly, try a few mice and see what fits your hand. Some people palm mice, and grip like a claw.

If it fits your hand, I think the G700 is a good mouse. One note, if you always use it wired, the cord is a little stiff. I have a AA charger and extra batteries, so I could just swap batteries and keep going wirelessly.

 

As noted, Logitech is the brand to go for. I am using a G7 which I love. Also, the mouse pad is a bonus if you use it at a nice desk, but if you were to move on your bed, the pad is pretty essential. This one is pretty nice Ratpadz Mousing Surfaces.

 

1) Wired vs Wireless: Personal choice for you, with caveats.

Most important thing to remember is: Do not assume that a wireless mouse is just-as-good-but-better than a wired mouse, simply because it is wireless. There are significant trade-offs. Wireless mice are certainly more convenient for reducing wires / clutter. But they require you to deal with battery life. And in the case of gaming-grade wireless mice, you are often looking at battery life that is anywhere from 12-48 hours between recharges. This will be a personal choice for you to decide whether the convenience of reduced wire clutter is worth the hassle of dealing with battery life.

I would not worry about the type of "mouse lag" that you are mentioning. Wireless mice have come a long way in the past 10+ years, where mouse lag from the wireless technology itself is no longer an issue. This is related to wireless mice technology moving away from RF wireless and adopting 2.4Ghz wireless signals.

Personally, I use a wired mouse on my desk-based setups, and carry a wireless mouse with me in my laptop bag for work-related travel.




2) Optical vs. Laser: Doesn't matter as much as you think.

The advantage of laser sensors is ridiculously high DPI sensitivity (up to 5000 - 8000 DPI). However, in reality, you are never going to use more than 1600 DPI. Even people who buy a mouse capable of 8000 DPI will usually set their max DPI to about 1600 DPI, and never use the additional sensitivity. The disadvantage of laser sensors is that they tend to be more picky and work best on "perfect" mousing surfaces like a mouse pad. A gaming-grade optical mouse will work well on just about any mousing surface (mouse pads, bare desks, etc).

Your higher-end and more expensive gaming tend to use laser sensors; partially because laser sensors are more expensive. And partially because they can advertise high DPI numbers (and prey on the uneducated assumption that bigger-number-must-automatically-mean-better). But again, optical vs. laser doesn't matter as much as other factors.

Personally, I use multiple Logitech G400's on all of my desktop setups, because I like the size / shape / weight of the mouse. Coincidentally, that model of mouse happens to use an optical sensor.




3) Mouse Pad: Personal choice.

If you have a laser-sensor mouse, I would say that a mouse pad is a must-have. Otherwise, optional. You can buy decent mouse pads for about $10 from respectable companies (no need to splurge on the sUp3R-l33T-h4X0rZ g4M1nG pR0 mouse pads that are $30+). The differences in mouse pad will be surface texture (including hard vs soft mouse pad), as a personal choice for mouse motion feel; and in mouse pad thickness, as a personal choice for how much cushion you want in your mouse motion feel.

Personally, I use soft-surface mouse pads from whichever computer accessory manufacturer has a decent sale / rebate for about $10 (OCZ, Corsair, etc).


4) Extra buttons
Extra buttons are nice, especially if you are coming from using standard 2-button mice. At a minimum, scroll wheel and at least 2 thumb buttons are a must (for browser back / forward functions). Beyond that, you can go into crazy 12+ button mice, but that may be a bit overkill. Remember that PC game interfaces are designed assuming people have keyboards at 3-4 button mice. So I would argue that there is only a negligible advantage for having a 12+ button mouse, unless you specifically play MMOs hardcore.

The Logitech G700 that was mentioned by other people will operate in both wireless mode or wired mode. The Logitech G700 recharges off of an (included) microUSB cable, and can be used in wired mode even while recharging.

Personally, I just buy wired mice for my desk-based setups (Logitech G400), and keep a wireless mouse in my work laptop for when I am on the road (Logitech M705 Marathon Mouse). The primary reason for this is because I prefer the size / weight / feel of these mice over a Logitech G700. It is an added advantage that the cost of these two mice is about equivalent to a single higher-end Logitech G700 mouse.

Correct. Skip Bluetooth. A wired or wireless non-Bluetooth mouse will be superior to a Bluetooth mouse in every aspect (cost, features, performance). The only advantage of a Bluetooth mouse is that it does not use a USB port, for those people whom need to very carefully manage how their limited number of USB ports are being used.

