Razer Orochi vs MX Anywhere 2

Hi,

I already used vx nano (1 year) and refresh mx anywhere (now) but each time the mouse was down due left click or unstable wheel.
So I hesitate to keep Logitech and take the new Anywhere MX 2 or Orochi ( 2013 or 2015).
I hesitate between these two there if you can give me your advice for those who have already tested these 2 mouse.

The price is not a problem because I have a discount of 35€ on Priceminister ^^

Thanks

 

Assuming there were no other problems with the Nano or MX, just open up your existing mouse and polish the micro switches a bit.

 

Julianinho, it's a tough call, but I would go with Razer. My Razer Mamba has been running for years, next to a Razer Lycosa keyboard, both very reliable.

I have had many Logitech mice/keyboards in that same time. Much more of a use and throw away or part out - for batteries usually. I still have some Logitech gaming keyboards with the popup screen, which have been the longest lasting - it's the mice that seem to pass away.

I recently got a Razer Ouroboros – Wired / Wireless Gaming Mouse, and that is a work of art.

The Razer Orochi, $69 for wireless/wired seems like a bargain.

A new model Orochi and an original Orochi is still for sale, for the same price. What's the difference?

The Mamba 2012 and new Mamba have $20 difference, along with a pretty light show on the new Mamba, what is different with the Orochi's?

Please come back and let us know how you like whatever you get

 

I had already tried but that had nothing and Logitech send me a mx anywhere refresh to replace the other (warrantly) but I don't want to keep.

@ hmscott : In priceminister the Orichi is 25 € (with my 35 € discount) is good i think
But I don't know if Orichi is comfortable as Mx Anywhere and the same size, because I don't want a large mouse and the Mx Anywhere has a good size.

 

Julianinho, have you put an Orichi in your hands?

Approximate size: 99 mm / 3.90 in (Length) x 67 mm / 2.64 in (Width) x 35 mm / 1.38 in (Height)

http://www.razerzone.com/store/razer-orochi

 

Thanks for info !
As the logitech I know not too bad but I have not yet tested the razer range so this is all new.

If people here who test Orichi can give me their opinion it would give me an idea on "comfortable", "battery life" ...

 

Julianinho, here is the MX Anywhere 2 spec:
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/mx-anywhere2

Mouse (height x width x depth): 2.4 in (61.6 mm) x 3.9 in (100.3 mm) x 1.4 in (34.4 mm) Mouse Weight: 3.7 oz (106 g)


Trying something new is fun, and you might find you like it. The sizes don't look to be all that different...

 

Yes it's true, sizes seem like !
And if I do not like the Orochi I can always change it and take Anywhere mx 2

Thanks !

 

..well, battery life is in the realm of "months". Depends on use, but it's pretty efficient, considering how well it actually works on bluetooth. And there's no ambient drain when it's not used, and if it's in wired mode the circuit is actually turned off. Wired mode also is very, very good - response is extremely solid. Battery won't last as long as the logitech mice, though.

On the plus-side, it's probably the best mouse ever made in that size It just doesn't wear out in the same way you're used to for the logitech mice, and it's simply consistent overall. No edges, no nasty angles you end up with holding it in, no missed clicks, no different weight on different sides of the buttons, that sort of thing. So I doubt you will be unhappy with it. I mean, I have friends who look at the mouse and laugh, and would never buy something like that for gaming use. Basically, if you're used to a wired gaming mouse, it's a curious compromise you don't have to make. But if you still want something wireless in that size that still an acceptably high level on input and comfort, it's a good pick.

 

Yes i prefer wireless and small mouse, thanks for your opinion

 

The battery life of the 2013 Orochi is terrible. Using it 6-8 hours a day, I'm lucky to get a week out of it with rechargeable batteries. It also goes to sleep after only brief periods of inactivity, so I constantly have to wake it up to get it going.

It tracks well, and I do like the form factor and included travel case. I got mine basically brand new but with distressed packaging along with a set of 4 rechargeable AA batteries with charger for about $40.

I'd be curious to see how the new Orochi performs, but I would definitely stay away from the 2013 version unless you can get it on the cheap.

 

saturnotaku, these high performance wireless mice, like the Orochi and the Mamba / Ouroboros burn off a charge at about the same rate.

