Roccat Pyra cordless rechargeable mouse

not heard of Roccat make until a few days ago so read quite a few reviews on the Pyra and am almost sold on getting one.
before i do has anyone out there in nbr land got one and what you think of it for gaming.
Roccat Pyra gaming cordless rechargeable mouse

 

I wonder how the performance really is wireless.

@1600dpi thats really on the low side for todays high performance mice (5000+dpi is normal now)

They advertise a 1000hz polling rate to make it sound high performance, but honestly the polling rate is not the most important figure, its the response time that is important. Since they do not advertise the response time I cant help but think its not very good or they would be more than happy to advertise it just like the polling rate.

 

thanks for the feedback Vicious.
i was wondering the same thing.
i wish they made the Kone wireless as its 6000dpi but its only a wired option.
here in the uk its price is £40/$64 compared to the G700 logitech which is £80/$128
decisions decisions.
my main gaming use will be fps.

 

There's a review here
http://forum.notebookreview.com/accessories/516863-review-roccat-pyra-wireless-mouse.html

btw, 1000Hz means 1ms response time, no ?

 

Nope polling is like the refresh rate of your monitor, and response time is the response time of your monitor (how long it takes for a pixel to change or in the case of a mouse how long until your cursor responds from an input)

I for one am not sold on the DPI gimmick. My MX518 is only 1600dpi and that is more than enough for me. 5000+ DPI is just a gimmick almost exactly like the MP count on cameras (higher is not always better but they advertise it so)

So no complaints about the DPI from me just wonder what the undisclosed stats are.

 

is this the response time we're talking about ?

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_Polling_Rate

Razer Mouse Guide | Razer | For Gamers. By Gamers.


1000 Hz = 1000 reports in 1 seconds so means the receiver and mouse communicates each 1 ms.

 

im blind in one eye so my reaction time is quite slow really so dont think it would make much difference for me

 

Recently, I bought a Roccat Kova [+]. Personally, I'm quite satisfy with it. If you are a palm grip gamers, Pyra would not be your most ideal choice as it is quite small. Besides that, the battery life of this gaming mouse is quite poor. Better get a wired one. Oh yea, the light effects of Roccat Kova [+] looks very cool too.

 

not really a palm grip person.
also added to the maybe list now is a logitech G700

 

My main gaming mouse now is Logitech G700. Nothing to be complain except the battery life which only can last for around 3 days. But it's not a big deal for me though. I have the full review in my YouTube channel.

 

yup saw that great review Jeffrey. thats why im thinking maybe the G700 now

 

Yep 1000 reports, however how fast the action is taken on that report is not 1ms. Response time and polling rate are not the same.

Example: It could be sending 1000 reports per second but sending them 1 second behind real time for all you know.

That is why there is a second statistic called response time that must be viewed in conjunction with polling rate.

 

now I dont get what you're saying haha, do you have example of what model put in the response time spec ?
as I said 1000Hz means the receiver and mouse communicate each other every 1 ms. they won't be missing 1 second or more than 1ms then.

 

Best example I can think of is a ping on a computer network.

Say your running a command prompt to ping another computer on a network and it is pinging every second.

That is 60 times a minute it sends a ping, this would be the same thing as the polling rate.

Meaning - Number of times its sending data over a period of time.

However the time it takes for that data to get from point A to point B is the latency.

If this was a LAN it may be like 1ms latency however if you were pinging a computer across the globe it would be much longer like say 20ms.

The latency of a ping is the equivalent of the response time of a mouse. How long does it take the signal to get from the mouse to your computer?

Number of Signals/Time does not equal Delay of signal.

aka

Polling Rate does not equal Response Time.

At least technically it should not, a mouse company may advertise it as so assuming there is a 0ms delay between when the signal is sent and when the computer responds to it.

 

then again, no manufacturers ever put their mice' response time in spec.

or at least: I cannot find any manufacturers advertise their mice' response time

and I don't think we need to know that because we can measure it by the mice' polling rate
(compare the 1000Hz mouse with a normal 8ms /125Hz mouse ) --err we're talking about milliseconds

 

decided against it in the end as the pyra is quite a small mouse.
looking for a g700 now but they were out of stock today.