 

In my opinion, the first thing you should look for is a mouse that feels "right" in your hand and then move on with the various features from there.

For the rest, I pretty much agree with kent.

 

I wouldn't say a mouse pad is a must have with a laser mouse. My laser mouse works fine without one on various surfaces. In fact, I sometimes use a smooth (in looks and texture) wood board without issues.

 

"The Logitech G700 that was mentioned by other people will operate in both wireless mode or wired mode. The Logitech G700 recharges off of an (included) microUSB cable, and can be used in wired mode even while recharging.

Personally, I just buy wired mice for my desk-based setups (Logitech G400), and keep a wireless mouse in my work laptop for when I am on the road (Logitech M705 Marathon Mouse). The primary reason for this is because I prefer the size / weight / feel of these mice over a Logitech G700. It is an added advantage that the cost of these two mice is about equivalent to a single higher-end Logitech G700 mouse."

Hmmm good point. I think I'm leaning towards the G700 mouse, but futureshop and bestbuy haven't had any mice out of box when I went to see them. Are they somewhat uncomfortable for some? Or really heavy? Any downside aside from battery life?

In particular, could some people who have bought them address these issues on the reviews I found? I think I can live with the battery life.

Cons:
- a bit heavy
- "laser is placed in the wrong place on the mouse, too far from the center , which makes it extremely difficult to do precise movement without lifting your hand from the table, as the mouse only reacts when moving it exactly sideways, where as most people who gaming with their hand on the table naturally slightly curve the mouse when moving let to right (try it and see for yourself)."
- stiff cable when wired

Questions:
- difference between 700 and 700s?
- 13 programmable controls on g700, but I only see G4-G11, where are G1-3? unless those are left, right, and scroll wheel....
- does anyone had experience with a G602? I'm curious how it compares to the G700

 

The only universal negative of the Logitech G700 is dealing with battery life (~1-3 days) when operating at high-performance gaming mode.

The other "negatives" like size, shape, weight etc are up to individual preference. You really can't read a review that says a mouse is "too heavy" or "too light" without trying it yourself; or knowing the kind of mouse size / shape / weight you personally prefer.

Heavy: Personal Preference. Some like heavy mice, some don't.

Off-Center Laser Placement: Bothers some people, doesn't bother others. This only affects people that:
(a) Use extremely low DPI settings, and actually perform mouse motions that ride up to exactly the side of their mouse pads.
(b) Use a claw-grip on their mouse, and use fingertip-motion to move their mouse (wrist doesn't move). This does not affect you if you move your entire hand during a mousing motion (e.g. movement happens in wrist or elbow).

Stiff Cable: Yep. Cable can be stuff. Bothers some, doesn't bother others. The Logitech G700 uses standard microUSB. So if cable stiffness bothers you, go online and just find a thin and light microUSB cable. Something like this would work just fine:
Premium USB to Micro USB Charge & Sync Cable 3ft- Black - Monoprice.com

G700 vs G700s: Same mouse. Difference is only in external styling.

13 Programmable Burrons: Yes, it counts the "standard" mouse buttons in those 13. Left-mouse button is Mouse1, Right-mouse button is Mouse2, etc. Even those buttons are programmable through the Logitech mouse configuration software, if desired.

G602: Different design, newer mouse. Uses optical sensor (instead of laser sensor). Has higher battery life, but uses non-rechargeable AA batteries. About equivalent weight and drag profile to the Logitech G700 when two alkaline AA batteries are installed, but you can shift that weight to a more center-balanced and lighter weight profile by using 2x Lithium AA batteries instead. Has tons of buttons near the left-click and thumb areas of the mouse, just like the Logitech G700. Overall, both mice are complete overkill for just about anything you'd want out of a computer mouse, so they will both likely satisfy your needs.

If you are able, buy both mice from a place that has a friendly return policy (like Amazon.com), and just keep the one you like more.

 

Alright, took your advice. Store doesn't have 602, but I'm happy to try the crowd favorite G700s.

Weight, cable, battery life, and shape, I like or can get used to or as you mentioned, by a less stiff cord (why did they want to use such a stiff one?)

But what I have noticed, and will be bad if I don't get used to it...is it does unfortunately move in a curve because the sensor isn't in the middle. I just use a normal palm grip, but when I move it to the right, it goes slightly up, when I move it left, it goes left and slightly down. Never straight left or right like when it was centered.

People who adjusted from a center sensor to one off center like this, was it easy to get used to? Or will it always be like that.

