Logitech or Razer mouse?

I actually haven't used a mouse in about 4 months since I've been using my netbook, but I'll be getting a new laptop soon so I figure I should get a new mouse as well. I will be doing some gaming on my laptop, but not 100% of the time. I'll be using it a lot for browsing the web, programming, etc. but I'm still looking at a gaming mouse. I would prefer a wireless mouse but wired is alright too. I will mostly be using it on hard surfaces such as a desk, not a bed or my lap. I also have relatively small hands (being female) so I'm not sure if a large mouse would be inconvenient for me.

1. Would it be dumb to purchase a gaming mouse if I wouldn't even be gaming most of the time?
2. Which mouse do you recommend of these (I'll take other suggestions as well. Preferably not over $50):
- Logitech G9 Laser Mouse [$40 at Best Buy]
- Razer Deathadder [$50 at Amazon]
- Razer Orochi [$70 at Amazon, over my preferred price]

 

hopefully you can try to see whats comfortable at a store. comfort is the best thing to look for.

 

The Orochi is the king of mobile mice. Wireless connectivity via Bluetooth if your laptop supports it, as well as high-performance wired mode. It's also quite comfortable for its compact size, and I imagine it suits smaller hands quite well.

If you're looking for more of a stationary setup, I highly recommend the DeathAdder. To this day, it's the most comfortable mouse I've ever used, although my hands are fairly large.

You don't have to be a gamer to enjoy the benefits of a gaming mouse...in any case, the main point is that it should be what's comfortable for you. Best Buy usually has a few Razer and Logitech mice on display for people to try out.

 

Hopefully you can find time to read the other threads on the forum and see what people say about the Razer and Logitech mice. They are very helpful and at the bottom of the page there is an option to allow you to see threads that have dropped off the bottom of the page.

Personally I like the Razer Orochi, and hopefully if you haven't got the time, other people will have the time to come to this thread and write about Logitech and Razer mice so you can make your decision.

 

I prefer Logitech, but it comes down to how you hold the mouse. That said Logitech warranty support is generally very good.

My Revolution's battery stopped charging properly although it still worked, I emailed them an explained and 4 days later I recieved a completely new mouse and docking station!

 

I like the performance and form factor of the Orochi, if your laptop has bluetooth I think it's no contest.

There are some really comparable alternatives by Logitech as well though so if you want to look for alternatives; well, there you go.

 

As Mastershroom and Meever say, the Orochi is unparalleled when it comes to mobile mice.

I think it was Mastershroom himself who described it as the best laptop mouse, period and also the best bluetooth mouse, period.
So if your laptop has integrated bluetooth, there's literally no contest.

 

I don't know if I ever put it exactly like that, but I do completely agree.

 

some mice to consider:
- logitech anywhere MX : awesome mouse!
- razer orochi : above said
- logitech vx nano : predecessor of anywhere mx but still rockin'

I wouldn't say no contest, each has its own plus and minus

 

Heh, the only minus I can see about the Orochi is the $80 price tag, but I can hardly begrudge them that.

 

I'm seeing more than that after I got my hands on another mice
especially when you're using wireless all the time
so to add, each person has his/her own plus and minus

 

Possibly, apart from the price, I would add that the sleep time on it is a little annoying and it would be nice if that could be tweaked.
Apart from that though, I think it's brilliant - plus it looks like something Batman would use


That said, of course you are right in that different people have their own preferences and, as always, your mileage may vary.
But I would still recommend it to anyone looking at either a laptop mouse or a bluetooth mouse and definitely for someone looking for a bluetooth laptop mouse.

 

I think I've decided NOT to go with the Logitech G9. If money weren't a problem, I would go for the Razer Orochi in a second. But I feel like that would be spending quite a bit for a mouse. FYI, the new laptop I will be purchasing (95% sure) is the Asus N61JQ-X1, and it does have integrated bluetooth.

