Razer Lachesis Gaming Mouse

I love my Razer Diamondback. Someone at TechRepublic did a review of the Lachesis which looks interesting too.

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/righttool/?p=115&tag=nl.e138

 

So. Tempting. 2000dpi just feels slow when moving across 1680x2100 (stacked 1680x1050).

I'm not sure I can justify the price though. Maybe I can find someone to buy my mx518 and Copperhead... hmm..

 

BTW is the mx518 any good? I'm probably gonna pick 1 up.

 

yup, it's got a good feel
i'm loving the one that came stock with my G1s

 

the mx518 is amazing, i am using the one that came with my asus g1 but i don't mind the razer mice either.

 

You misunderstood DPI concept.... thats the biggest reason why microsoft and logitech are able to fool gamers....

DPI only determines precision, not how fast or slow your mouse moves....its the Perfect control and other factors which determine how fast your mouse moves without going out of control....

Read this thread by me: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=180656&highlight=mouse+benchmarking


Currently Razer Deathadder is the top rated mouse even though it has only 1800 DPI.

 

Where does it say on there that the Deathadder is the top rated mouse? I want to return mines just because I rather have the newer Lachesis

 

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1300293


Deathadder tops the updated benchmarking charts

 

haa...Lachesis is more for graphic designers ...4000 DPI is simply too high and unnecessary for any game currently...
unless u wanna frag with an eyeshot instead of just headshot.

 

I LOVE my Razer Lachesis. Feels so awesome. Had a MX518 before, which is great. But the extra "on-top-buttons" started to make squeaky sounds and became unusable after a year and a half.

The Lachesis just feels so natural for me. But then again, this is a mouse that you love or hate.

 

i chose the deathadder over the lachesis, the lachesis is probably better with the higher dpi etc. bu the deathadder cost my about £25, getting a lachesis would cost £60+

 

It is a tempting mouse, I agree. I currently have a Copperhead that I have been using for over a year and a half. I don't think I am going to replace it until it dies on me.

 

£60+ !!!??

Seems overpriced. Costed me £47 (595 SEK or €63) here in Sweden.

 

DeathAdder is the Top gaming mouse...Go for Deathadder ...even £25 is not cheap

 

microsoft sidewinder all the way.

 

i've heard that deathadder isnt that good. I think G9 is much better

 

who told u Deathadder isnt good? ...its the best mouse..
type 'esreality mouse benchmarking' in google...

btw DEathadder is used by the top counter-strike team fNatic & the top player in their clan f0rest .. he is the worlds top player

 

very overpriced, the main reason i didn't get it, this was quite a while ago though, and finding any seller of a lachesis was hard in the UK for a little while after its release

 

woot.com had a razer copperhead tempest 2000dpi laser mouse for 24.99 + 5 bucks shipping today... damn

 

The DPI race on mice is no different than the megapixel race on cameras.

General public is sold by the higher number, but any professional will tell you its not the number of megapixels that determine the quality of a camera. In reality too high a number is usually a sign of a bad camera because there is too much data being crammed into a little image sensor. Some of the best cameras out there have a much lower "megapixel" count but have the quality and thats what counts.

The comparison almost goes hand in hand. DPI is just how many "readings" the mouse makes in a inch of space go break out a micrometer and plot 2000 dots in an inch and look at the space between, if you think doubling that to 4000 dpi will give you increased accuracy I say your a fool. Just the humble vibrations from your hand are already large enough to take up several dots worth of space @ a 2000dpi setting, I cant even make a movement small enough at 800dpi to have it not register on my MX518.

What people are doing is going for a higher dpi, then in return having to lower the sensitivity setting in the game they play to compensate for how fast they move so that a twist in the wrist doesn't send them in 5 full circles.

You just counter balancing 2 scales, the DPI is the hardware level number for distance moved on screen/distance moved by your mouse. When you counter that with a lower setting on your PC or game it ends up being the same.

Think about it, do you think your favorite fps game is designed to work with a 4000dpi mouse? Your like cutting pixels in half trying to get so accurate, its much more like 800dpi or less in "real world" accuracy. When you lower the sensitivity way down and boost the DPI way up, you didnt just add more frames to your movement and got more accurate you just told the game to treat every 2 inputs as one. So at say 1000dpi moving the mouse 1 inch gives 1000 inputs and in game say that causes you to do 1 360 degree turn. Double the DPI to 2000 and lower the sensitivity in half, now you do the same 360 in the same distance but the game is only going to treat that 2000 dpi the same as before in the game by giving you the same movement as before with the same accuracy. This means unless you can do everything you did before with only half the movement accurately the move to a higher DPI was pointless.

People really are being blinded, its all common sense if you think about it. Until we are cybernetic beings with stabilizers on our arms with super human abilities we cant make use of 4000dpi input device and actuly use it any differently than a 1600dpi or maybe even 800dpi device.

When we start to have monitors that are well over 4000 pixels one way or the other, if you had a 1:1 map of dpi to pixels on screen you would span that whole monitor in 1 inch of movement. This means every input at the hardware level could actually do something on screen without being canceled out with a software sensitivity setting. Who here thinks they can accurately work there desktop with a 1:1 map? 1" for me moves my cursor about 1/4th of my screen if not less and I do everything from wrist movement, alot of people use huge arm movements especially gamers. A current HD resolution is 1920x1080 so about 1/2 of that example above, that means that 1/2" of movement would span your whole screen with your mouse cursor. What game do you think has been coded to work with a setting so extremely sensitive? You are already at a pixel per pixel level of movement so unless the game can move you less than a pixels distance the answer is... None!

lets not even get into the whole idea that things like internet latency are far more important to your aim anyways.