You can't compare them to the months you get on a charge for consumer wireless mice.

The Orochi should recharge by plugging in / hanging on the dock provided. I get in the habit of putting my mouse up on the dock each day, if I forget for a few days, no problem.

I used to burn through up to 3 battery changes a day for the first gaming wireless mice, like the Logitech. One in the dock, one pre-charged, and one in the mouse in use.

I bought extra Logitech custom batteries just so I could keep running wireless

 

I just receveid the Orochi and the mouse is pretty good, it is true that it's changes to logitech .
But I don't like the fact that the mouse will sleep automatically and you must click to wake up the mouse, you know a way to disable this ?

 

You actually can't. They didn't put in any settings for that transparent to the user (it's part of the firmware, though). ..honestly, I sort of wanted the timeout to be shorter, so I was thinking about trying to alter the firmware, but gave up. >_> But yeah, kind of an oversight.

Holy crap. I've had the same batteries for 5 months. ..I need to play more games. Btw - if you drop the polling frequency to, what is it, "only" 500hz, there's some voodoo that makes the drain go down to less than half (and note that bluetooth can only ever update at 125Hz, the increased polling rate over that runs towards the mouse's internal processor and probably aims to avoid jitter in I'm guessing two ways - to keep the bt hub active and smooth out the reported position, while avoiding sudden low-rate/inaccurate reads on the sensor. Still doesn't actually poll the bt hub any faster than 125Hz).

 

I know full well that you cannot compare the battery life of a gaming mouse with a consumer one. The original poster was inquiring about the Orochi 2013, and I was posting about my experience with that mouse. Nowhere in my post did I make any statement comparing its battery life to a consumer-grade wireless mouse.

The Orochi does not come with a dock and does not support charging over USB.

 

saturnotaku, you didn't say consumer grade mouse, I did

You said it had bad battery life, and yet it lasts longer than the wireless gaming mice I am used to using.

What were you comparing the battery life to, if it's not a gaming mouse, then I call it a "consumer" mouse, what do you call non-gaming mice?

What were you comparing it to? Do you have a recommendation for a wireless gaming mouse with longer battery life?

Too bad about not supporting charging in the mouse. That's a good idea with the separate charger for rechargeable batteries - but typically rechargeable batteries get worse longevity than standard non-rechargeable batteries.

That might account for your experience with lower than expected battery life, lower than quoted in specs, by using rechargeable batteries.

The new Orochi quotes 60 hours gameplay, 7 months standby.
http://www.razerzone.com/store/razer-orochi#tab1

The previous Orochi quotes 30 hours gameplay.
http://www.razerzone.com/store/razer-orochi-2013#tab2

At least the new Orochi has 2x the battery life

 

Julianinho, it looks like it is non-adjustable:

"Q. My Orochi keeps going into sleep mode very quickly when used in wireless mode, can this be adjusted?

A. This is done in order to extend the battery life of the Orochi and cannot be adjusted."

"Q. How much battery life should I expect from standard Alkaline batteries in the Razer Orochi?

A. Approximately up to 2-3 months of battery life with normal usage."

"Q. Why does the batteries in my other Bluetooth wireless mouse last longer than when I use them with the Razer Orochi?

A. Unlike other standard Bluetooth wireless mice, the Razer Orochi has been optimized for general gaming usage and supports 125Hz polling with 8ms response even in wireless mode. In additional, the Razer Orochi is equipped with Razer Synapse which consumes more power than the standard Bluetooth wireless mouse."

"Q. How do I get rid of the slight delay when the Razer Orochi comes out of the sleep/standby mode?

A. During sleep mode, the Razer Orochi enters a low power mode where the consumption of battery life is reduced to a minimum. The delay you are seeing is due to the mouse reestablishing its Bluetooth connection with the computer. The wireless response time of the Razer Orochi has been optimized to be very quick, 8 milliseconds. However, you may notice a slight delay while Bluetooth connection is being reestablished. For the supreme gaming experience and competitive gaming we recommend using the Razer Orochi in wired mode."

Lots more q's / a's:

Razer Orochi 2013 Support
http://www.razersupport.com/gaming-mice/razer-orochi/

There isn't a support q&a for the new Orochi that I could find... but here is the main page for the new mouse, when an FAQ gets started it should show up here:

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-orochi

 

Thanks for info !
As the logitech I know not too bad but I have not yet tested the razer range so this is all new.

