Razer Orochi Vs Logitech Performance MX ?

Hi Guys, Now i just want to buy a good Mice for my laptop (see in the signature)
And im confussing of wich one of thoose a i should Choose, i think its important to mention that my laptop hasn't internat Bt, so i will need to buy a Micro Bt dongle like this one: Newegg.com - ASUS USB-BT21 USB 2.0 Mini Bluetooth Dongle


So... Wich option i should go and will give to me the best performance/confortabilty?


Logitech Performance MX : 99 Usd



Razer Orochi: 70 usd

 

I really like my Orochi. Its a great mouse. But the biggest down side is its just to small for my hands. I end up having to use the sharp edges of the mouse to hold it instead of the body and after an hour its insanely uncomfortable.

Other than that grip i have no real issues with the Orochi its responsive and has a good over all usable experience

 

Maybe you can to have a look on Roccat Pyra Wireless mouse.

 

Depends on what you like more, performance or comfort. The MX performance mouse doesn't have high DPI, and don't have wired option, but it's very comfortable.

 

About the High DPI, What do u think about to use it on a 1336x768 pixel display?

as an aditional info.. almost the time a use my lappy on my couch and bed.. =)
so?

 

1336x768 should be enough, I'm finding it a bit slow on 1920 x 1080.

The design though is very nice with the metal strip.

For Razer, personally I no longer care for that brand, the previous deathadder I've had has the button spoilt after around 1.5 years of use, yet, I click a lot etc but I still expected more quality, I'll see how M950 perform in the quality department.

 

I also very interested in these 2 mouse. Anywho one is bluetooth and other use usb. Whats Con/pros for these?

 

A lot of people love the Performance MX. I read a few reviews and they said that people though the MX was VERY comfortable, in fact, the most comfortable mouse they had ever used! They also loved the silky smooth tracking.

Can't speak for the Razer. But I'd jump on the tested and proven Logitech MX series mouse. And on top of everything you get a 3-year warranty to boot.

 

My vote goes to the Orochi. The most comfortable compact mouse I've ever used, and it can connect either via Bluetooth or USB cable. Adjustable DPI and 7 programmable buttons are great too.

 

I am looking for a gaming bluetooth mouse and besides the Orochi I don't see much competition out there. Is that really my only choice?

 

If you are specifically looking for a BT/Gaming mouse then yes the Orochi is the ONLY game in town.

 

If you have to get a bluetooth dongle, I would just go with the logitech performance mouse mx. i love mine, and the usb receiver is so small, you dont have to remove it when you put your laptop in a bag/slipcase. I've never remove my receiver since i got the mouse!

 

Thank u Guys!
I think i have to mention something else that is important.
Most of the time i used my laptop on my Bed, Lap and Couch..
So.. is the orochi technology capable like the Darkfield on Logitech Mouses, or Bluetrack on Microsofts One. ?
i dont want to feel ''attach'' to a moused Pad (But Probably i Will buy One, like the Razer Kabuto)

Sorry for my english =(

 

I've never had any trouble using my Orochi on bedsheets or couch cushions. However, if you do want to get a mousepad, I recommend getting a hard pad, not a soft one like the Kabuto. That way, you'll be able to use it on soft surfaces while still maintaining a rigid flat surface. I recommend the Razer Vespula, as it's pretty lightweight but sturdy plastic and comes with two differently textured sides depending on your preference.

I've been using the Orochi + Vespula combo with my netbook for a while when I browse in bed, and it works out great.

 

no, it doesnt have advanced tracking technology like darkfield/bluetrack.

 

...which pretty much only means it won't track well on mirrors and glass. Carpet, cushions, beds etc. are fine.

 

Bluetooth is NOT the same as the receiver given with the logitech MX mouse. You are confusing two wireless standards one being bluetooth and the other one being 2.4ghz wireless proprietary to logitech.

I did some research and the only bluetooth gaming mouse is the Razer Orochi.

