Time for a new GAMING mouse for FPS

Hey guys,

It's been quite a while since I've posted, and now the time has come for me to look for a new mouse, since my G400 just died last night.

I was looking at 4 of them in particular, seeing as they all got good reviews, but I've had no experience with either of them, so maybe some of you did and can share some thoughts on the matter.
1) the razer deathadder 2013: I've had the previous deathadder for 5 years until this May, when it started double clicking, the scroll wheel died etc. Still works, but useless for gaming.
2) The G9x : adjustable weight, good all around specs, but I'm worried about its reliability. After all, I've had bad experiences with logitech as of late.
3) thermaltake tt eesports theron: seems amazing from the reviews, but am worried since I've had no contact with any of their merchandise
4) Corsair Vengeance M60: this one appeals to me but again, mostly from the specs on paper.

Narrowing it down to these 4 was a tough choice, since I am looking for a good, no... awesome sensor, be it optical or laser, since precision is everything. I do play quakelive everyday, so it's a must, more than anything. Adjustable DPI settings is another, if possible, I would like to set my own values, as I did with the G400. And lastly, no more than 100$ can be spent on it, it's a time of crisis.

Any other suggestions are appreciated and taken into account, since I am opened to new ideas about mice. I do prefer palm grip, if it's a matter of choice, but for 5 years the deathadder has forced the claw out of me, so either way is fine. Mostly though, I want something that lasts and outperforms the other choices, since I do consider my hobby a must for my everyday peace of mind

Much appreciated for any input.

 

If you want wired, I suggest taking a look at the anker 8000dpi model, it's 30 bucks and has thousands of great reviews.

 

The deathadder didn't really fit my hand, so I didn't buy it. I have the G9x, still my primary mouse. I have had no problems with it. It has different grips to fit different hands or gripping styles. The mouse works great, and no problems, haven't even noticed lag. But I wish it had more buttons. I would like more buttons for thing like grenades and such.

I suggest you make sure the mouse matches your hand, and your gripping styles. Maybe a local store has them to try.

 

The G700 and G700s are perfect for me. Fit my hand well and are performance mice.

 

I got a like new g700s off Amazon for $45 shipped the other day. I really like it so far, love having pback/forward and copy/paste right at my thumb.

 

Out of the mice you listed, the Deathadder is the best FPS gaming mouse.

 

I really thought it's features and overall build were lacking for the price point. After running the 700s, I'll never go back to to just a wired or wireless mouse. Also, this thing will track on damn near any surface, I have a tv mount in my room and hdmi into it. Watching movies/youtube last night was a breeze, the mouse was under my comforter, tracking/reading just fine on the lumpy under sheet and bed surface.

I've used the adder, it was nice, but thought it was overpriced.

Here's the anker model I was talking about
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/124805-13-anker-precision-laser-gaming-mouse-8000dpi

Where else are you going to find a $30 mouse with that many settings/profiles and weight tuning?

 

G9x was recently discontinued IIRC. I used it as my primary gaming mouse for 18 months and was more than happy with it. It suited my medium sized hand claw grip well. I paired it with a Mionix Propus 380 hard pad and it was fantastic (soft pad not so much).

I recently moved to a G600 for the button mapping options (only reason I left my G9x), but I play mostly World of Tanks which isn't a twitch FPS.

 

Using my Logitech M500 here, which is basically a debranded G500.

Got it for 20$ and it's a VERY good mouse for the price. Can't complain.

 

You are drifting away from the original question. Out of the mice the OP listed, the Deathadder is the best for FPS gaming. I wouldn't buy a Razer Deathadder when a Logitech G400 is considerably cheaper and pretty similar.

8000dpi, onboard profiles, weight tuning, wireless, a million buttons, etc. are all gimmicks if all that you are after is a good FPS gaming mouse.

I'm not saying that the M500 is a bad mouse, but it really has nothing to do with a G500 other than being wired and having a "hyper-scroll" wheel.

 

Thanks for all the input, guys.