 

Logitech G602.

Another topic that I am well familiar with, but even standard alkaline batteries did not last much longer, maybe a day or two tops, at least in the Orochi I'm using. Rechargeable batteries are far more effective in anything beyond the immediate short-term.

You'll also have to excuse me if I take Razer's battery-life claim for the new Orochi with a giant pile of salt.

By the way, if you're responding to someone and using the quote function, you don't need to start off your post by addressing their user ID.

 

Thank you for the info.
But eventually I will change the mouse to another, I have unfortunately not been conquered by this mouse ^^ not to mention the fact that she goes to sleep quickly I also some bug with bluetooth, sometimes the mouse hand alone top or it stops and sleep two seconds , I tested on another pc andit's the same problem.
I 'm going on another mouse
I think i will tried the new MX Anywhere 2 or another if you know a small mouse like orochi or mx anywhere.

 

Mad Catz Office R.A.T.?

 

I don't like the look, I prefer something sleek , less sophisticated ^^
I think the mouse what I seek doesn't exist...

 

@Julianinho haha - yeah, looks like a mousetrap. But it's surprisingly comfortable to use. Might want to give it a try if you're shopping around anyway.

 

Why not !
I like to be suprised.

 

Julianinho, yeah, that sounded annoying to me too, especially since it isn't adjustable.

I didn't have that problem with the other Razer Wireless mice because they use their own receiver, not Bluetooth.

I guess moving forward that would be something to look for, a usb dongle based receiver instead of Bluetooth.

The Razer Mamba is a nice mouse. Not too big, not too small. And high quality build, wired and wireless pretty much performed the same. The Dock is the radio dongle so the radio was close to the mouse instead of in the back of the PC/laptop.

Razer Mamba - The world’s most precise gaming mouse sensor with 16,000 DPI
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-mamba

The Razer Ouroboros is new and also very nice, a bit heavier, with side feet / guides that are magnetically connected - you can remove them for mobile - and a nice feel.

Razer Ouroboros – Wired / Wireless Gaming Mouse
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-ouroboros

Let us know what you end up finding that you like

 

Yep is true i think i will be used a mouse with receiver and not bluetooth, i have some problem with bluetooth

I have seen a few day the razer mamba, i like it but for my small hands is still to big ^^
The orochi or mx anywhere have 90mm or 100mm (size) is perfect for my hands and the mamba is 120mm i think.

I have search but I haven't found other good little gamer wireless mouse (with led is bonus like orochi).

I think i will be tried the mx anywhere 2.

 

Julianinho, did you get a chance to slide it around? To hold it? The Mamba is only 3mm wider than the Orochi, the Ouroboros is 4mm wider.

Mamba

• Approximate size: 128 mm / 5 in (Length) x 70 mm / 2.76 in (Width) x 42.5 mm / 1.67 in (Height)
• Approximate weight: 125 g / 0.27 lbs
• Battery life: Approximately 20 hrs (continuous gaming)

Ouroboros

• Approximate Size: 122 mm to 137 mm / 4.80" to 5.39" (Length) x 71 mm / 2.80" (Width) x 42 mm / 1.65" (Height)
• Approximate Weight: 115 g / 0.25 lbs. (without battery) to 135 g / 0.29 lbs. (with battery)
• Battery life: (Approx) 12 hrs (continuous gaming)

Orochi

• Approximate size: 99 mm / 3.90 in (Length) x 67 mm / 2.64 in (Width) x 35 mm / 1.38 in (Height)

 

Almost a cm higher, though. For those of us who like to use a technique where we have a steady weight in the middle of the palm while gripping gently forwards with crouched fingers, the width and height is actually pretty important.

 

It's because I have become accustomed to always have a small mouse as : 90.5 mm / 3.56 in (Length) x 63 mm / 2.48 in (Width) x 34.5 mm / 1.36 in (Height) => mx anywhere and mx nano is even smaller ^^

Is approximate same than Orochi, for me the "lenght" is good and not big than the other 128mm (mamba) or 122mm (ouroboros).

