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    Looking to buy a new backlit keyboard and mouse.

    Discussion in 'Accessories' started by dukenukem, Feb 26, 2014.

  1. dukenukem

    dukenukem Notebook Guru

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    I am looking to buy a new backlit keyboard and mouse.I am currently using a mx518 mouse and microsft curve keyboard.I will also be fine with a wireless mouse too,as long as my new mouse will be close to the mx518 since i love it.
     
  2. radji

    radji Farewell, Solenya...

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    Look at the Razer series for your mouse needs. All of their mice have LED lit scroll wheels.

     
  3. aliensony

    aliensony Notebook Consultant

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    for the mouse i would recommend the razor naga.
     
  4. kent1146

    kent1146 Notebook Prophet

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    For backlit keyboar... I'm fond of the CM Storm Quickfire TK ( link). Cherry MX mechanical keyswitches, and choice of different LED colors.

    It's a tenkeyless design that chops off the NumPad. Tenkeyless is great for gaming, since it allows you to have your left & right hands in a more natural angle when using those peripherals.

    http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71-VQN3cfLL._SL1500_.jpg

    For mouse... if you must have backlighting, you can't go wrong with a Razer mouse. I'd recommend you stick with a Razer DeathAdder (blue LED) because of its optical sensor. Ignore the fact that it is lower DPI than laser mice (approximately 3500 dpi vs 8200 dpi). The reality is that you aren't going to use above 2000 dpi, so all of that extra DPI is pretty much useless. The benefit of an optical sensor (vs laser) is that it tracks much more consistently on different surfaces, whereas a laser mouse tends to prefer "perfect" mousing surfaces like a mousepad.

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  5. xnap30

    xnap30 Notebook Evangelist

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    I recommend the CM Storm Trigger.

    The new Storm Trigger Z is okay too but I love my original
     
  6. TriBeard

    TriBeard Notebook Evangelist

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    I like logitech's mechanical keyboard for a relatively silent mechanical keyboard. Their customer service has also always done right by me.

    The steelseries rival is also a good mouse (basically the same internals as the razer) but with just a little different hand fit and a decent amount cheaper. I've had mine for several months, and I still really like it.
     
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    shea2812 Notebook Consultant

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    If you are not gaming I like to recommend the Logitech K800. Kinda on the expensive side for a non-mechanicals but them scissor switches for them keys are sweet. Good if you are not heavy handed. Been using mine for more than 3 years and still no issue. Even the rechargeable batts are still OK.
     
  8. bahnzii

    bahnzii Notebook Consultant

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    Mobius 1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Never go with a VSCEL sensor -____-


    For mouse, I recommend the SS Rival (PMW3310, 1:1 movement, no accel or angle snapping/prediction) - LED color can be changed. Or the Bloody V-series mouse (PMW3350DK 2nd gen, same as SS Kana V2, minor prediction and no accel) - can compensate for FPS game recoil and have adjustable brightness red LED (lighting) - scroll wheel changes color with different recoil profiles.

    SS Rival: 55$
    V-series: 30$ (depends on location of buyer)


    Both sensor are optical, recommend an Artisan Hien / Hayate MID (black color) or SS QCK/QCK+ (not heavy/mass/team editions)
     
  10. bahnzii

    bahnzii Notebook Consultant

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    Mobius, great mice info...where are you finding the detailed info on the mice? 1:1 movement, accel, etc...???
     
  11. Mobius 1

    Mobius 1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    OCN forum, no accel/prediction/smoothing -> but mouse is tested with latest firmware (you'll have to "flash" the mouse).
     
  12. bahnzii

    bahnzii Notebook Consultant

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    Cool...thanks for the info!!
     
  13. Mobius 1

    Mobius 1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Consider the Avior/Naos 7K. It's also a solid offering ($55~) and reported to have much better QC compared to the Rival.
     
  14. TheSilverSky

    TheSilverSky Notebook Enthusiast

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    No love for the Sidewinder X6?
     
