Razer unveils new gaming sensor.

As the thread name suggests, Razer has replaced the sensors on their Imperator and Mamba with their new 4G dual sensor which is capable of 6400 dpi and quoted by Razer as "the next level of gaming precision as it takes advantage of both an optical and a laser sensor"

I do find this interesting, if it really does what it says then we probably have a new king of gaming sensor. It also seems like Razer are not ignorant to the fact that their current Imperator and Mamba uses the junk 'Philips twin eye' which some members here claim there is nothing wrong with it.

Here is the link to the 4G: The 4G Dual Sensor System | Razer | For Gamers. By Gamers.
Would like to here from all of you about what you think.

 

I saw that on Facebook...definitely looks interesting. Apparently you can manually choose your lift-off distance with this sensor, which is nice.

I think I might pre-order the new Mamba...it starts shipping next week with this new 4G sensor, as well as apparently a 15% longer battery life, "improved" dock, and multicolor lighting, not to mention it's $5 off.

Not that there's anything wrong with my current refurbished Mamba. I'll probably just sell it and make up some of the money for this new one.

The Imperator is also $5 off and will be shipping with the new sensor and a rubberized thumb grip, although without multicolored lighting. I know that's a deal-breaker for garetjax

Also, for anyone interested in the original Mamba, it's now down to $95 on Amazon, presumably to clear stock for the new one. Not a bad price at all; I paid $70-something for my refurbished one from Woot.

 

Hmm well I had my mind set on the old razer, but this one looks to be a substantial improvement...

Pity the the price is kinda ridiculous

 

does 15% better battery life really justify selling your current Mamba for the new one? You said yourself that you dont lift up your mouse and the current sensor problems doesnt affect you. Or is it because of the multi-colored lighting?

 

I just like to have the newest and best If I can get a decent deal on my Mamba, there shouldn't be too much overhead for the new one; used Mambas can still go for $100 on eBay...although I imagine a bunch of them will pop up soon, as I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to sell off the old one and get this new "4G" Mamba.

The main advantage to me with getting a brand new one would be the warranty; my refurb Mamba only came with 90 days warranty, which has long since passed. Granted, I haven't needed to use it yet *knock on wood*, but it would still be nice to have that 2 years of coverage.

To be completely honest, my four year old 1,800 DPI DeathAdder is still enough of a mouse for me; at the low sensitivity settings I play at, I hardly need 800 DPI.

 

Sometimes you want the newest and the best, just for the personal satisfaction of knowing that you have the newest and the best.

 

Hey Kent, since you're the resident self-proclaimed "hardcore mouse nerd", have you heard anything about this sensor?

 

Haven't personally used it, so I can't say much about it.

Most of the people in the other forums that I visit don't seem that impressed by it. General consensus is that the sensor is out to win the "numbers" war (2 sensors is a bigger number than 1 sensor; 6400dpi is a bigger number than 5700dpi; so therefore, it *must* be better!).

I think that mice sensors have reached the point of diminishing returns. I think that where mice makers can innovate is in the of mouse accuracy / precision (e.g. Logitech Darkfield imaging sensor, which lets you mouse on glass) or configurable ergonomics (e.g. Cyborg RAT 7/9, and adjustable weight mice).

 

I'll definitely agree with that.

The way I play most games (around 20 inches for a 360 degree turn), the minimum useful DPI for me is 280

To actually need a resolution near 6,000 DPI, you'd have to be doing a 360 in literally less than one inch, which is pretty much impossibly high sensitivity. That said, I love my Mamba for its shape and the convenience of wireless. Hell, if they made a wireless DeathAdder with the same optical sensor it uses now, I would jump on that.

 

YES. <3 Deathadder

 

Hmm, I was just thinking the other day how cool it would be to have a RED led version of the Mamba to match the DA:O version of the Blackwidow Ultimate.

Too bad I didnt keep that keyboard due to its defects though so I lost all reason to want this mouse.

 

too bad they put it on existing model instead of introducing something new.

I wonder if this is a marketing gimmick since dual sensor is not new in mouse technology

 

Of course it is a marketing gimmick. People are already familiar with the mamba name, and sticking this "dual sensor" in the description looks impressive. Not that it matters much what they call, I prefer to see how it performs compared to other leading mice..

 

I think Razer has enough mice by now; any more different form factors would just get redundant. I'd personally prefer to see them keep improving their existing models rather than come out with a new shape every time they change one thing.