I think that's what makes me hesitate, otherwise I would have probably taken the mamba I think

 

I'm late to this discussion, but here are my thoughts below.

If you're looking for a wireless gaming mouse:

1) Razer Orochi is a waste of money. On Bluetooth, it operates at a paltry 125Hz polling rate and 2000dpi. It only has gaming-grade performance in wired mode (1000Hz 4000 dpi). And even then, it has pretty bad battery life. And this is anecdotal (and not data), but you'll find many many many stories of people whose Razer developed some kind of defect within 18 months of ownership.

2) Razer Mamba, Orobous are also wastes of money. They perform well, but rely on laser sensors (which have inferior tracking to lower-dpi optical sensors). In addition, their short battery life means that those mice are going to be spending a lot of time being charged. Those types of mice are better-suited for wireless use with a desktop computer, rather than a laptop where you'll be moving it around. And this is anecdotal (and not data), but you'll find many many many stories of people whose Razer developed some kind of defect within 18 months of ownership.

3) So what DO you get if you want wireless gaming? Logitech G602. Gaming-grade performance, uses Avago optical sensor (AM010), which is considered to be one of the few "perfect" mouse sensors by hardcore mice nerds due to no acceleration and great Z-axis behavior. Runs for about 1 month on 2x AA alkaline batteries in gaming mode, and about 3 months in non-gaming mode. If you go with this mouse, I actually recommend you put 2x AA Lithium batteries in it. Battery life of around 3 months on gaming mode, and will change the weight profile from heavy rear-balanced (on alkaline batteries) to lighter center-balanced weight / drag profile.


If you're looking for a wireless mouse (not specifically gaming-grade, but something that can be used for gaming):

1) Logitech Anywhere MX / Performance MX series are a bit overkill. The two features on that family of mice are its anywhere tracking (which I'd argue is relatively useless. When do you ever actaully mouse on bare glass?); and the newer Anywhere MX 2 has side-scrolling capabilities. Again, that feature is something I'd consider to be a nice-to-have, unless you are doing a lot of spreadsheet work.

2) So what DO you get? Logitech Marathon M705. It's your straight up, basic function, highly reliable mouse that gets the job done. It's the Glock handgun of wireless mice. Battery lasts damned near forever (3 years on 2x AA alkaline batteries), and has performance that is "good enough" for desktop productivity or gaming use. I've probably bought 10 of these in my lifetime, 3 for myself in different remote offices & laptop bags I use for work, and the rest given to friends or relatives that have asked me for recommendations on mice.

Again, this is a wireless mouse where I'd recommend putting Lithium AA batteries in it, to change the weight profile from heavy rear-balanced to lighter center-balanced.

 

kent1146, the reason I didn't list Logitech mice was because of the size requirement.

The last time I picked up a Logitech mouse, I don't recall the model, but it was wireless / rechargeable / gaming.

When I got to the cashier to pay, I had to wait in line, and flipped open the viewing cover, and that mouse was frickin HUGE

I had never come across a mouse from Logitech I didn't like, until I saw that monster. I don't know what they are thinking trying to sell a gaming mouse that big, but I didn't buy it.

Now that I look at the support/product page, it was the 700s, the G602 you suggested is also larger than the 700s in length:

G700s Rechargeable Gaming Mouse - size listed in support page:
http://support.logitech.com/product/g700s-rechargable-wireless-gaming-mouse
http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/g700s-rechargeable-wireless-gaming-mouse

• Height:47 mm or 1.90 inches
• Width:84 mm or 3.30 inches
• Depth:129 mm or 5.10 inches
• Weight:147 g or 5 ounce

Logitech G602 - size only listed on support page
http://support.logitech.com/product/g602-wireless-gaming-mouse
http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/g602-wireless-gaming-mouse

• Height:44 mm or 1.73 inches
• Width:83 mm or 3.27 inches
• Depth:139 mm or 5.47 inches
• Weight:107 g or 3.77 ounce

For some reason Logitech went HUGE with the latest gaming mice, very weird.

Good idea on the Lithium batteries, I use those too when a rechargeable doesn't perform well, or last long.

It may be that a wider field is going to have to be explored for smaller wireless rechargable mice

Maybe even go through older listings and find a previous generation mouse that fits your size requirement, and check ebay / amazon for old stock being sold new.

