I need a new mouse please!

Hi everyone, I need a new mouse. I have an ASUS G73, and I play a few FPS games but most of the time I'll use it for web browsing and such. I'd like it to be wired, ergonomic, maybe have some programmable buttons, and functional on multiple surfaces (like my bed). My budget is anywhere under $100 USD. Thank you for any suggestions!!

 

Check out the Razer DeathAdder. It's got 5 programmable buttons, ergonomic shape (in both left- and right-handed varieties), 3,500 DPI optical sensor that tracks on just about everything except transparent glass, and is wired. It's also well under your budget, at around $50 on Amazon.

 

The Logitech MX518 is a wonderful mouse. It is only $24.99 shipped minus a $15 rebate for a total of only $9.99 from Amazon.com. Link. Rebate Form.

The Logitech G500 is also an excellent mouse and a small step up above the MX518, but only because the MX518 is such a great mouse. It basically adds a 5700 dpi laser, on the fly dpi switching, an adjustable weight system, and a dual action scroll wheel to the MX518. It is only $34.99 shipped at Newegg without any rebates. Link.

I have both mice and I have no reservations recommending either one.

 

The MX518 is still $25 on amazon, just not in stock directly from them, you can still preorder it on that price and once it stocks back it will ship. But deathadder could be a a nice option also at $44 on amazon. I own both, and really good, i find a little more confortable the deathadder, but its very subjective to each.

 

Of course Mastershroom would recommend a Razer product...

But in all seriousness, any optical or laser mouse would do just fine for you. They will all track on just about any surface (except glass and polished granite). I've had excellent experience myself with the Logitech MX518. It would be a fantastic deal if you can get it for $25.

The Logitech G5 / G500 is also an excellent choice, but it is better suited for a flat surface than being moved around. That mouse has an adjustable weight cartridge for weight and balance. But the cartridge can pop out if the mouse is tossed around a lot.

If you want a mouse that can track on glass and granite, then the only two that I know of are the Logitech Performance MX or the Logitech Anywhere MX. Both of those are technically "wireless" mice, but can be used with an included USB cable to prevent battery drain.

 

Thanks for all the replies, I think I'll get the MX 518. Can't beat $10.






Thanks

 

Yes, I would, because they've been fantastic mice to me. Keep in mind that before I had my first DeathAdder, I had a Logitech MX518 and G9, and a Microsoft Sidewinder. I make my recommendations based on what I like best, and so far, that's my DeathAdder and Mamba. Is there anything wrong with that?

 

hey im with Mastershroom, Razer deathadder ~! ( and if i had the money id have a mamba and recommend that too ! )

 

I actually just bought the Logitech G500 because I didn't want to wait on Amazon for the MX518. Can't waitttttttttttt

 

G5? Why? The G500 is a lot better and replaced the G5 a year and a half ago.

 

Woops, G500 is what I meant haha

 

Dang, too late to recommend the G700 =<

I find it more comfy than my G500 when I previewed it, and its got more programmable buttons too it seems, can't remember.

Has the option of being either wireless or wired as well =)

 

Microsoft Intellimouse 3.0 is basically the best gaming mouse produced. It is sososo superior to any logitech/razer product on the market.

 

With 400 DPI and 125Hz polling/8ms response? I don't think so, Tim.

Don't get me wrong; I used to own one and it's comfortable and it's got excellent button placement, but technically speaking, it just doesn't compare. Even the cheapest of Logitech and Razer gaming mice have at least 1,800 DPI and 1,000Hz polling/1ms response.

Have a look at the Microsoft Habu. Its shape is based on the Intellimouse Explorer 3.0, but with the internals of a proper gaming mouse, with 2,000 DPI IIRC.

 

Yea cos DPI is SO important. The hz can be changed, it's just a little trickier to do.

Hey I bet you play COD.

 

DPI becomes a little extraneous beyond 2,000 or so, but 400 is pretty low, even by "normal" mouse standards, especially on higher resolution displays.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

 

While I don't agree that MS 3.0 is better than EVERY logitech/razer out there (and in fact it isn't) it's much better than 90% of their products.

What's the point on having 1.800 if it CAN'T TRACK PROPERLY.



And now our little friend avago 9500



Xai, G9X, G500, G700 uses the Avago 9500 and as you can see in the graph it has positive aceleration on ANY speed.

