Razer Orochi (2013) vs. Mad Catz RAT M

I'm looking to get a bluetooth mouse. I don't want to have to use a dongle. Initially, I was pretty set on the Razer Orochi, which can be had for $60, signifigantly less the the RAT M's $125ish asking price. However, Amazon has the glossy black RAT M on sale for $86, and I think the button layout of the RAT M (with its thumb stic and index finger button) look superior to the Orochi (really unsure about using my pinkie for two of the four assignable buttons). However, no one near me even carries the RAT M, much less has a display of it, and the only store near me that carries the Orochi doesn't have a demo model (though they have demo models of every single other Razer product they carry). Has anyone owned/used/seen both of the mice to offer some insight into if the RAT M is worth the extra $26? Are the pinkie buttons on the Orochi pretty easy to use, or should I view it as though it only has two programable buttons? I prefer the look of the Orochi and haven't had luck with Mad Catz prodcts in the past, but they seem like they have really upped their game in the last few years. I like that the RAT M comes with a bluetooth dongle that nests inside it in case I ever want to use it with a computer that doesn't have bluetooth, but for the $26 price difference I could buy a bluetooth USB dongle, it just wouldn't nest in the mouse. Any input would be greatly appiciated. I'll be using it for some gaming (Starcraft II mainly, some MMORPG, but not much) and school work.


NOTE: Don't tell me to just get a wireless mouse with a USB receiver. I am well aware of the differences in cost, performance, etc. of RF wireless vs. Bluetooth for mice. I want a Bluetooth mouse because I hate having to use dongles.

 

I recall reading somewhere that a guy who hates the wireless dongle found a unused USB interface on the mobo and modded the dongle inside the notebook shell.

If you're not willing to go that route, search other shops for demos. You need to make sure you're comfortable with the shape and grip first before looking at performance or features when shopping for a mouse, and the shapes of those two are quite different.

 

Eh, I've already tried everywhere even remotely close to me. I may just have to order one, if I don't like it return it and buy the other. Less than ideal, but it seems the only option.

As far as unused USB slots on the motherboard, I'm not sure if my laptop has any (ASUS ROG G75VX), but even if it did, I'm not willing to go to that extreme, at least not while I'm still under warranty. Once my warranty expires, that actually sounds like something I'd do. I'd love a dongle free G700s!

 

Even if there's no extra USB to use, a 1-to-2 USB hub would do it.

Ergonomically speaking, it's weird that you've mentioned Orochi, RAT M and G700s in the same thread. Are you sure you can adapt to both the small/light Orochi/RAT_M and the big/heavy G700s? G700s isn't a good choice for RTS if you ask me.

 

I have fairly small hands (I can count on one hand the number of adults I have met with shorter fingers than me), so I like small mice. However, I work in a high security environment where absolutely no non-agency issued electronics are allowed, and the mice we have are pretty large, so I have adapted.


Also, what mouse would you recommend for RTS? This is my first gaming mouse purchase, so I am not 100% sure what I am looking for

 

Hey there, I actually just got my Orochi 2013 today which lead me to this thread.

I'm a loyal Razer fan, I'll admit, and the Orochi is great for something really portable. The pouch and short wire it comes in is very handy. My other mouse is the original Naga, so it's significantly bigger with a longer wire, and no pouch.

If I had the choice, I'd choose the Naga to be wired up since I have noticed a control difference between bluetooth and wired.

As for RTS', I would actually choose the Ouroboros. That sensitivity button on the fly is great for the aiming needed in RTS'.

 

I believe it should be FPS?

 

Oh, right! My bad. FPS indeed

Somehow mixed up the two genres in my head. The Ouroboros still might be good in that case, but for anything non-MMO and non-FPS, I suggest the Hex. I have a feeling they're going to have a 2013 version though, unless I've missed it, I only see the older version.

 

You notice a perceptible lag in your Orochi? I cant tell a difference between it, the Mamba and a Lachesis. I might just have bad eyes

 

I do, sadly. I don't know if it's because of the Orochi using bluetooth while the rest (Mamba, Lachesis, Ouroboros, etc) actually have a wireless receiver. I'll try it out again more soon, but I really only use the Orochi for when I'm out and tight on space for my wired Naga

 

As pointed out some time earlier in this thread the Bluetooth connection is not the most appropriate method for connecting a mouse.

It also depends on the built-in Bluetooth device. If your built-in wireless card is crappy switching to the USB receiver may help.

 

As pointed out some time earlier in this thread the Bluetooth connection is not the most appropriate method for connecting a mouse.

It also depends on the built-in Bluetooth device. If the built-in wireless card is crappy switching to the USB BT receiver may help a bit.