 

..still think you should consider one of the Mad Catz mice. They tend to be the last of often many stops for people who never were happy with the more standard and easily approachable mice.

(Btw - a technical thing that people often run into with expensive mice, is that they turn the sensor dpi up to 9 billion, and expect the output to be super-accurate and responsive. But depending on the surface the sensor is reading, how the sensor hardware works, etc., what you end up with doing at very high dpi reads is to read noise, or extrapolating into a data stream that is much more dense than what the sensor can actually pick up. So you get these curves that are extremely dense and smooth, but that tend to increase the travelled distance, or miss gaps (or make up information). And you get this floaty, somewhat laggy experience. That ends up looking pretty disappointing when put next to even just a completely standard mouse with 600dpi or even less than that. That's often why "optical" sensors are talked up a lot - the way they track movement is often less dependent on the unevenness of the surface, so these impossibly high dpi curves - that really are completely fake and don't actually map real information in the first place - are just less quirky. Even though you would get a comically more accurate set of points than what the screen can actually map out per pixel on any kind of sensor on a less ridiculously high dpi-count.

But with for example the razer mice running in bluetooth/wireless, that effect will easily turn up very fast, because the 2.4Ghz band is full of noise in the first place, and the initial 8ms response time is fairly significant. But if you add sensor input discrepancy on top of that, with the larger traffic packets not getting there, you get that floating trail in sometimes bursts, depending on how much radio noise there is - which you can't see, unlike when you're just using the mouse on an uneven surface, etc. And you can't really solve that with a super-busy dongle solution either. So wireless gaming tends to have a fairly low point before you experience diminishing returns both on sensor accuracy and sensor reading point density generation. I.e., you really do often get the same or better results on a random wireless mouse. And then next to that, any wired gaming mouse, no matter how standard, will be miles better again. So are a lot of expert opinion on certain wireless gaming mice that are a bit weird, in the sense that people test on the highest dpi mode, compensate by turning down the sensitivity in-game. And then compare that to a less, but sufficiently accurate mouse that for example rely on extrapolation in software to generate more reasonable movement curves, by just generating the needed extra points and picking out the points that deviate more than normal. So even though the expensive mouse might get a better result on the same or a reasonably much higher dpi setting, they compare the floating result from sub-noise reads on the expensive mouse against the extrapolated and therefore less floaty result on the cheap mouse.)

 

I buy the mx anywhere 2, when i received the mouse i would do a feedback here

 

Laser mice aren't inferior because they are perceived as a minor incremental upgrade over optical mice. Laser mkce are inferior to optical mice because they ARE inferior to optical mice. There are several threads over in hardforum and overclock.net from hardcore mice nerds that talk about this topic.


Laser sensors suffer from acceleration issues.

Laser sensors suffer from z-axis tracking issues.

Laser sensors are much pickier about being on "perfect" mousing surfaces (ideally hard textured mousepads) Optical sensors track on a much wider range of mousing surfaces.

The only advantage that laser mice have is that they can get ridiculously high dpi (5,000 to 12,000). But that is useless, since most people don't run their mice over 2,000 dpi anyway. Inflated dpi numbers are just a marketing gimmick for people who think "bigger number means better", just like the digital camera megapixel race.

I've bought probably 12-15 mice over a 3 year period, because I'm a mouse nerd. And I've spent up to $150 on mice. Even if someone *gave* me a high end laser mouse, I'd sell it and get an optical mouse anyway. The fact that optical mice are cheaper than laser mice is just an added benefit.

And specifically, I'd never buy a madcatz RAT mouse. I owned a Madcatz RAT 7 several years back when it first came out. It uses the Philips twin eye sensor, which is considered to be the absolute worst sensor you can find due to acceleration and z axis issues. That tells me madcatz cares more about making gimmicky, flashy mice than they do about making products that are good at their primary purpose. It also doesn't help that the mouse sensor became defective after 6 weeks. Spending $90 on the " office" version of that mouse is something I'd never do.








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That's a very good point.