Mamba, Imperator and every laser 3.5G mice uses the Philips Twin-eye which has Jitter on most pads, Z-axis tracking and due to razer attempt to fix the sensor flaws with firmware it now has the DPI scaling.

So yeah, since MS 3.0 can accelerate up to 2.25m/s without hitting the malfunction speed (yeah you get some negative acceleration but still an awesome mouse) it's much better than those options.

But the original DA (the new one has jitter on some cloth pads and the sensor is pretty unstable) and MX518 have better sensors than MS 3.0 (and so do Zowie EC since it's the same Avago 3080 that MX518 uses).



Of course if you play with high sensivity you aren't going to notice 90% of those problems but they exist.

Actually changing polling rate in lan tournaments is pretty MEH.

It's better a low DPI mouse than a mouse that cannot track properly.

And that guy is just trying to flame you with the COD thing like "COD is for low skilled players, CS is for the pr00000s", please don't feed the troll.

@OP

If you want the BEST, just get a Zowie EC-1 or EC-2.

 

BIGX333, got it right
pigloot, you do not. but you are a troll

 

Nice post BIGX333, +rep.

Now you got me interested..... but im a little confused, whats the difference between the EC1 n EC2, in pictures they seem the same, specs seems the same also, maybe amazon has some cross info, so im confused.

 

Size.

EC1 is bigger (same size as DA, 3.0) EC2 is smaller (more like 1.1 but with a 3.0-ish shape).

And the white version is glossy and the black has a rubber finish

 

What exactly is positive acceleration and how do you interpret that from the graph?

 

Positive acceleration is basically:

The faster you move the mouse more far it gets from the starting point.

What actually means that if you move a mouse that has positive acceleration for 30cm slowly and then repeat the process but doing it faster it will not end in the same point.

As you can imagine it defeats the whole porpuse of muscle memory/motor learning.

Negative acceleration is the opposite of course (the faster you move more close from the starting point it gets).

About the graphs, the mouse moving speed is represented by the horizontal axis and the movements the mouse detects by the vertical axis so both axis should increase linearly making a perfectly angle.

 

my logitech g500 comes in today.

i will let u guys know how much i like/hate it.

EDIT: look what just flew at my door.

 

Give it a week to get used to it before you tell us anything.

I'm so pissed I didn't grab at least one at $35. I got one for $40 weeks ago and thought a couple would be great as presents for my dad and brother.

 

will do! it actually feels very similar to my mx400, shape-wise, but has much better surface textures for better grip. i actually like my mice to have a bit of weight to them so i'm currently playin around with diff weight setups. there's some fine tuning to do but so far i'm loving it.

 

I received the G500 today, and so far so good. Set up just fine, now trying to adjust.

 

I sold my Razer Orochi today and I´m done with Bluetooth mice for now, I was thinking between the Mamba and G700 but I´ve seen reviews of the Roccat Kone+ and I´m quite sold on the thing.

I know it´s not wireless but I had my Orochi plugged in all the time, plus it has fully customisable LED lights and four extra weights.

YouTube - Roccat Kone Plus Full Review

Roccat Kone + Plus » Reviews - XSReviews.co.uk - Trusted Hardware Reviews

Cheers

 

Mamba has DPI scaling, jitter and z-axis tracking plus poor battery.

G700 has hardware acceleration due to using Avago 9500.

Kone + use Avago 9500 so... If you are between G700 and Kone+ just pick the one that has the better functions, shape, lights (LOL) because they're basically the same thing.

But I would recommend Zowie/MX518 .

 

Do yourself a favor, and get the Logitech G700. It doesn't depend on a flashy "g4M3rZ" image like colored LED's or gold-plated USB connectors to sell. It does lie to you like the Razer Mamba does about how 1ms" Razer wireless is somehow superior to other 2.4Ghz wireless mice, which are "stuck" at 2ms.

Get the Logitech G700. It relies on its features and performance to sell, not marketing and image. And it does a darned good job at what it does. Get the Logitech G700, and save yourself the headache of dealing with sub-standard mice.

 

The thing is that I dont mind about the "g4M3rZ" side of things, I like the LED lights, they look really nice. I´ve read extensive reviews on the 3 mice and the Kone+ seems the best option.