The thing is, quakelive is a very fast paced FPS which requires you to low sens aim someone in a second, and in the very next, you have to be turned 180 to shoot another enemy.

The ability to choose my own DPI was where the G400 shined, combined with its nice feel when used. The deathadder seems to lack some of these features, and the DPI changing lags for 1 second, which is kinda crucial nowadays. So, price wise, yea, the G400 is amazing, but it has a terrible issue which you learn about after some months: it temporarily disconnects and reconnect, maybe due to bad soldering or whatever else made it cheaper. The deathadder is still working after 6 years, be it with a dead scroll wheel and double clicking issues. The G400 is dead a dodo. Which is why I will never get another one from that series. The Avago sensor is amazing, but the rest was a nightmare. And buying a mouse every 5 months seems silly, when for double the price, I had nearly 5 of flawlessness.

My only concern was that for what I needed, the G400 was more accurate. So anything close to it would do wonders. Even the DA2013, if it is as advertised, which is why I asked for personal opinions. I mean, no one has any reason to advertise a bad mouse here, so personal thoughts are what I am looking for.

If anyone is a fast paced FPS player, any other recommendations would be taken into consideration.

 

I have a g700s and it is pretty good... and its wireless

 

Actually, all of those are what make a good gaming mouse, as well the great sensor that mouse has. Having reload/nades/melee etc right at your thumb is great.

 

If you're willing to wait a few more months, this guy has been developing the "perfect" mouse. Flawless ADNS-3090 sensor, no angle snapping, no prediction etc. The guy designed it with a ton of critique from Quake players. His latest update says it'll go for $45 USD.

If you prefer not to wait, you could consider something in this chart. It may be a little extreme, but the comments on this thread claim that the chart has been created through extensive studies.

 

I don't have much experience around good Quake players, and I've always been wondering, is A-3050/3090's perfect response speed really good enough for your insanely fast turns?

 

I still have my Logitech g9 since the day it was released in 2007, works like the day i got it. Little rubber rubbed off the grip here and there. It has 6 years of HEAVY COD2 and BF3 use. I actually still have a g9 new in the box still i bought as a backup but have needed it That begin said I have recently ventured into another mouse because i was wanting a dedicated sniper button. So i tried the Asus gx1000 ( IT IS MAJOR CRAP!!). I tried a couple of newer logitech mice and they didn't suite me feel. I tried the MadCatz RAT 7 mouse, the sensor lift bug drove me crazy. It took up to a second or so to acquire position and start tracking again. I have recently tried the Corsair m65. I am a finger tip mouse person, it took me a bit to get my hands and eyes re-adjusted to the new mouse. After using the g9 so long it was like second nature so changing is a major retraining for me Anyways I can still finger tip it and then switch to sniper button when I need. I have liked this mouse so much I now have three. I keep on m65 on my desktop and one each of my AW18 and my AW 14 bags. I found it easier to just have my bags packed with my mouse and razor nostrmo pad and not have to unplug and switch bags. I can grab whichever laptop bag on the way out the door depending on which I feel like carrying that day.

So very long story short, Love the corsair m65.....

 

Honestly, get another Logitech G400. It's the best mouse you can own, regardless of price. I've owned many many different mice (around 12 over the past 24 months), and have returned all of them before buying Logitech G400's for every desk-based computer usage scenario I have.

It's unfortunate that your current Logitech G400 died. If it's still under warranty, get it replaced by Logitech. A Logitech mouse will generally survive through years and years of abuse before it kicks the bucket, so I suspect that you just got a lemon.



I would recommend you avoid gaming-grade wireless mice, for two important reasons:

1) Dealing with battery life is a pain-in-the-rear. A gaming-grade wireless mouse will have battery that lasts for 12-72 hours before it needs recharging. Which means that you need to recharge it every night, or deal with dead battery in the middle of your gaming session.

2) The weight distribution on a wireless mouse is all wrong. Logitech G400 is light, center-balanced mouse. Something like a Logitech G700 will be much heavier and rear-balanced... creating a completely different drag profile than what you're used to using.