 

You might also want to consider a Razer Mamba. I do believe they're around for £80 (or at least I've seen them for around that much). Both the Mamba and the G700 get great reviews.

You might want to see if they have either of them in a store sometime, and see if you can try them out in your hand (some shops have mice on display). It's always best to get a mouse that fits and feels right in your hand.

 

The Mamba is not practical from a portability perspective if you plan to use its wireless capability while traveling. At least with the G700, you can buy a pack of rechargeable AA batteries and bring those, rather than the Razer's bulky receiver.

 

Agree. It is quite troublesome to bring out a cradle compared to several AA batteries.

 

If portability is a concern then I'd agree. But if you only need something to use on a desk, then it's perfect. Even if you're travelling, the base isn't big to take along, provided you don't want to actually use it ON the move.

In any case, the G700 gets great reviews as well. If portability IS your concern, I'd go for it.

 

Well i recently purchaesed the i ball wire less mouse but not very impress with the response rate also the remote sensing distance is too long and could not get the proper signals while working from far...

although thanks for those reviews

MG

 

after seeing the pyra i decided against it as it was way too small for me.
they had no G700 in stock thank god as they were charging £89/$142
got home and checked on amazon and bought a G700 for £58 with free postage so well happy.
its mainly for my desk but once in a while i also take it out and about some times.
suppose i can use my old Logitech VX Revolution for the out and about usage which has been an excellent mouse.

thanks for all the advise guys.

 

Razer is bulky because of the receiver. Oh, I don't use the receiver on my laptop. It's corded hehehehe! But the texture and comfort of Mamba is so good.

 

just an update.
2 days since order and G700 arrived.
compared to my vx revolution nano its massive (pic attached) but feels and moves so much smoother so far. will take a while to get used to all the buttons but imo its perfect.

 

nice! I think that's a VX Revolution, not MX Revo

 

lol. its been a while since ive had it and the memorys going gaga. ive done so many searches to try and find the name as theres nothing on the mouse itself so thanks for that. ill edit above

as soon as i google vx theres loads of pages,thanks. must deserve a rep for that +1

 

Where do I purchase these Roccats in the U.S.? I went on their website and the U.S. wasn't listed in their list of countries. Would I have to import it from Europe or something?

 

yup,looks that way. i think they are a german company and mostly stocked in europe.
im sure someone posted a link to one american reseller. ill try and find it.

 

Thanks. I've been looking at retailers in the UK ( langtoninfo.com) and for regular shipping to the U.S. its about a month. For it to ship faster, via UPS, its more than $100, which is the near cost of the mouse itself ha.

Just out of curiosity, is that retailer reputable?

 

ive never heard of them before so cant advise on that.
just checked most of the uk sites and none deliver outside the uk.
ill dig further tomorrow.

 

Thank you for your efforts. I actually just went to google.uk.co and just searched there and it brought me to the British version of Amazon. They have international shipping to North America ( rates are here). Could any one tell me if these are in Pounds or USD? Also, does a British squaretrade warranty cover items shipped to the US? Would I have to buy a US version of a warranty?

Edit: Found more places. One is actually in the US. for the Roccat Kone +, but they sell others too.
1) Kone+ ( link) $104.99
2) Kone+ ( link) £53.29 GBP (+20 for VAT price)
3) Kone+ ( link) $108.30
4) Pyra wireless ( link) $80.12
5) Pyra wireless ( link) £30.19 GBP
6) Pyra wireless ( link) $74.95

 

Airmail delivery rates--North America (GBP) so thats £ great british pounds.

looking at that delivery rate list its a bit confusing as it only states cd,dvd,books or video

might be best to buy from one of the american resellers as at least you will get warranty included.
pcs.com kone $104.99 = £64.97
medusa usa pyra $80.12 = £49.57

compared to uk price of (just for example) HERE (its actually cheaper in america for the kone) but not forgetting you have to add delivery and im not sure about customs duty.

good luck with whichever you decide to get.

 

I was going to get the pyra but got th G700 instead, Id still like to get ahold of a pyra wireless if there is a decent deal around.