 

Off-center sensor isn't that big of a deal, to be honest. It affects only a minority of users (that minority just happens to be very vocal).

If it was that big of a deal that affected everyone, then you wouldn't find a single mouse manufacturer that would ever put an off-center sensor.

 

Alright, couple more things. And thanks for your help and expertise btw

Does the receiver or anything involved with the mouse benefit from usb3.0 slots? Or is there no difference.

Anything else I need to know? Just playing around with Logitech Gaming Software. Love the extra buttons already. Especially with this lenovo without any dedicated volume buttons. Would love any other input for someone who used to have a 10 year old 2 clicker mouse with scroll wheel.

 

USB 3.0: No benefit whatsoever for mice.

Other advice I have for you: get used to using thumb buttons. I don't know what kind of gaming you do, but thumb buttons are great for the "extra-but-commonly-used" functions within games.

For example:
* Toggle Auto-run in MMOs
* Push-to-talk button for in-game VoIP
* Melee attack in FPS games

You paid for thsoe extra buttons. Might as well use them.

 

Ok, I'm setting up profiles, having fun messing around.

Now about DPI...dots per inch, from what I've read, higher DPI = higher, more accurate precision...

but is there a easier way to explain this to me, cause I just bought a 8200dpi mouse and my brain at the same was thinking, hey higher number the better, and then I saw what it did, and my god, can anyone use the mouse at 8200 DPI?! so apparently you're supposed to raise DPI and lower mouse sensitivity in the control panel settings, so you have same movement speed, but better reading.

I get high performance gaming, and crazy apm and precision movement, but I can't for the life of me see it making the smallest bit of difference. Am I missing something? I tell the mouse to move here at 400 DPI, it goes there.

I game quite a bit too, and never thought during any tight battles, damn I wish my mouse was more precise? I'm still not even sure what that means. Because being accurate is about personal skill and muscle memory right?

One more thing, is there ever any reason to change DPI on the fly? Otherwise, I'm gonna remap it on the mouse.

edit: i think i answered one of my own questions. people in FPS games would downshift for sniping

 

About G700(s) vs G602:
The G602 is, performance wise, much weaker than G700(s). If you're used to weaker office mouses, it's fine. Otherwise you may find it too weak for action intense stuff.

About super high DPI:
Super high DPI is mostly advertising BS, but not always. The ability to track tiny details on the working surface, which requires high spatial resolution in the sensor, leads to high DPI naturally. Laser also makes it much easier to get high DPI. While the resulting resolution might be not useful, it doesn't hurt to have it.

About USB 3.0:
No benefit whatsoever. Actually it would be much worse if the connector was USB 3.0. The frequency of USB 3.0 connection makes noise that covers the 2.4G band, which means you should never put USB 3.0 devices and 2.4G wireless mouses close to each other. (Using a USB 2.0 receiver in a 3.0 port is fine.)

About off-center sensor:
In theory, it does matter. In reality most people simply won't notice it. Unless you are one of those seriously players who measure hand movements carefully and try to map the movement to the game in an optimized manner, it's nothing but personal preference for you.

 

Performance should be close. If someone is nit-picky enough to care, then that begs the question why they are using the G700 anyway.

Sometimes it does hurt. The G400 has two operating modes, 800cpi and 3600 3800, or 4000 cpi, I forget. Every other setting is extrapolated from there. But they got the highest cpi value in a not very clean way (what do you expect when firmware updates bump 800 cpi to 4000?). So anything above 800 cpi has slightly worse tracking than the MX518 did. However, if you don't want X-Y axis smoothing, or want to use 800 or less or more than 1800 cpi, obviously the G400 is better. The difference is barely there though.

It should be noted that all wireless mice operate at 2.4Ghz.

There can be a slightly different feel to it, but you can get used to it. This is because you can't really keep mice perfectly aligned front-back.

 

The 800 DPI setting is down-scaled as well, maybe with some tweak in the image matching algorithm. An optical sensor has a fixed spatial resolution built into the silicon. It can't change its native resolution in any way. Some PixArt sensors have multiple lens, but you can't change them on the fly.

Wireless mouses working on the 5G band do exist. Those should live happily with any USB 3.0 noise source near by.