And I'm still looking at other Logitech mice. I played around with my friend's Logitech MX 518. It was a little large but not horrible. I liked it, but I also didn't love it (not nearly as physically attractive either). My thumb also hit the down arrow button a few times accidentally (I'm not too used to using the buttons on mice). So just a little comparison, I'm not sure if that helps at all.

Ahh such a touch decision. Do I really want to drop $70 for a mouse? And thanks everyone for your help and input so far!

 

If the MX518 is a comfortable size for you, then the DeathAdder should be fine as well. I think you'll like the side button design a bit better as well; they require a bit more of a firm touch to click all the way. Nothing tiring by any means, but you're unlikely to accidentally click them.

Here's a couple side-by-sides I found between an MX518 and a (weirdly greasy) DeathAdder.

 

Nice keyboard And thanks for the pic comparison. The MX518 fit alright but I feel like a mouse of that size would be inconvenient to carry around. Also, would you say the Orochi is big enough / sufficient for only stationary use (not saying this is the case, but are these disadvantage then to its size)?

 

Haha, not my KB, I found those pics on Google.

Anyway, the Orochi is just fine for stationary use, but keep in mind the cord is only 3 feet long, so it's fine for a stationary laptop, but probably not a desktop tower.

Side by sides of the Mamba (same as the DeathAdder basically) and Orochi:

 

For a small mouse I like the Logitech VX Nano, its small, has ungodly battery life, can be found cheap and no hassles of bluetooth, just that awesome micro receiver.

Bluetooth is a hassle for every day use to me, I want my mouse to just work, not have to pair it before I can use it. I use bluetooth for my headphones and thats only on occasion, and I have no need to share that bandwidth with my mouse.

The V450 Nano is the cheaper basic version VX that you can also look at. Seen it on sale for like $15.00 before.

For my laptop I prefer a full size mouse. I use a G7 very comfortable, all the buttons in the right places, and again just uses a usb dongle so no bluetooth hassles, plug & play.

What really makes the G7 great to me is the dual batteries it comes with and the usb charger for the batteries. The #1 bane of wireless is dead batteries, and with the G7 it can never happen. You use one battery and when it finally dies after a long long time. You just put the other battery in, break out the charger and charge the dead battery for that one session, by the time you pack up your stuff its fully charged.

For the next week you can just use the mouse again, and when it dies, you swap the other good battery in. So basically I only have to take the charger out of my bag 1 time a week, and when I charge I can charge while I am using the mouse and computer I never had to take a special time just to charge the mouse to prevent problems.

I just sold a Razer Mamba and it would not work well for laptop use, it had just one battery so I would have to take my mouse out of my bag when I got home just to charge it to prevent it from dying on me while using it. Plus the wireless receiver is the charger in the form of a dock not very portable nor something you want to have to get out every time you use your mouse.

Clearly the Mamba is not targeted for mobile use though, but in the land of mobile I think Logitech has better offerings than Razer.

 

Have you ever actually used bluetooth for a mouse or for anything else for that matter?
You don't re-pair the mouse every time you want to connect it, in the same way that you don't re-pair a car-kit or headset with your phone every time you want to use them either.

To get my Orochi to start working with my laptop, I switch my laptop on, I flip the power switch on the bottom of the mouse and that's it, it reconnects auto-magically.


As for the point about bandwidth, people have raised this issue previously and people using bluetooth mice along with other bluetooth devices have reported no drop in performance when using them at the same time.
The bluetooth modules built into laptops support multiple devices being connected at the same time, so you shouldn't see a drop in performance.

If your laptop has bluetooth built-in ( as the OP's new laptop will have), how can having to waste a USB port possibly be more convenient?



Also, my Orochi is on the same pair of AA batteries as it was a month ago when I started using it, so I'm struggling to see how having to charge your VX Nano's battery once a week classes it as 'ungodly'.