  15. yandexrhino

    yandexrhino Notebook Enthusiast

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    For gaming or not for gaming, you feel such important?
    For real, some mice not for gaming, but if you do want using it for games, it's still perfect though.
     
  16. kent1146

    kent1146 Notebook Prophet

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    Reviving dead thread.

    I'd you want a keyboard for gaming, get a tenkey-less board.

    CM Storm Quick fire Rapid TK.... Cherry MX switches (in multiple cherry switch "colors"), backlighting, and tenkeyless design.

    Every gaming pro uses a tenkeyless keyboard, because the NumPad is useless. A tenkeyless design allows tour left and right hands to sit Mich closer to each other, and rest in much more natural angles.
     
  17. Mobius 1

    Mobius 1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Jitters on cloth, negative accel on fast swipes. (A6010)
     
  18. saturnotaku

    saturnotaku Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    The Quickfire TK has the number pad but no arrow and modifier keys (pg up, pg down, home, end, insert, delete). Cooler Master recently came out with the Quickfire Rapid-i, which is tenkeyless and backlit. It's only available with Cherry MX Brown switches for right now, but MX Blue and MX Red models are planned.

    The Ducky Channel Shine 3 is another solid choice for a backlit mechanical tenkeyless keyboard. It's available with a number of different LED color and switch combinations, but it is harder to find, frequently going out of stock as soon as sellers get them.
     
  19. kent1146

    kent1146 Notebook Prophet

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    The CMStorm Quickfire TK uses a 92-key layout with a toggle mode to switch between nagivation buttons (PgUp, PgDn, Home, End, arrow keys, etc) and NumPad functionality.

    CMStorm Quickfire TK NumPad area (92-keys)
    cooler_master_cm_storm_quickfire_tk_backlit_keypad.jpg

    Turn NumLock on, and those keys act as a NumPad.
    Turn NumLock off, and those keys act as navigation buttons (PgUp, PgDn, Home, End, arrow keys, etc).

    CMStorm has an older model called the Quickfire Rapid (87-key), which did NOT have this NumLock toggle capability, and only had set navigation buttons (no NumPad functionality at all). CMStorm Quickfire Rapid-i uses this 87-key no-NumPad layout, but adds a bunch of fancy lighting effects for people that are looking for that.

    CMStorm Quickfire Rapid-i (87-key, no NumPad layout)
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    saturnotaku Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Doesn't change the fact that you contradicted yourself in your first post.
     
  21. ThisIsBrutus

    ThisIsBrutus Notebook Consultant

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    Having been a Logitech fanboy all my life, I recently decided to give Razer a shot with the Naga 2014.

    I ing love it.

    The quality of especially the (lid up) scroll wheel totally amazes me. I had never even considered once using the tilt-wheel/scroll button for any meaningful stuff due to its imprecision, and I usually even had it disabled on the vast amount of Logitech mice I have had.
    It never occurred to me that it could ever be "good". But it sure as hell is on my Naga, and a lot of other Razer mice I suspect.

    The only small downside is that my last mouse was the Logitech MX Anywhere, which literally can track perfectly on any god damn surface you throw it on, no matter what. So I was kinda spoilt by that, not using a mouse pad for a year or so.
    Especially when in the bed or on the couch, and the Razer just can´t do it that well, although it is still very good and if I´m only the browsing there is 0 problems, but if I´m gaming I will need a mouse pad.

    Now, I do play MMO´s where the buttons are designed to specifically come in handy, but I use them in every game. Especially Arma 3/Day Z has a ton of different key bindings, and the mouse has proved just as useful there as it has in say, WoW.

    Im not too happy about the software (Logitechs wasn´t any better), so I usually just use the in-game menu to change the key bindings. Works beautifully.

    Oh yeah, and the lighting. Not too keen about that. It´s not that I don´t like the green, It looks awesome as hell and would probably be one of the colors I would have chosen if there was any options. And that´s the issue, I want my rig looking good, and as I can´t disable or change the lightning on the mouse (at least I can´t find the option, I have been looking), my laptop light/notebook cooler/keyboard/we needs to be green as well, or something that at least matches. Luckily my laptop can do all kind of colors, so that´s not the problem, but I did have to go out and get a new laptop cooler because that one was blue all the time, without the option of turning it off (like the mouse). Maybe that´s just my OCD, but I think its pretty annoying.
     
