Razer Orochi Vs Logitech Performance MX ?

The left button on my Logitech v270 started going out, so I started searching for a bluetooth mouse that was equal or larger than it, preferably a full sized contoured/ergonomic bluetooth mouse in a black or silver color, but that's apparently not currently available by any of the major manufacturers (blue or white V470 or the boxy M555B). After seeing so many 9+ out of 10 reviews for this mouse on various gaming sites, plus the color of the mouse & LEDs matched my Alienware M17x, I decided to spend the $70. I wish I would have continued my search.

Issues:
Movement/Sleep Lag: As some others here have stated it goes to sleep too quickly (less than 5 seconds of non-use) & you will get a minimum of an inch of cursor jump while it wakes up. I have 2 of the Dell branded logitech 5 button bluetooth travel mice, the previously mentioned Logitech v270, plus one of the old black & silver Dell branded Logitech bluetooth keyboard & mouse combos (I LOVE the design of this mouse & would buy a dozen of the mouse if it was sold separately & still available, just to have backups). None of those bluetooth mice have the sleep mode/lag problems of the orochi. That is especially sad since the orochi is supposed to be a gaming mouse.

Scroll Wheel Lag: Since I am moving the mouse when it occurs, I classify this scroll wheel problem as separate issue from the sleep mode/lag mentioned above. Basically, I can start scrolling down & after 2-3 spins, it will stop scrolling for an additional 2-3 spins before working again. I can swap over to another of the bluetooth mice mentioned above & repeat the process on the same page, with no lag in scrolling.

Comfort: I don't have huge hands. The orochi is definitely wider than the Dell 5 button bluetooth travel mouse, but still feels smaller than the v270 it was supposed to replace. All I want is a bluetooth mouse with a full sized width & full sized length. I want to rest my palm on the back of the mouse & let my fingers fall naturally across the buttons on the front of the mouse, not "claw grip" it with my fingertips. The flaps across the bottom sides of this are especially sharp, making it extremely uncomfortable to hold, due to the "claw grip" needed. When using the side buttons, I noticed that the top edge/battery cover has sharp edges too.

From the manufacturer's website:
"The Razer Orochi brings mobile gaming mouse standards to new heights with its small form factor and bleeding-edge technology."
I thought "bleeding-edge" was figurative, until I discovered how sharp the edges actually are.


While I like the appearance of the mouse, I just can not overlook the issues mentioned above. Some might love it, but it just is not comfortable for me & since I know the technical issues with it sleeping/lagging are not inherent to all bluetooth mice, I am returning it.

Since I am not having any luck with my needs in a bluetooth mouse, I am considering going back to "regular" wireless & buying the Logitech Performance MX while my bluetooth mouse search continues...

 

The performance MX is awesome for the laptop if you have larger hands... you know what they say with guys with big hands big gloves.... anyways,,i prefer it over the mamba because of that stupid docking station u will have to lug around,,,, vs the performacne that has a tiny tiny USB reciever... that mamba is far from portable

 

So I love my Razer Diamondback, and I have used a claw-grip since I got it (I have built up a callous from resting my wrist on my mouse pad and maneuvering with my fingers) so would I be better going with the Orochi? At the moment I can get either the MX or the Orochi for the same price, and the sale lasts for only a day so I need to figure out soon.

The screen res I have is 1920x1080 so a lower DPI might be an issue with the performance mx, and the laptop has built-in bluetooth so there is a USB port to be saved. I game a fair amount but not a ton and mostly single-player games (just cause 2) but also play some online games such as BC2 and MW2.

Overall, I think I might like the shape of the Orochi better, but I haven't touched either mouse so I can't say for sure. I suppose I could buy both and see which one I like better and then return the other.

Let me know what you guys think

G

 

The Orochi's DPI on BT isn't much better than performance MX's. And as mentioned earlier of the problems, performance MX is better IMO if you are going to use without wire for majority of the time.

The wireless signal on performance MX on the other hand is amazing, I was trying to see how far the mouse could be used at because I was looking at my cousin playing WoW in raid, while I'm on my account in instance with my friend power leveling me, and I don't want to move whenever instance reset. Anyways, long story short, the mouse could be used at around more than 10 meters away from the computer, it's like a remote control.

 

So what about grip? I use a claw grip regularly, is this even possible with the performance?

 

I got my Orochi set up a couple of weeks ago and the batteries that came with it are now completely dry (Energizer 2xAA).

I´ll try some Duracell ones and see if turning the shiny blue LED off does improve battery life. Might as well get some Eneloop ones with a charger.

By the way, I never had a gamer mouse and this one is way too fast for me on 2000 DPI, let alone set it to 4000 DPI. I have it set to 1500 DPI on wireless mode.

The only big flaws are:

- Stupid Razer 3 seconds sleep mode. I hope they release a firmware that adresses this.

- Not being able to change sensitivity on the fly on wireless mode.


Cheers

 

^^

I emailed support for a possible fix driver/firmware in the future for the orochi. They made it seem like it's not possible nor are they going to attempt to make it adjustable.

 

You can already change DPI on the fly in Bluetooth mode.

 

I´ve read in many places/reviews that "on the fly DPI adjustment" can only be done in Wired mode.

Plus I´ve tried many times to do it on wireless but no luck, it appears that the information is written on Synapse only when it´s plugged in.

Regarding the response from Razer about the BT sleep issue makes me not want to buy anything from them ever again.

 

You can only change the settings for the DPI intervals in wired mode, but once you have them set to whatever you like, you can change DPI on the fly in wired or wireless mode.