 

just a fast chim in get a wireless mouse....wires suck and get in the way. Do yourself a favor and go wireless. Granted wireless gaming mice are RARE. I would get either the naga or whatever wireless one ~100 bucks i think or the logitech G700. I haven't gotten the G700 yet but i plan on it. It seems like the best wireless mouse for the cost. I have the marathon m705 and its a decent mouse but not good for gaming.

my biggest complaint about logitech mice is the fact there are no buttons on the right side :/ I miss my old razor mouse that was dual handed and had 2 buttons on each side. I could love to see a 4 button cluster like the g700 on each side instead of 8 on one side (sorry i am wrong on this one....i was think of the mmo one that has two clusters on buttons).

Alright so i looked at that g602 and now i don't know which to get for myself. I was going to try the g700 but now i am unsure which i like more. Can anyone post again with a little more comparison....i really don't want to be a jerk and buy both and send one back to amazon...i hate to be that person :/

 

400 cpi is scaled down 1:2 from 800 cpi, which doesn't have any issues. 4000 cpi is clearly above the sensor hardware's capability, so anything greater than 800 cpi is not going to be as good as 800 cpi or lower. A limitation of this sensor is that it can only be programed to output data in two different cpi modes. This wasn't a problem when the MX500 only had 400 or 800 cpi, but twelve years later they are pushing that same sensor hardware far beyond its limits.

Ah, you are right. The only manufacturer I could find of 5Ghz wireless mice is Rapoo. They don't seem to be that great though. I've never liked Rapoo mice either. They tend to feel really cheap.

 

how bad is the USB 3.0 noise issue? Like how far should it be away? Also is it from the computer port, usb cable, or device plugged in?

So my point is can i use a usb 2.0 extension cord to move the micro usb 2.4ghz dongle a foot or two away from any 3.0 devices? I really would like/need to know more because i plan on using my new 7 port usb 3.0 hub with my keyboard so i don't have to have it plugged into my laptop.

Though thinking about it i do recall remembering plugging my 3.0 sandisk extreme thumb drive next to my micro dongle and mouse going all squirrelly. I always put it on the other side and it is fine. So does it affect the actual port or cause RF/EMF noise? Does an extension cord solve it? What is the range?

Thanks for the help if anyone can answer those questions

 

Oops... that was a typo. It should be "the 800 DPI setting is down-scaled as well". I was trying say that the sensor has done scaling internally, and scaling again by the controller would result in the signal being resampled twice. Fortunately Logitech is relatively responsible on this front and chose 2:1 scaling which doesn't add noise.

I do remember some other brands selling 5G wireless mouses before, somehow Rapoo appears to be the only one left, or I just forgot the right keyword to Google.

It's hard to tell without testing your specific setup. I tested two wireless mouses with a USB 3.0 drive in the adjacent port. One mouse was almost dead while another keeps rock'n'roll.

Intel has done a study on this: USB 3.0 Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices.

Just noise in the air. The port should work as usual.

An extension cord can help. See section 4.3 in the Intel paper.

 

does it need to be a usb 2.0 or 3.0 cord? Does the noise only happen on a usb 3.0 device or all the time? I appear to not have an issue with two usb 2.0 dongles side by side.

 

The noise appears only when you have a working USB 3.0 connection. If anything in the pipeline is USB 2.0 only you won't experience the issue.

Having multiple USB 2.0 dongles working happily together is normal. Wireless controllers need very little bandwidth, so the channel is almost empty and multiple devices rarely get in the way of each other.

 

ok sounds good. BTW just a usb 3.0 device connected does it. The 3.0 device doesn't even need to do anything. I can just plug in my thumb drive and it goes wacko

 

Yep. Even the signal used to maintain a USB 3.0 connection causes enough trouble.

According to the Intel paper, simple shielding tricks can make plenty of improvement.


Mouse makers can escape to 5G for now (but they don't). However as the 5G free band gets more occupied it would get worse.

 

To answer the wired vs wireless delay question:
Get the mouse with highest average power consumption (in high perference mode, if there is one) if you want minimum delay. Performance vs battery life, it's your call.

 

the delay is nearly non existent in like all mice. I was using a cheap 20-30 dollar rosewill set for years...awesome set for the price. No issues. I wouldn't worry

 

It's not wireless transmission delay (which is more than 2 orders of magnitude lower than the rest of the system), it's power management. Wireless mouses sleep a lot, resulting in inconsistent sensor behavior that do matter in action intense gaming.

The less inconsistency a wireless mouse is designed to have, the more power it has to burn. Wireless mouses that don't sleep at all do exist, but the battery life is just terrible.