The software included rounds circles around the other two, the only thing that has me not decided to buy it yet is if the Scroll wheel has a no-click option like the Logitech mice.

Apart from that I find the G700 shape to be a bit awkward, I used to have a Nano VX but this is like a whole other league.

I also consider Logitech´s customer care which Razer lacks completely, I´m still waiting on a fix for the BT issue with the Orochi.

So I guess it´s down to the G700 and the Kone+. They both retail in Spain around 75-80€, talk about recession...

EDIT: Another review for the Kone+

http://www.vortez.co.uk/articles_pages/roccat_kone_review.html

 

I just read that the fingertip grip makes the mouse a bit awkward to use.

 

At the time the Mamba was released, the only other real alternatives for wireless gaming mice were the Logitech G7 and Microsoft Sidewinder X8, both of which had 500Hz polling/2ms response, so that wasn't a lie. God forbid they don't update the packaging based on their competition.

And stop acting like lights and gold plating makes it an inferior mouse. The fact is, the Mamba is a rock solid mouse, with 5,600 DPI and 1,000Hz polling/1ms response. The G700's only real statistical advantage is an additional 100 DPI, and I'm sure they chose 5,700 just to one-up Razer's number without any real tangible advantage.

My point is, the Mamba and G700 are both top-notch wireless gaming mice, so quit acting all high and mighty because you happen to prefer the less decorated one.

 

Actually Mamba is a decent mouse with 1.06 firmware when used with hard pad and a complete garbage when used with any newer firmware.

Like I already said it has Z-axis tracking, high lift off distance, jitter on cloth pads, and after they introduced the DPI scaling on 1.07 firmware it basically has positive acceleration (and a very bad one).

So if you gonna use it with the right pad (IronClad is basically the perfect pad for mamba) and with the 1.06 firmware and uses HIGH/medium-high sensivity it gonna work for you and along with imperator its probably the best option for high sensitivity + hard pad users.

But for medium-low/low/ultra low latency users it's a complete garbage.

G700 is actually 5040 dpi just like any Avago ADNS-9500 and the rest is just interpolation, they could make it 10.000 DPI if they want, just need to add more interpolation and BTW, higher DPI isn't an advantage at all at 2k+ unless you use eyeinfinity + crazy high sens.

Like i said the Avago ADNS-9500 has positive acceleration so it has to be avoided by the average low sens player as well but if you are a high sens player it gonna work pretty well since you will not notice it at all (high sens players don't reach high speeds while gaming so the positive acceleration make much less difference).

So... No... They aren't top-notch mices and actually G7 is a better mice than both IMO.

 

I'm on firmware 1.13...what exactly is Z-axis tracking? I haven't noticed any particular issue with liftoff distance, although I tend to minimize lifting off to begin with. I use an aluminum mouse surface. I can't say I've noticed any acceleration either, although I'm sure that's difficult to tangibly discern anyway.

I'm no engineer, so most of that is tl;dr, but I do use low sensitivity/high movement speeds. I dunno, maybe there is acceleration, but I can't tell, and it certainly doesn't affect my game. I do just as well as I used to with either of my old DeathAdders, and with my G9 and Sidewinder before that. /shrug

 

It's the ability to track the z-axis, the mouse "track" your moviment "up and down".

Take a look at the 1.07 firmware changelog:

Razer Mamba Firmware Updater v1.07


Release Log:
Changes from version 1.06
- Implemented Dynamic DPI Scaling technology to mitigate occurrences of jitter

There's your acceleration (the philips twin-eye don't have any but they implemented it in the 1.07 firmware, it's software based acceleration) so I would strongly recommend you to use the 1.06 firmware.

Actually I would say that you probably is a medium-high sensitivity player and think that it's low (well high/medium/low are denominations that depends on the point of view and since you use hard pad you probably aren't a low sens player), per example I use 0.8 @ 1600 DPI and I'm a low sensivity player, not a ultra low.

I'm just trying to clarify because like I said, while high/medium sensitivity players may not be affected by those issues it will completely destroy the low sensivity players experience.

So when a high sens players recommends a mouse for a low sens player it can leads to bad advices (and the contrary is true too since while a IME is a wonderful mice for low sens and low res players it just doesn't work for high sens/high res players).