 

I think you misunderstood him. I took it as this. If you need to buy a bluetooth receiver then you might as well just get the MX mouse because it includes a wireless usb adapter.

I don't think he meant the MX was bluetooth or even implied that.

I could be wrong though.

 

Well, for MX Performance, in wireless mode, the response speed is very fast, almost can't feel that it's a wireless mouse instead of a wired mouse. Not sure about Orochi's response speed in bluetooth mode.

 

Oh ok maybe that is what he meant. I am so used of people stating stupid and false things on these forums that I sometimes jump the gun too fast.

Back to the subject, the reason I want a bluetooth mouse is to have my USB ports open.

 

I once tested orochi and AnywhereMX on my couch that has un-even surface (it curved down a-little) and Orochi got a little stutter, anywhereMX still worked smooth.
But if you have even or flat surface you can use any mouse mostly.

 

OMG, i definitely will buy the Performance MX, is impossible to see your Avatar And no thinking how sexy it looks xD

 

I actually own both these mice and I would say you can't really go wrong with either.
I have the Performance MX for my desktop ( I know, I need to update my sig) and Orochi for my laptop and both are excellent mice but each has it's quirks.

I would say, of the two, the MX is the more comfortable to use and I do like the ability to switch form a clicking scroll wheel to a smooth one, I find myself missing that when I use the Orochi. The downsides are, IMO at least, the battery life is less than stellar and it's a it big to carry around.
The Orochi is perfect for my laptop needs, it's small, has a great battery life ( even using Eneloop batteries, which someone else said would be an issue), it uses bluetooth which means that I don't need an extra dongle. The downsides would be the fact that it's probably just a wee bit too small, at least for my hands, after a few hours using it I sometimes feel like I have just a bit of cramp in my hand. The fact that, when it does run out of battery, you either need to have a spare set with you or you need to have the USB cable with you ( which, disappointingly, it does not charge from unlike the MX) and given how awkwardly-placed the USB port is on it, a 3rd-party cable may not fit so to be on the safe side, it really does have to be the Orochi's own cable.

Like I say though, either way you're getting a quality piece of kit.

 

I've read some reviews on the Orochi and a common complaint was that if you want to use it for gaming on bluetooth, it will often lag because of the micro-sleep state it enters to conserve battery life. The fix would be to use it plugged in via usb, but that pretty much does away with actually having a gaming/bluetooth mouse. It's more of a gaming + bluetooth mouse then.. meaning you have a nice bluetooth mouse for when not gaming and a quick plug in turns it into a gaming mouse.

Here's the Amazon review I pulled this from: Amazon.com: Charlie's review of Razer Orochi Bluetooth Notebook Gaming Mouse

 

Taken from above customer review ^

Oh I so agree with this statement!

 

Just thought Id jump in here and say that personally I think the Performance MX is like the biggest clunkiest most uncomfortable mouse Ive ever seen and used...and YES I have big hands, dont understand how anyone whose not Big Foot could use this thing well.

 

I use/run both, the MX while at home and the Orochi on the road.

I like the Orochi's feel better out of both of them.
The MX is a great mouse too though and has no input lag like the Orochi.

IMO, if you were going to purchase a wireless mouse to use at a desk I would suggest the MX. I think the MX is too big to take on the road so the Orochi wins out there. But the Bluetooth kills it at times especially in twitch shooters (if you plan to game on it).

I use them on my Macbook Pro, so I can't comment on their windows performance.

 

Each to their own, I have quite short fingers and middlingly-large hands but find the MX very comfortable.
Comfort is too subjective for our opinions to have any bearing on the OP's, only he can say whether or not he finds the MX comfortable.

 

They are different type of mouse, the orochi is a claw grip type mouse, while M950 is a palm grip type mouse. It depends on which type you prefer, after using diamondback for 2 years, which is a claw-grip type, I decided that palm grip is for me, I use computer for a long time, using a claw grip for 10-12hrs give me finger cramp...