 

Haha, so I think I'm going to end up getting both and returning the one I dont like as much. Thanks for the info guys

 

Heh, that's definitely one way to decide (and in my opinion, the best way if you can afford it).

 

that's why I gave up waiting for the patch.
I bought the mouse mainly for wireless use, that's why I ditched it
and it's like coming out of stone age into modern civilization again lol

 

damn that sucks that they don't plan on fixing the orochi bt jerk/lag

 

So I picked up both (unfortunately I didn't read the fine print on Newegg's restocking fees so I'm down an extra $12 for restocking/shipping, but oh well) I picked up the anywhere mx (rather than the performance) cause it went on sale for 40 bucks with a MIR as well as the orochi.

And I've decided on the Anywhere MX. For one, the comfort was so much better with the performance. It molded perfectly to my grip. (I have a claw grip, so I am actually using this mouse as a desktop mouse and it works beautifully. I don't like big mice.) The MX is almost ambidextrous, but it has enough difference on the right side that it fits me perfectly. The orochi had a sharp edge (it is fully ambidextrous) which was uncomfortable.

The only gripe I have with the Logitech is the DPI. Tracking is great. The glass tracking actually does work. (I tested it on the packaging of the orochi and it still managed to track well) But I'm guessing the DPI is around 800. (Correct me if I'm wrong) Coming from a Razer Diamondback I'm noticing some...say...sluggishness. I've turned up the sensitivity (and I always run with acceleration on full) but it just doesnt feel the same. I'm sure I'll get used to it eventually.

Finally, I'm having difficulty adjusting to the weight of the two AA batteries in the mouse. I'm used to a light mouse that allows me quick movements and such, and the batteries add so much weight. I've taken out one (you can actually run it on one as advertised, you just have to replace more often) and it's better, but just as a caveat to those switching from a desktop mouse to a battery powered mouse, these things can get heavy.

 

I think the sluggishness you're feeling has more to do with response time than DPI. As far as I know the MX has 125Hz polling/8ms response time, while your Diamondback has 1,000Hz/1ms.

 

+2

1ms makes a big difference especially when you're use to it and then going to a slower mouse. Imo.

 

I might be a little late here but im gonna posts my thoughts and personal experience with the orochi. Im sorry to say but the 2 weeks i had it with me, i hated it, the 2 second sleep mode, bluetooth mode freezing, poor tracking, awkward shape and tiny size.

The orochi, even when wired has very bad tracking, i tend to lift the mouse of the mat from time to time and most mouse i use can track about 2 milimeters of the mat, but my orochi didnt, which made my turning speed in the fps games slow.

The Orochi is definately only for the claw grip, which i have never use, and cant use, and caused my k/d ratio to go lopsided. Maybe i needed more than 2 weeks to get use to it, but hey, going from palm grip and claw grip and back is not so good for a gamer.

The other problems are explained by name. Ive never tried a performance mouse but from the looks it is much more comfortable. Just letting you know of my bad experience with the Orochi. Thankfully, Razer mouse are in such high demand, that people will take it of your hand for a little less than the price of brand new. So goodbye and good riddance.

 

thoughts and consideration taken from my end, I was exactly the same. Straight up hated the mouse. After a month of using it I started to get use to it and was like hmm ok.. 3 months later after really getting use to the mouse with mw2; I originally started to claw it, but I can palm it now.

The palming that I was originally use it, I don't think I can go back to how I use to palm. Since my old microsoft mouse was so big, my hand was always arched up bending my wrist which after a while hurts.. Since this mouse is so small, my wrist is completely flat on the desk and it just feels more true to how palming should feel. At least to me. Definitely don't have an aching wrist like before. I still can't claw since that was never my style but I can do it for short periods of time.

I would also have to agree that it definitely made my k/d ratio all out of whack trying to get use to it; but back up to game and changing the dpi on the fly, just love it.

I completely underestimated this mouse, love it. Just hate it how button5 broke last week and now I got to send it back. Went out so fast cause I had it bound for sprint/hold breath which is used constantly.. oh well

 

from my end, I was totally not the same! lol
Straight out loved the mouse .
But after a month or two of freezes (I bought it to be used wirelessly, or else I won't even looked at it) I was like .. WTH!!
Bought AnywhereMX, used it and no freezes..it's like: where have I been all this time! haha

 

The micro-sleep was and STILL is an issue, and there is no way of fixing it. It is extremely annoying even for just windows browsing, leave it for 2-3 seconds and it micro sleeps. Move the mouse to wake it up and the cursor jumps. VERY ANNOYING. I own both the razer Orochi and the Logitech performance MX, the MX doesn't suffer from the micro-sleep. If it weren't for the micro-sleep the Orochi would be the perfect Bluetooth mouse. I just can't fathom why razer would implement such an annoying feature, i mean isnt this supposed to be a gaming mouse? Wouldn't a 2-3 second micro-sleep mean the difference between life and death in a video game? I would definately recemmend buying the Orochi from a brick-and-mortar store to try it out for yourself to see if the micro-sleep will bother you. It definitely bothers me.

 

hey don't say it, people will use the same answer again & again:
"bluetooth is not for gaming, use the cord" ;p

 

Thanks for your response crayones, i understand that using the cord would eliminate the sleep issue for gaming. However i find that using the wireless mode for web browsing is annoying because of the micro-sleep and if i have to be plugged into the wire for gaming and web browsing (100% of the time) that sort of defeats the bluetooth completely. Anyways thats just my two cents, some will love it some will hate it.