 

I think I will order a Zowie Evo EC2. Seems like an interesting mouse to try. Should be here on Friday or Saturday. Will test with BF4.

Never used a mouse that had absolutely no acceleration, prediction or snapping. Apparently my MX518 does have those. And course my Performance MX. This should be interesting.

 

Logitech G602 - hands down the best gaming mouse out in my opinion.

Just look at the reviews of it on youtube, especially the in-depth overview by LinusTechTips

 

I managed to snag a G9X a couple months ago off Amazon on the cheap (~50). It is currently more expensive now. My previous mouse was a G9.

I also owned a G700 and did not care for it. The battery life in performance mode was terrible. I even used high end eneloop batteries. I also can't stand the newer Logitech mice with all the side buttons. I also never found the additional buttons on the side useful. I very much prefer the two large buttons on the G9X.

My gaming setup is a Benq 120Hz LCD that is lightstrobed. I love my G9X and it will be a cold day in hell when I give it up. I also assume you are right handed.

 

Would seem if you want the best, G602 is actually among the worst.

 

It depends.

Some people want high tracking performance, others want ergonomics and (in case of a wireless mouse) battery life, and there always some who simply want one from a big brand.

Even though I do agree that G602 is too weak for a "gaming" tag in 2013, for most casual players the skill, not the hardware, is the only bottleneck.

G602's gaming mode is still good enough for most potential customers. The extra programmable buttons are good for people who don't need dedicated FPS/RTS hardware. Battery life is obviously nice. Ergonomics seems to be fine if you can handle the weight. And finally Logi is a big name.

 

OP wants a gaming mouse for FPS. His previous mouse was a G400. G602 would not be up to par with his previous mouse. His best options then according to all the testing and hardware inspections is either another G400, DeathAdder, or the Zowie or any other mouse that doesn't have prediction, acceleration, using the A3090 sensor.

Not only that, if he liked the G400, he would probably have used claw style, which again points to another G400 or Zowie. And actually DeathAdder, I used claw grip on DeathAdder last time I owned it.

Having owned the larger mouse like the G602, I have Performance MX, I can say it's a totally different grip. The wireless latency is noticable, though mine isn't gaming grade 1000hz. But even compared to G700s, supposedly the G602 sluggishness is noticeable.

And lastly, for anyone who is used to using a wired mouse, using wireless takes a while to get used to. Weight is a huge factor IMO. Logitech wireless mouses are very heavy, even compared to other wireless, the Mamba is lighter than G700s.

Eh, if I was OP I'd just get another G400.

 

Oops. Forgot the context.

 

Getting mouse movement data through a close range wireless connection is very, very easy task. The lag on the Performance MX is not any kind of "wireless" lag. It's the senor waking up from a power-saving state. 1000Hz polling won't help. Actually 1000Hz polling is purely a waste of CPU time for mouses that support 16bit non-boot-mode report.

I agree that another G400 is the way to go. But it's a bit hard to buy now. How about G400s?

 

I get ZERO lag with my g700s, plus it has wired capability as well. So if you're worried about it while gaming, plug the bish in.

 

Forget wireless IMO. I have the performance MX, which has lower polling rate, but just forget it. You can clearly feel the difference with wired IMO. It's doable, but if you specifically want FPS, forget it. I think wireless gaming be more than fine for any other game genre.

My Zowie EC2 Evo arrived and it is all it is hyped to be. Read the reviews about the Zowie AM/FC or EC2, they all use the same sensor. The EC2 has the perfect shape, and weight.

FYI, wireless mice weight a ton and are HUGE to accomodate the battery. If you are coming from a G400, you will notice 1000% and probably will not like the additional weight and size. The wireless mice are also not for claw grip that the G400 is all about, they are full on palm and as for lift off and precise aiming with low DPI like most good FPS players, yeah, forget it.

I love my Performance MX, but for FPS gaming, I'd stick to wired.

Also I put my MX518 in storage in case anything happens to my new favorite Zowie.