 

The Orochi is not a claw-style mouse; it's more of a hybrid palm-fingertip grip.

 

hey guys!
i'm looking at that mouse also.
i'm interested in big comfortable mouse for work and for some gaming. the performance mx fit my need very well, but i still have the one question. if there's any lag i can see in games (cod mw2 for now, not a player, but like to shoot sometime).
I don't want orochi, since it's too small for me, but i'm interested in any wireless mouse with lots of buttons.

if mamba has such a tiny reciever like mx performace have, i'd definately go with mamba.

 

Both are 2 different products. The mx is more for desktop and stationary while the orochi is more for laptops and mobile use. If you carry your mouse around go for the orochi and if you intend to use it only on your desk and occasional mobile use go for the mx.

 

I'd use my lap on the desk any way, and put a mx performance in a bag is not a problem at all. all i want to confirm, has a performance mx any noticealbe lags in games for non gamers =)
or may be there's any similar variants with tiny reciever and big comfy mouse.

 

I just received my orochi over the weekend and I'm having some mixed thoughts about it. When I first took it out of the box and looked at it in the original razer box, i was thought to myself "hmm, not bad, looks like it'll fit my hand"

then when I took it out of the box and actually saw it i was like hmm... pretty tiny; and I don't have gigantic bear hands.

The mouse that I have been using is a microsoft intellimouse explorer, nothing too fancy, just any ordinary wireless mouse that I used for some basic gaming. Nothing ridiculous, but soon will be once I receive my laptop tomorrow and load up mw2.


I am an all out palmer and I was able to just cup my whole hand on that without a problem (comfortably)

Playing around with the orochi freely (since I don't have a laptop until tomorrow), I can't palm it. Like what shroom said, it's sort of a hybrid. I can....."finger palm it?" if that makes any sense. (right handed) my ring finger feels oddly out of placed and just definitely doesn't feel how it did on the other mouse.

My pinky finger just ends up dragging around on the mouse pad and it's tough to use my ring finger to even try and function the right side 2 buttons. The pinky finger is just out of the question for the buttons.

This is definitely a mouse that'll take some time to get use to if you're an all out palmer and never finger-tipped/clawed in your life.

I'm sort of considering returning this back to amazon to a sidewinder. I'm not sure though... I'll definitely play around with it some more when I get my laptop tomorrow. But as of right now I'm not too happy about the feeling of the mouse, however it does have everything I want, the name Razer, wireless and wired, controllable high dpi, super slick movement.

By all means don't get me wrong when you read this, I freakin love the mouse, my hand and my usage style "just does not" work with this mouse. No matter how many different ways I tried holding it and there's only so many ways you can try; until it comes down to the point when you should reconsider the purchase. I would DEFINITELY buy a mamba, I just don't have the extra 60 or so to shell out. So the next best bet is the sidewinder x8..

I don't know, really don't. Not sure what to do. I want to love the mouse more since this is my "first razer" mouse in my life and I was totally stoked out about buying.. It's just a little disappointing since it doesn't work with my usage style.

Let me just add on also, my mom has the anywhere mx and my brother has the performance mx. I don't remember how the anywhere mx feels but I do remember the performance mx felt great when my brother showed it to me.

I read reviews on both and even though the performance mx feels awesome for those who palms and just overall, unknown dpi and not as much control as like what you can do with razer's dpi settings and such.

Originally I was gonna return the orochi for the performance mx, but leaning more towards the sidewinder x8

One more thing. When I get my laptop tomorrow I'll upload the pics from my camera and you can definitely see how it looks with my hand for both mice. I took some pretty detailed pictures so I'll get those up asap tomorrow night.

 

I also have huge hands, so the compact Orochi took some getting used to, and of course it's nowhere near as comfortable as my full-size DeathAdder. But to their credit, it is definitely the most comfortable mouse I've ever used in such a small size. The buttons are perfectly placed; I can easily hit all of them without having to shift my hand around.