 

I like my Microsoft Habu. Uh, yay? Almost the same dimensions as the Deathadder along with adjustable side button configuration. Not what you're looking for, I think, but just wanted to throw it out there.

The G7 looks like a good wireless mouse. I'd probably prefer it over the Orochi because the Orochi looks a little too tiny for my tastes.

 

He said its G7 that charges once a week (1 battery).. a vx nano can lasts months

anyway, I have use both bluetooth and usb wireless,, while bluetooth is great with no dongle,
coming back to "sleep-freeze" free days is more comfortable for me.
and the battery life is much better so I dont mind having a tiny dongle sticking around
I'll be back to bluetooth days when they able to eliminate that thing

 

Well considering its over 2 years old now and the batteries fully charge in like two hours I would say thats doing pretty good vs your AA's. Get a pair of rechargeable ones and keep them for 2 years and tell me how your doing, plus the G7 battery is small and light, less than 1/3 the weight of 2x AA. Thats half the reason I got rid of the Mamba it was too heavy.

Hmmm well lets see, yeah.... I own over 10 bluetooth devices and have many guides here on how to hack bluetooth drivers and things of that nature. I say I am pretty well educated in that department.

I have never had something re-connect just by turning it on. You do not have to do the "pairing" process more than once usually but I still always have to turn on the device, and then hit connect on my bluetooth software.

I dont like bluetooth mice, yes I have used them. They tend to have sleep issues and go through batteries too fast for me.

Yeah general devices, but with A2DP it can almost saturate the bandwidth on its own in my experience, add in a high performance mouse with probably 5x the normal polling rate and you may have problems. I dont know for sure just saying better safe than sorry.

You cant say your wasting a usb port, if its there use it. If your in need of the port then yes thats a problem, but I only use just 1 maybe 2 our of the 4. The nano reviver can just be left in, its incredibly convenient. Plus it works on any computer so you can use your mouse on other machines in a pinch that do not have bluetooth, no need to worry about bluetooth interference from other devices near by or strong wfi signals, also it will work in situations where even a bluetooth enabled laptop cant use its bluetooth say a virtual pc with no BT drivers or a Bart PE disk and other various similar circumstances.

Also your comparing a $40 mouse to a $80 one value comes into play when determining the best mouse as well as other factors.

 

I think Razer is overpriced
Why don't you give this mouse a look?
http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=2951

Some review here
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/cm_storm_sentinel_adv_gam_mouse/

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...orm-sentinel-advance-gaming-mouse-review.html

I'm current using it right now and it's fantastic. IMO it beats most of the Razor mice except for the mamba.

 

In the 4-or-so years I have been using my Logitech MX1000 and MX5000 with my desktop, I can count on one hand the number of occasions I've had to press the connect button or re-pair either of them with my computer ( excluding Windows re-installs, which would take the count to maybe a couple of dozen times).
I don't know what's different about the products you've been using but literally all I ever do is switch everything on and by the time Windows has loaded, it's all functioning.

Same goes for my Orochi on my laptop - it doesn't even have a connect button to press.

It's a bit like on phones, once a device is paired, you can set it so you have to manually re-connect each time but, provided the model of phone supports it, you can 'authorise' the device, meaning that when it's switched on and in range ( and the phone's bluetooth is on, obviously), the two automatically connect.

I've been using the same cheap NiMH AAs in the afore-mentioned Logitech keyboard pretty much since I got it and I've only been starting to see a noticeable decline in battery life in the past month or two.
I'm going to be replacing the batteries with Eneloops, which apparently can last much longer, which is also what I'll be using in the Orochi once it eats the Energizers.
So, yeah, I'll take that wager.

I was sure that just before I purchased my Orochi, someone asked about that very possibility and at least one reply said that they regularly streamed audio via A2DP whilst using the mouse with no apparent issues. Annoyingly though, I can't seem to find the thread. I'll try and have a look later on when I have a bit more time.
I suppose there is also the possibility that the bluetooth module in each laptop will perform differently so caution is always advisable, however I unless you find reports of people using the same model of laptop as you having such issues, I would say it shouldn't be a deal-breaker.