 

you got some agrro sleep settings for a mouse. Mine take 5-15 misn of no use. I have never noticed it besides watching a movie or first touching the mouse after being gone. I don't know what mouse is that dumb. I bet there is but not common.

Also i just bought the g602 and g700 so i'll test each ne out and send the other back

 

It's called multi-level sleep or something. When the mouse stays stationary for a very small period (say, 0.2s), it goes into the first low-power state. A few minutes later it enters a deeper sleep. After a longer timeout, some mouses will even shutdown, requiring a button click to wake up.

None of those will happen on a typical wired gaming mouse.

 

huh never noticed and i use a cheap mouse and a decent one

 

It's standard behavior and it's easy to observe. Most wireless mouses will adjust the light when being stationary (you may need a infrared-sensitive camera to see that if it's not using visible light), giving an obvious indication that it has entered a low-power state. If it doesn't, checking power consumption will give you a good idea about to what extent the sensor relies on adaptive frequency to reduce power draw.

It's not only the mouse that needs power management. Notebooks can run on battery as well. Wired gaming mouses which don't perform those tricks can eat so much power that you may want to unplug them when running the notebook on battery. High polling rate can also increase CPU utilization. I can get the interrupt rate below 100Hz (maybe below 50Hz without a heavy GUI) when reading documents, so 500Hz or 1000Hz polling is a battery life disaster.

 

Hey guys, liking the G700s so far.

Couple questions for the LGS experts...

Automatic game detection mode. Is there a way to make more "universal profiles" the way on board memory has 5 of them? In AGTM, I can only make new profiles for specific applications. I suppose I could in theory manually add every single application, but is there a faster way?

How do I customize my laptop keyboard with LGS, I was told it was possible but haven't found a way to do it.

 

so i got the g602 in the mail and the g700 hasn't come yet. I am used to using the old rosewell RF-1600 keyboard mouse and the logitech m705. I vague remember for both of them.....i wasn't a fan and it took a while getting used to going from razor gaming mouse to rosewill then to m705. I think the razor mouse was very much like the g602 in the concept that you moved it with your wrist and arm and not with your fingers. I am very used to using a mouse now with my fingers and not my arm so it is very weird. Don't discount any mouse with a short period of using typically....it takes time getting used to and i am trying to figure out if i like the g602 so we will see. Just realize if you use the m705 this is very different. I never noticed the difference before...granted never paid attention but yea it is there.

Thought i do wish they had the buttons on the side (g602) lower or had the thumb rest higher. I don't like holding my thumb up in mid air to you the buttons. It is more work and shouldn't be that way. Granted, if you rarely use side buttons it is nice because you can't hit them with a vulcan death grip so to each their own.


I currently have tennis/golfers elbow so using my hand and wrist is also extra annoying. The condition is getting noticeable worse so i need to figure out how to use a mouse with a brace otherwise i am going to be screwed. Agitated it when i was cutting wood for winter. Pushed my wrist to hard :/

 

My issue isn't with Wired or Wireless, it's the complexity of wireless gaming mouse.

MX518 has two buttons on the side a two buttons dedicated for DPI. That's it. Now why can't I get a Logitech mouse with 1000 blah blah USB receiver tech with a simple mouse? Even my Performance MX is annoying with the zoom button underneath. Plus the the two buttons on the side don't even register with majority of games I use, I have to use the Setpoint software to assign to some random keyboard key.

Other issue is a lot of the wireless gaming mouse are HUGE! The MX518 is again easy for me to hold and use in my hands. And seems to be easy to use for nearly anyone who has used one. Not everyone finds the Performance MX size and design to be easy to use. I don't like to palm my mouse like a gorilla like the Performance MX seems to want me to do.

Still waiting for a logitech wireless gaming mouse that is uncomplicated and feels comfortable in my hands.
- I refuse to use any Razer mouse. Quality and durability is much too poor for me. I am not a careful person, my Logitech mouse suffer lots of abuse and still running like champs.

A G400 mouse using the same USB wireless tech? Genius to me.

 

If you like the Logitech MX518, then continue to buy it or its successor, the Logitech G400. Simple.

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i am taking a note of that....thats really cool. You cna try the m705....it is simple and fairly small. Plus it is like 30 bucks on amazon

 

well just go the g700 in today...very different feel from the g602 and of course different from m705. I'll let you know sometime next week on which one i keep or if i keep all of them :/ I like and dislike them all :/ Anyone have any questions or want to know anything about the 3 mice while i have all of them?