As GtsXracer mentioned, I grip it by keeping my fingers mostly flat on the surface of the mouse, and the back of my hand off of it. It works nicely once you get used to it.

 

IMO I doubt it's a hybrid, even my diamondback which is bigger is claw-style, orochi is even smaller.

Another thing I absolutely hate about diamondback and orochi style is that they are ambidextrous, meaning same design on both side of the mouse = uncomfortable usage. I am a right hander, I am not going to suddenly change to become a left hander one day, so I want a mouse made for me perfectly, not an ambidextrous that doesn't benefit me in anyway, and only serve to save the producer's cost by just needing one design for both left and right handers.

 

I just got an Orochi, and I love it. I am ambidextrous so it is sometimes useful to switch hands. I don't have massive hands, but I find it comfortable. It is quite claw like, but I like that.

 

It's not the size; it's the shape. The contours of the Orochi make it more suited to palm/fingertip-style gripping. You can claw it, but I find that slightly awkward on this mouse.

Not a huge deal to me, as it's still quite comfortable. Perhaps you'd find the DeathAdder more enjoyable...they even make both left and right hand editions. As far as I know, that's the only mouse with such an option. Usually for lefties it's ambidextrous or GTFO.

 

Yes, I've used my cousin's Deathadder and it's comfortable as well, just that I need a wireless mouse with micro receiver now, and I no longer want the gamerish design of razer therefore didn't buy the mamba.

It's 1500 DPI max, and you can customize and store 2 DPI settings to adjust on the fly.

 

There we go. Not high enough in my standards.

 

Well, then again it's wireless, 1.5k dpi for wireless is quite high already.

 

So I went to check out the Orochi today and it's quite small but it feels nice. I am going to use it for a few days and see how it feels. If I find out it's really too small I will return it for the Mamba.

The MX is also very nice, I've had it for a while now.

 

Now i'm having second thoughts about the orochi. Its really small and can cramp your hands. I know you guys say performance mx is good for desktop but what about laptop use? I don't think the mouse itself is that bad but unsure about the accessories you need to carry. Can someone explain good/bad reason to use mx on the laptop?

 

Have you tried an Orochi yourself?
Because, if you haven't, you've no way of knowing whether you'll find it uncomfortable.

The downside of the Performance MX is the size, it's a fairly meaty mouse.

 

The down side to MX is the size, but for me, I'm already carrying a semi-desktop replacement, I don't care about how big is the mouse when my notebook is not really slim and light anyways.

 

I have gorilla paws and sausages for fingers, and the Orochi does not cramp my hands at all.

 

I'm starting to get use to it now. Played some mad MW2 when I got back home just for this weekend since one of my classes finished.

Here are the pictures I said I'll post a while back.

Comparison of the orochi with my old intelliexplorer 2















Palming Comparison


Palming Comparison


Palming mouse - underside view


Palming mouse - underside view


Overall hand placement when palming comparison


Overall hand placement when palming comparison




Hope this helps for those who were wondering the samething as I was about the size to your hand. This should help you out

But as said before, it's a mix of how you hold it. I still palm it with my pinky finger dragging which is okay, not a big deal. I slightly finger tip my index and middle finger for the left and right buttons.

I takes time to get used to it, I thought I was going to return it; but actually love it now lol. The availability to change the settings and such is great for all games and daily usage.

 

I did a search but cannot find anything about disabling sleep mode. Can you disable it? and is sleep mode part of the hardware or software? Seem like this is a major compliant on the orochi.

edit: Its seem that you can't disable the power saving mode.

 

That's just how Bluetooth mice are. It's also why they include the 3-foot cable for 1ms no-sleep wired mode.

 

All bluetooth mouse have sleep mode? I know the orochi reconnect the BT which is the reason for the lag.