Could the same not be said about integrated bluetooth?

As for some of your other points, you can get bluetooth USB receivers that are just as small as the one your VX Nano uses.
You're not limited to using bluetooth mice and keyboards with laptops that have integrated bluetooth.

Of course.
But that's separate from the technical issues such as the problems re-connecting that you've described.

 

with eneloops, if the orochi's on > 10 hours a day, you won't get a month .
I used like ~12-15 hours a day and it only lasts a week

 

That's strange, I thought they were meant to excel in situations where there's a fairly steady drain?

 

on "Off" condition yes. but thats what I get with the mouse On. (of course I turn off the mouse after use)

 

i find if you turn off the wheel light of the orochi you get way better battery life.

even on my mamba i use too leave the mouse wheel on but ever sense i leave it off its getting way better battery life now problee would last couple days with out getting charge and i pretty much game heavy most of the time.

with the light on im lucky i could get 8hours out of it...


oh and about the repaireing or have too connect allways with blue tooth on my asus 1201n i just have too turn on the mouse and that's it.


and about razers being over price well they are kinda pricey but well worth it too me.

i paid 130 for my mamba and its the best mouse i ever used and i went threw alot of gaming mouses i even used a logitech 518 which i just didn't like didn't fit my hand right so i went with a razer diamond back plasma ed and kept useing that till i got my mamba sense i wanted wireless and never looked for another mouse again lol before on my desktop i used a logitech mx1000 which is a very nice mouse but the battery was getting old and well it just was getting kinda worn so i retired it from my gaming desktop too the family pc

oh and for the orochi it was pretty much the best 80$ i spent for my laptops its really good at gaming wireless or wired and feels really nice just like my mamba does before the orochi i was using the logitech revolution vx which is like the nano and also a nice mouse and pretty much went threw hell sense i dropped it out and still works but i needed a fast gaming mouse for my laptops and the vx doesn't hold a candle too the quality of the orochi it problee beats the orochi with battery life but im fine with battery life of the orochi sense i usely just carry a extra pair but i think it was about a month or so so far that i didn't charge the battery's and i game heavy on it.


so ya i prefer razers for my mice they cost alot for a reason

 

Vicious, I think something might be wrong with your Bluetooth driver or something...you definitely aren't supposed to have to re-connect the device every single time. With my Orochi, I just paired it with Windows 7 the day I got it, and when I turn the switch on, it just automatically works within about three seconds.

 

I think some of your Razor fans should try out more gaming mice. Razer mice are nice I'd give you that but for the price, there's something better.
@OP: Have you taken a look at the links I posted? I was about to pull the trigger for the Mamba until I saw that mouse.

 

I'm trying to find something cheaper now. I'm currently still looking at the DeathAdder and now the Logitech Anywhere Mouse MX, which is $60 on Amazon then a $15 rebate. I did look at the link you sent me. It seems pretty neat but still on the expensive side. I feel so picky, and I can't decide between wanting a wired one or a wireless one. Oh how a little mouse can cause such stress

 

$50 for a 5600 DPI mouse is expensive?
Then do you justify the one you posted in your first post?

Aside from the Naga and Mamba, I'm pretty none of other Razer mice beats the Cooler Master Storm Sentinel.

 

Well, I won't be doing really intense gaming for the most part I think. And the Cooler Master Storm Sentinel is $60, no? I'm trying not to exceed $50 now, that's the goal. Purchasing a mouse isn't super urgent right now either, and I don't need something with a very high DPI to be honest. 2-3k+ should suffice for me.

 

What is the most important things to you except the $50 price limit?

Do you want wired or wireless, large (desktop size) or small (netbook size) things like that.

Im a great deal hunter and can find you some good deals on a mouse when I know the one I should be looking for.