 

^ Agree with both of these fine folks.

If you used a Logitech G400 before, then buy another one (or get the one you currently have replaced under warranty). It really is one of the best mice available.




Zymphad is correct that wireless mice feel different. They are significantly heavier and will have a different weight / balance profile. The Logitech G400 is a light center-balanced mouse, which you will not find in wireless gaming-grade mice.

Re: Mr.Koala - Logitech G400 and G400s are identical internals. Only difference is external aesthetics.

 

Wireless mouses are always heavier. But they don't have to be that heavy. There is Razer Orochi which weights 69g without the batteries. I also have a mouse called Fuhlen X100 that only weights 104g with a 1100mAh Li-ion battery included.

Some mouse makers like Logi make their wireless gaming mouses 150g+. I'm not sure why.

 

The Razer Orochibis a tiny mouse that is not gaming-grade performance in wireless mode.

The Fuhlen X100 looks like a Chinese product with little to no US based support.

Seriously... if the OP formerly used a Logitech G400 and liked it, there is no reason to buy another mouse. You do not need to buy another mouse simply because it is newer.

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Especially considering the 2nd gen G400 is considered by nearly all hardcore FPS players to be among the best mouse, whether you are a Quake, CS or BF player. And not one wireless mouse is considered to be worthy. And wait, isn't the OP looking for an FPS mouse?

Granted I play with a great FPS player who do use wireless mouse, but I see no reason for someone who loves G400 to go wireless. You use what you are used to. Only reason I see Deagleson being good with Wireless for example is because he's been gaming wireless since Revolution VX came out, guess he's become accustomed to adjusting to prediction, acceleration, the weight and lag.

Of course this means if you are like me and the OP, gaming on G400, FPS gaming on wireless is going to feel like sludge.

 

Yep. Non of them would be appropriate as an suggestion. But they do show that it's technically possible.
Maybe the need for a real high performance wireless mouse is so low that manufacturers simply won't care.

By the way, it looks like that the OP isn't in the US.

 

last time i recommend a mouse here i was waiting for my G700s to arrive. Having been using it for 2 months plus now I can say it is amazing. I just love the thing!

 

Speaking of high performance wireless mouses:

Judging by Avago's document and some other data, if the super light weight X100 (which comes with a A3050 instead of G400's A3090/3095) I mentioned above is used as a reference, to build a wireless version of G400 without sacrificing any performance, you would end up with something like this:
100g version (about as heavy as the wired G400) - 9~12 hours battery life in high performance mode
150g version (about as heavy as a G700 with batteries) - 20~27 hours battery life in high performance mode
battery life can be very long in power-saving mode, depending on settings

So, let's say there's a mouse product which has the same performance as the G400, and feels like a G400 without the cord in your hand, but can only hold one day of game play before a full charge. If this thing is available, will you buy it? Or will you opt for the 150g version for longer battery life? Maybe you'll just forget it and use the wired?

 

Hypothetically.... for a desktop based rig, no... because I'd rather not deal with the battery life issue.

For a mobile work / gaming laptop setup, yes. I'd deifnitely get one and throw it in my work bag for when I'm on the road.

Hypothetically, if they had a Logitech G400 that had incredible battery life (1+ years) without sacrificing any weight characteristics, definitely yes.

 

I don't think an average user needs a G400. You guys are comparing the best competitive FPS players to an average gamer. What is best for race car drivers and cars is not the best for the average car and driver on the road. If you getting into to competition FPS, then get the G400. If not then there might be better mice for the user.

 

True. I absolutely agree.

But a Logitech G400 is about $40. It's not that much more expensive than a "standard" non-gaming mouse, so you get a very high return for the small additional fee.

If we are talking about $80 - $150 mice, then I would totally agree with you... not worth it unless you're REALLY into gaming and have the disposable income to spend on that.