  22. Mobius 1

    Mobius 1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    The Naga 2014 has a PTE sensor. I wouldn't even use that for web browsing.
     
  23. ThisIsBrutus

    ThisIsBrutus Notebook Consultant

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    Alright. I¨m using it for somewhat competitive gaming, and I have no issues with it what so ever.
     
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    Mobius 1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    0.1 k/d FPS gaming with the naga?

    PTE has several major flaws that prevents it from being usable: Z-axis tracking when lifting the mouse (cursor spazzes out tot he upper right and sometimes does so when pressing the mouse button over soft mousepads, cannot be fixed with software/firmware update), extremely sensitive to dust and vibration, and it has been known to have an axis "death" and loses vertical or horizontal tracking capabilities.

    Ditch the Naga if you're going to properly play.
     
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    ThisIsBrutus Notebook Consultant

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    I game competitively, I use a Naga, and I like it, and it most definitely is not the limiting factor when it comes to my gaming.

    Don´t care if it has a sensor made of horse sh_it if it fits those criteria.

    Oh yeah, and I need the extra buttons. So there´s that. Whatever I´m loosing by that oh so horrible PTE sensor is gained back by more efficient keybindings.
     
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    Ramzay Notebook Connoisseur

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    Elitist much? Sheer nonsense you just wrote there. That mouse works perfectly fine for pretty much anything you can do on your computer.

    You seem to mistake people here for professional gamers.

    Seriously, that has got to be one of the silliest statements I've ever read anywhere. Even cheap $10 mice you buy at Best Buy are just fine for web browsing. And most gamers I know (not pros) don't even know what a PTE sensor is, and they just use whatever mouse they feel is most comfortable. And guess what? Their gaming is just fine.

    They might not be "the best" mice, but like anything else, for the VAST majority of people, they work just fine. There's a reason the Razer Death Adder is one of the better-selling mice, despite the fact it has this "lousy" PTE sensor.
     
  27. kent1146

    kent1146 Notebook Prophet

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    To be fair, people who post on forums like this are enthusiasts. They are people that share a hobby of computers / laptops / gear, and want the absolute best gear that they can afford, regardless of what they need.

    Not everyone who buys a $150,000 Ferrari is a professional racecar driver. Sometimes, it's just some dude that wants a nice car and can afford the sticker price.

    Not everyone who buys a $80 mouse is a professional gamer. Sometimes, it's just some dude that wants a nice mouse and can afford the sticker price.




    P.S. The Razer DeathAdder mice use optical sensors created by Avago, not Philips Twin-Eye sensors that Razer uses in some of their other models. In general, mice nerds (like myself) consider Avago Optical = Good. Philips Twin-Eye = Bad.
     
  28. Mobius 1

    Mobius 1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    The DA 2013 (S3988) has excessive smoothing/input lag over it's predecessors (DA3G S3668, DA-BE S3886). Still not what I would call a good sensor if it's optical.
    The DA 3G/BE uses to have a very competitive sensor (though only at 1800DPi), but Razer messed up the DA 4G for the sole reason of cranking up the DPi.


    It works on office basis where accuracy does not matter much, but when you play FPS with it (esp on sensitivity greater than 25cm/360) PTE will absolutely be a hindrance to doing good in-game. And don't forget that old PTE sensors used in Razer Mamba/Imperator has dynamic DPi scaling which lead to massive negative accel problems.





    You probably play RTS, RPG which doesn't even need precision, and is doable with any cheap mouse.

    The Naga can be used to play FPS, but not online-competitive games where you shoot other players (not AI).

    People think that having 40 extra buttons, RGB led, and 999999dpi sensor will help them play better. In reality, it only holds you back.
     
  29. s1rrah

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    I use a Corsair K95 mechanical keyboard and love it:

    ...

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