Take the Lachesis, for example...people were originally not very impressed with its 4,000 DPI laser, which supposedly had issues. A while ago, Razer re-released it with the 5,600 DPI laser used in the Mamba and Imperator, and added multicolor LED lighting. What they're doing with the Mamba and Imperator now is pretty much the same thing.

As for the dual-sensor thing, I know there are existing sensors of that nature (like the Twin-Eye that the current Mamba uses), but as far as I can tell, there's never been anything that combines two completely different sensor technologies (laser and optical) into one sensor.

I don't think any mouse has literally had both an optical and laser sensor at the same time, nor user-adjustable lift-off distance or the ability to discern the type of surface it's on and calibrate accordingly. If this system works as it's advertised, I'd hardly call that a gimmick.

 

yeah I know there are only dual laser and dual optical, but the concept is there.
and the final outcome, if as advertised it'll be mouse that can run on all mousemat, not all surface
meaning it doesn't surpass the latest tracking technology.

and looks like someone beats razer in marketing race
Exclusive: EpicGear MeduZa Hybrid Dual Sensor Technology Gaming Mouse
probably same engine / component ..

 

I personally don't care if my mouse doesn't track on glass, and I can't imagine any serious gamer cares about that either. Glass tracking is great for office mice. But anybody serious about gaming probably isn't mousing on a bare glass desk.

 

I'm not all crazy about glass, the big picture is,
there is a single sensor that can track on all surface.
If one is willing to produce that with 3200 dpi and beyond, dual optic-laser is meaningless.

 

You have a good point. Tracking on glass is nice, but not really useful to most of us. An optical/laser combination has never been done before, so it has the potential to be very effective.

 

Mastershroom is correct. Tracking on glass is not a very desirable feature for gamers, since gamers don't mouse on glass.

Tracking on glass is more for the travelling business user. When you travel, you quite often run into things like glass desks in hotel rooms, polished granite countertops in hotels / airport lounges, etc. These are the surfaces that require glass tracking, and the people who need these mice typically aren't gamers.

 

when we have the sensor that tracks on all surface,
we dont really need an optic-laser sensor , no ?

 

The all-surface tracking sensor is the Logitech Darkfield imaging sensor.

Nobody knows the actual DPI, but people guess it is around ~1800dpi. It is currently in two mice (Logitech Performance MX and Logitech Anywhere MX) that operate at a max USB polling rate of 125Hz. By comparison, gaming-grade mice go up to 5700dpi / 6300dpi, and have a max USB polling rate of 1000Hz.

There are other factors as well that matter to gamers, like configurable buttons, adjustable weight/shape of the mice, whether the mouse sensor is center-mounted, price, etc.

If you are a gamer that cares about mice, then it would not make sense to buy a mouse with Logitech Darkfield imaging sensor in it, because those two mice are lacking in other important areas that matter to gamers.

 

that's why I wrote this ..

 

...who in the world would use 6400dpi? How absurd.

But otherwise looks interesting. Pre-ordered the Mamba. We'll see how much of an improvement it is over my current mouse.

Hopefully they come out with an improved version of the Ironclad mat at some point too

 

I buyed the old Mamba two weeks ago and received it two days ago, I just asked for a refund to buy the new one, I tested the "old" Mamba and it's a ing awesome mouse! I'm sad to send it back :/
But I'll have an alienware m14x soon and the color changing will fit perfectly with the AlienFX, also the +15% battery life is cool and if it's even more precise than it is already it'll just be insane!
The price is high but the quality is awesome. Love Razer :q

 

^ The color change is something that I find appealing as well. My CM SF-19 matches quite well with my alienware. The only mice until now that fitted where roccat, the mamba now fits that gap.

 

The funny thing about this MeduZa is that it looks VERY much like my Imperator !

 

^That's what I noticed at first glance too

 

aww i thought Razer would have lost the stupid charging dock and did what logitech did with the little usb dongle, its hard to be portable or even just moving from room to room with a huge thing like that, sometimes i like to just move from my room to the tv room and game with my lapdesk, and it would be nice to have a true wireless mouse, where i wouldnt have to carry around a slew of wires they call a docking station.

 

or make it 2-in-1 have nano receiver + charging dock << That would be AWESOME!
with their profit on a mamba I'm sure that's very much possible to do

 

Any good reviews on the 4G sensor? im interested in trying the Mamba, i want to get a taste of wireless gaming mouse and always been a fan of the deathadder shape. Its too bad they didnt switch to a nano reciever though.