 

About 6 months ago Best Buy was clearing them out and I grabbed one for my father for $20. In hindsight, I should have bought a couple more and held on to them. They're not only a great gaming mouse but a great general use mouse as well. My father doesn't game (he uses his G400 for work) and finds the shape of the mouse very comfortable for all day use. I've used the G400 myself, and it's a great universal mouse capable of gaming, office tasks, and everything between. I can't say that same about some other gaming mice I've used and owned.

 

A4Tech Bloody X7 (w/ core3)

It has the same sensor as the SS Kana and has the best macro software in the market, controls recoil and has rapidfire programming under headshot macro mode.

It may be only $30 but this mouse is really something else

 

Seriously, people, stop using those recoil compensation scripts.

There are jokes about how A4Tech/Bloody sells cheat engines and when you buy their software you get a mouse as bonus.

 

Mine came activated, $30 for everything.

Activated Bloody V8 + cleaning cloth

Btw it isn't script, the mouse has a proprietary cursor movement modifier control board integrated into the sensor feed. The "script" (which is just a text file really) is placed there, bloody flashes a new macro script into the mouse if you change what is bound to the N/3 key.

Is it cheap and catfishy? Yeah it is.
But, am I gonna stop using what I paid for? Probably not.

 

I just wish they had more buttons, and a slightly better shape for my hand. Certainly a great standard mouse. But if it doesn't fit your hand or grip style, then another mouse might be better. They fit my hand pretty good, better than most. Just give me more buttons. Which is why I use a G13...

 

If buttons are what you're looking for the G600 or Naga will do the job nicely. I use the 12 side buttons on my G600 for consumables and commands in World of Tanks and can't imagine going back to a mouse with lesser buttons. I can play entire matches without having my hands leave the WASD cluster for anything other than typing out messages into the chat box. The third mouse button for my ring finger also works great as a DPI shift to lower sensitivity on the fly for those long range shots.

I'm not a big fan of the shape of the Naga and find the G600 perfect, while many others feel the opposite way. I'd recommend trying one in person (my Best Buy had both on display) to find which mouse shape fits your hands best. When holding the Naga comfortably, only 9/12 buttons were accessible to me, while all 12 were accessible on the G600. I have only owned Logitech mice for years and don't plan to leave them anytime soon, so I went with the G600.

 

Im finding in BF4 I am wanting to bind more keys for quicker accessibility (primary weapon, secondary etc). Using the scroll wheel takes up to much time. I was going to try the g600 or g602 but decided to try the Corsair m95 first. I should have it monday. Good thing is i cans till set one of the buttons as a "sniper" button so it might be my perfect mouse The g600 looks great but no where really to rest your thumb except right on top of the buttons on the side. Atleast on the m95 there is a spot to rest your thumb or "claw" the mouse.

 

I like the look and feel, and button arrangement with the G602. I wonder how the engine really is though. I also wonder if they will do a G702.

 

The G600 certainly isn't the best FPS mouse out there, I'll admit it. I find it great for nearly everything but FPS games, where it is just average. The thumb buttons being right where your thumb rests comfortably are both a blessing and a curse depending on your uses.

 

Best mouse I've tried to date is the Mionix Naos 3200. Absurdly comfortable and tracks pretty damn well.

 

Loving the G9x

 

I notice this mouse recommended many places, and don't understand the love for it. A friend bought one for gaming under the recommendation of people on the internet, and I was very underwhelmed by it for the few minutes I use it. The build quality is on par with $5 OEM mouses shipped with PCs, and the mouse isn't comfortable IMO. There is a large amount of play in the thumb buttons, while my G600 has zero play to speak of. Performance was decent, but the overall package was lackluster. It felt like they took a decent set of internals and wrapped it in a cheap exterior.

Maybe my friend received a dud, but the mouse he received isn't worth the $30 he paid IMO. Anker made compromises to reach the $30 price point, and quality was the compromise. Using a cheap (note that I used "cheap", not inexpensive) input device is like gaming at 720P on minimum settings, it may get the job done, but it's far from the most enjoyable way to do it.

 

Will be buying a Razer Orochi tomorrow (due to debit card issues today), good pick?