I was just saying that if you have a reasonably good sensor set at a density somewhere lower than where it starts generating noise, that part is usually more significant for how responsive the output feels (than how theoretically super-accurate the sensor is). And that depending on the surface (or the 2.4Ghz band noise from wifi or other bluetooth devices) that should be a lot lower than 2000 dpi

That basically it doesn't matter what sort of sensor you have if it's just reading noise, or generating a data-stream of input points that are essentially completely redundant and more or less just "based" on the sensor input (even if the sensor cmos is generating points that seem valid enough). And I mean, if you get down to it, an "optical" mouse operates on the same principle as a "laser" mouse - it photographs a tiny image of the surface, and then the lens and the cmos routines for reading the image after that determines what you get of movement difference in the tracking. Usually with the practical result that optical mice are less sensitive to how uneven the surface is, since the sensor tracks movement differences even if the image it captures is mostly static (after all - none of the optical sensors you can purchase for money are much more advanced than what you get in a camera for detecting whether the flash should go off. Super-advanced optical tech at a dentist I talked to had a sensor measuring just a couple of pixels in the captured image, for example. I was imagining some massive height-maps where you generated thousands of huge resolution images a second, or something like that, so you could map the surface of the teeth with insane precision.. and it really just looked at the difference between four pixels or something like that, and repeated the process several times).

While a smaller pinpoint read would tend to be more accurate, but have no useful input at all when it's out of focus (meaning that even a surgical laser would be utterly useless as well - again explaining how a laser with a /plastic lens/ in a mouse, or at least some composite material is actually sufficient for tracking movement on a mousepad, at a high enough resolution to be massively more accurate than what you need to reproduce a smooth curve on a 4k monitor..).

So yeah, higher dpi count is obviously bs. But it just struck me that when I look at reviews, they often read as if what they're really comparing is one set of sensor input noise against a different set of input sensor noise.. That they compare one mouse at 9000dpi on a wooden surface, against another mouse at 18000dpi on plastic, and get "sort of the same but different, and now I'm going to make up a bunch of stuff about sensor tech", if you know what I mean..?

 

I have received the mx anywhere 2 and is a good mouse.
Good battery life and comfortable, I think i keep this mouse and i think for my use on the pc is better than the orochi

 

I had an Orochi. The BT radio on it died after about a year of use. I ended up with an uber expensive wired mouse that wasn't even comfortable for gaming. It was the last Razer product I will ever buy. Logitech makes quality peripherals. Go with the MX.

 

kosti, so you were able to make the delay/lag with the BT connect/timeout work well enough to live with it for a year? That's promising

All electronics has a percentage fail over time, sorry to hear yours failed.

My Razer Mamba is still working several years later, so they can last. So are my Razer keyboards, they are the wired kind though.

But beating the Razer's for longevity are my Logitech keyboard / wireless mice, they are all still working. I haven't bought any new Logitech keyboard/mice since I started getting Razer.

I helped a friend return a Logitech MK520 keyboard/mouse combo, the mouse died after 2 months. Replaced it with the newer Logitech MK715 Combo for $69 minus credit for dead MK520, Fry's rocks

 

Ugh. So I decided to pull out my old Razer Orochi (about 2 years old) for a recent business trip I took. I put 2x Lithium AA batteries in there, grabbed the microUSB cord, installed Razer Synapse software, and headed to the airport.

1) The mouse's rubber coating had turned into this nasty, sticky rubbery texture.
2) The tracking on this thing is terrible. Would skip tracking even when tracking on a soft-surface cloth mousepad; even after ensuring that the imaging sensor was clean.
3) Left mouse button periodically doesn't click.

This is about par-for-the-course for me and Razer products (3 mice). They're flashy with LEDs and all; but they have junk build quality.

For this current trip, I went back to my trusty Logitech Marathon mouse (M705). Turned it on, and it just works. On tables, on paper, on cloth mousepads. It's the glock handgun of mice.

 

kent1146, I love products like the M705, so good they still make them 5 years later

Logitech Wireless Marathon Mouse M705 with 3-Year Battery Life
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wireless-Marathon-3-Year-Battery/dp/B0034XRDUA

Thanks for the heads up

 

I had the same thing happen on my Razer Pro Click Bluetooth mouse. I tried cleaning it with alcohol, naptha, and all sorts of solvents. I ended up having to sand it down with scotch-brite to get rid of the stickiness. I ended up throwing it out. I had that mouse for at least 3 years though. I never had this problem with the Orochi because it only lasted one year.