 

I can't believe I survived through reading that... but... if I understand correctly, using a high dpi mouse and lowering the sensitivity does not increase the aim at all? Then why is it that in reviews people say it feels better or something?

Also, since I have trouble with my mouse because with very small movements it doesn't even move and I set my sensitivity to 15 on cs(max being 20) a mouse with higher dpi would help yes? But, I wouldn't need to go overboard.

Lastly, if 800 dpi is sufficient, then what matters after that?

 

1.) Yes pretty much it has no effect depending on the quality of mouse you have now and the program/game your playing. I use 800dpi on my MX518 and its super accurate.

2.) It feels better because they had a crappy mouse, or they let people tell them what to think instead of finding out the truth. A placebo effect if you will.

3.) Probably, again its quality of the mouse more than the DPI.

 

ViciousXUSMC you are absolutely right & as i said other factors such as Perfect control, Frame skipping are ignored by normal users....
Ask any gamer n he ll tell u DPI doesnt even matter after 1800

 

would you mind explaining the things that matter such as perfect control and frame skipping? I dont even know what those are. And, what's better about the Death Adder than the other mice?

 

I did not even consider DPI when I bought my Copperhead, because I honestly don't care that much. Too much of a fuss is made over it as USMC noted, I agree with you. I bought my mouse based on its feel and quality. It fits my hand perfectly and I think the quality is great.

 

Totally agree -- DeathAdder is an awesome gaming mouse. I use it myself, tho I'm not that great a gamer. Funny you mentioned *f0rest*, I think I played once with f0rest but I rarely play CS nowadays. However when I spoke with some of the top R6 Vegas co-op players they seem to prefer DeathAdder to anything else. Interesting thing I heard from one of the best Vegas co-op player ( *natasha8384* ) is that she uses DeathAdder with the DPI set at 1800 and 1000 Hz polling rate but then lowers the general sensitivity to about to 5 - 5.5/10 instead of just playing at 900 DPI. I guess there is some benefit in doing that but it beats me what it is. hehe .. these top gamers have their own methods and reasoning . Regardless, DeathAdder is a superb gaming mouse.

 

Ever heard of sponsorship and marketing?

 

I was thinking the same, I know thats why those guys use the Fataility line stuff, because they HAVE too

 

Exactly... it's like:
- "Okey you will recieve x amount of $ if you only use this specific product."

and then the 14 year old CS-player:
- "OMG!! teh_gamer is using a ________ !!! I'm getting one tomorrow. Even if it costs $100!!! Then I'll be as pr0 as him/her"

 

i love my diamondback also, but who in the hell would pay 80 bucks for a mouse?

 

Well, recently, on a trip, I had a choice to pick up either the Habu, the Sidewinder or the Lachesis. After reading a lot of bad reviews on the Habu, I really couldn't decide which to pick between Lachesis (seemed a bit oddly designed and not well fitting to the hand) and Sidewinder (big enough for my big hands) so decided to buy both of them.

Came home and tried both of them.

And I must say, the Lachesis feels much better in the hand then I thought it would. Not only that, it feels much better.

The Sidewinder, just felt slow (for lack of a better word), or not as smooth, as the Lachesis.
The Lachesis is smooth as butter and is fantastic as a gaming mouse. I love to work even in Windows with it, its just so accurate. The buttons click very well and it has a nice feel to it.

Ever since I tried them both, the Sidewinder is sitting in my drawer completely unused while the Razer has been connected constantly to my computer.

On paper, the specs may be ridiculed (who needs 4000dpi anyway) but in practice, it just feels like a hot knife through butter. Operation is ultra smooth and it gives me the greatest control of any mouse I have ever used (previously, I have had MX1000, G5).

 

Everything you said is true. It goes hand in hand with the cameras.
And it's not about DPI it's about quality. But in this case, the Lachesis has great quality! But as you might say, the high DPI is unnecessary.

 

I bought a Razer Lachesis in the hope that it would be able to accurately read my desktop (which is pure white melamine) without a stupid mousepad, and it does--it works great!

But the thing has an industrial plastic outgassing smell that's nasty. I think it's from the soft rubber stuff on the top surface, but it permeates everything that was in the box, including the USB cable!

Does anyone else have this complaint? If so, does the smell go away after a while? The smell is the only thing wrong with the mouse, but it's really strong and annoying and I might have to send it back if it doesn't go away.

 

its a pity you didn't pick up the G9. the best Gaming mouse in the world.

 

i also have a lachesis and have never had any type of strong odor i could smell, i can't smell anything with it up to my nose.

 

"its a pity you didn't pick up the G9. the best Gaming mouse in the world"

It's not for gaming. I just needed something that could read the tiny imperfections in a glossy white desktop.

"i also have a lachesis and have never had any type of strong odor i could smell, i can't smell anything with it up to my nose."

How long ago did you get yours? Maybe they changed the formulation.

 

Yes indeed. The Deathadder is an awesome gaming mouse.

 

I've had mine for 9 months, minimum, not exactly sure cause it was so long ago.