 

I love the docking station!

Mamba just shipped. I won't review it, but I'll at least post my impressions here when I receive it.

 

I'll also just point out that the shipping options from Razer are ridiculous. It'll take a full week from date of shipping for me to receive it. Expedited shipping prices are also unreasonably high.

Compare that with Amazon ($4 same-day delivery) or Apple (free 2nd day delivery if you call)...

*sigh*

 

I buy my Razer stuff through Amazon. I have Prime, which gets me free two-day shipping (although standard 3-5 day shipping is normally free anyway), and their normal prices are generally the lowest. The DeathAdder, for example, is $45 at Amazon, $60 from Razer's store and most other retailers.

 

Amazon didn't have the newest model at the time I ordered unfortunately.

 

Indeed, that's their one downfall; they usually take a while to start selling newer models. I believe their price for the "old" Mamba is $90-something.

 

Well it arrived.

Pros:

1) Full spectrum lighting looks amazing. And I seriously mean amazing.
2) Full spectrum lighting can be adjusted (on/off, brightness) to customize battery life while wireless.
3) More options (z-axis settings? I don't recall that being in the old mamba config).
4) Seems to be little more slippery/smoother than the last one. Not sure if it's my imagination or if the pads of my old one just got worn.

Cons:
1) Config suite advertises 8 hours wireless using full spectrum colors at normal brightness. Estimate didn't change when I changed polling rate...
2) A very disturbing thing that may be unique to mine (i.e. defective mouse) - the dock wouldn't come on if I plugged in the USB adapter to the computer first and then to the dock. It would only turn on if I plug the end into the dock first, and then into the computer...means an extra step each time i want to move from wired to wireless....
3) Just noticed in the instruction manual that we should turn it off before putting it on the dock. Don't recall that being there for the old one...and if it was, I certainly never followed it.....oh well.
4) Other than the lights, looks identical to the old one......

Will check out the OSX side of things later.

Did I mention the lights are really pretty?

 

^
I believe z-axis settings is the lift-off distance ..

so tell us about the 6400 dpi and dual sensor thing

 

If you wouldn't mind (please), post some pics of the new razer and its pretty lights.

 

Info on the 4G sensor! Its the main improvement over the junk twin-eye...

 

might sell my extra mamba and get the new one. see if its better.

 

4) Other than the lights, looks identical to the old one......
for me it's not a cons :q
for the 2) your mouse is defective?
for the 3) no you don't have to put it of, just it's recommended if you want it to charge faster. If your mouse is on it'll charge but slowly.
And yes please post pics even if it'll look better for real, light never really looks great on pics :/

 

I'll see if I can take some pics when I get home tonight (but they'll be from my phone and look horrible.....)...

So I tried this on LoL last night, and then Dungeon Siege III for like 30 min (midnight releases suck). Wireless mode, @1000, all settings set to auto detect (surface, etc.).

Noticed more odd quirks that weren't in the old one, making me think I just have a defective mouse...

Sometimes it's not particularly responsive--I'd click and..nothing happens. Other times, buttons would get stuck (not the button itself, but the function). It would be as if I'd held the right mouse button down even after I released it (in DS3, this meant I'd just run around in circles; in LoL, it meant i ran straight into the enemy team and turret...not a good way to make your team happy apparently).

Also, tracking seems uneven at times, accelerating and decelerating abruptly at odd moments. I'll clean my mousepad tonight and see if there's any debris stuck there that might be affecting performance.

I'll wait to see some other people's impressions to see if mine's just defective (combined with the dock problem I mentioned earlier).

 

Your mouse is defective.

 

Yeah, get that exchanged. Sooner is better.

 

Shhh! Let me pretend just a while longer that it's working fine

I haven't had a single Razer product that was in proper working condition the first time yet :/

Plus this time, I bought from Razer directly, so it's not like Amazon where I'd have the new one at my doorstep the next day before I even ship back the old one.

Back in the box it goes... *sigh*

 

What do you expect it was only $130 or so, not like its a premium product with good quality control

 

Troll more.
I had the Old Razer for about a week and no issues with it, I asked for a refund to buy the new one. This guy is just unlucky and I don't know any brand that have 0 defective products, it's annoying but it happens.

 

so you get your 4G mamba yet ? .. waiting for your impression and experience

 

1 Mastershroom is enuf.

 

I don't received it yet but i'll sure share my impression and experiences with you.