For now until you fill me in more, I think the VX Nano for $40 shipped fits the bill.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Logitech-VX-Nan...55QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMice?hash=item563a538267

 

hm, the price went up since I bought it.
but IMO, that $10 extra is really worth it.

 

Before my first DeathAdder, I owned a Logitech MX518 and G9 (including the 3rd grip that you buy separately) and a Microsoft Sidewinder.

That's entirely relative. My DeathAdder is perfect for me in every way I can think of, and if I ever change it for anything else, it'll either be another DeathAdder, or a Mamba since it's the same shape.

Anyway, OP, if you're looking to stay under $50 and want a good wired mouse, the original 1,800 DPI DeathAdder can be found for pretty cheap.

 

*headdesk* I'm so indecisive I will own a laptop that I will probably move around a bit (such as with the laptop on my lap on the couch) but stationary on a surface for gaming of course. I don't plan to be a hardcore PC gamer (currently I'm dying to play Dragon Age Origins) though I will probably play some FPS games. Honestly, I can't decide between wired or wireless. Each has their pros and cons, and I don't think I would be dissatisfied with either. If wireless, I want it to be either bluetooth or to have the little receiver thing (versus those large USB sticks). If wired, I'd want it to be a decent gaming mouse. I may also use the mouse on my netbook. The mouse may have to travel around. If it didn't have to travel at all, I would probably lean more towards wired.

 

Well go to bestbuy or something they have a large display with mice. Get hands on with some of them and if you find one you like. Dont buy it from there, go online and get it cheaper.

I like my MX518 its cheap, high performance, and comfortable. Its my desktop mouse and I choose it over the most expensive offering from Razer the Mamba.

For laptop use I always want wireless, so I use a G7 it does not have the micro dongle but I only put it in when I use it and its not in the way.

For my netbook I had a VX Nano because of the smaller form factor of the nebook and the smaller bag it only made sense to have a small mouse.

So basically I match the mobility of the platform to a mouse. A desktop never moves so the corded is the best choice, for the laptop a full size wireless, and for the netbook a mini wireless.

I also prefer optical over laser because it works on more surfaces. I dont carry a mouse pad with me I use it on my desk so the optical has an advantage in that kind of use. Both the G7 and VX Nano are optical mice.

 

I was looking at the deal the other day, also. Best Buy says it's an "outlet" item, though. Anyone know what that means? Hopefully it's not a euphemism for refurbished.

 

I see them and use them all the time at my Computer Science Club Lan party. We often switch mice with each other just so that no one will say "it's because you have a better mouse". Those mice you mention are really not as good as Razer mice.
That being said, it really depends on the users. Though for my case, the cooler master offers the same quality at a better price.

 

I won't have to worry about that since using Anywhere MX.. the name says it all
I dont have a glass desk, but I tested it on a mirror ..the surface where an orochi won't move a bit

 

Hmmm

Don't know where I will be when I need to use a mouse on a mirror. lol

My orochi is pretty top-notch

 

If you were at a coffee shop or bookstore that had glass tables...

 

Glass does not equal mirror

 

How about a strip club? Don't those places have tables with mirrors?

 

lolol.. bottom line the mouse can move in surfaces where some mice can't
just happened that I tested it with my other mouse, Orochi.
Even in "common" surfaces like my couch that has un-even surface it runs smooth, while other stutters.

 

HAHAHA...it's definitely important that I have a mouse that can function on those mirrors (or mirror tables) at the strip club. Good one. I'm fine either way, as I'm rocking with an Anywhere MX as well. Top notch mouse.

 

Just because a mouse can track on certain surfaces doesn't mean you'd want to use a mouse there. So what if the mouse tracks okay on open flames, blocks of ice or bundle of hay. What the hell are you doing using a mouse on "insert surface here" anyways?

 

Whether or not the mouse tracks well on human flesh is definitely an important consideration.

 

I only shared what I tested. People can judge whether it's informative or not