zune or ipod

yes this IS what i'm saying
look around on this site
http://www.head-fi.org/
if you want proof that the zune has superior sound quality since you won't believe anything i say. real audiophiles can tell that the zune has superior sq than the ipod eq or not.
the only media device that beats it in sound quality is the cowon d2

 

Jonha may be a pimp but he speaks the truth.

And although I have not personally heard a Cowon I have come across many a thread about it's lackluster software despite having great audio. Check out head-fi.org for all your audio hardware needs.

 

I'm happy with my Zune 30gb 1st gen.. every time microsoft does a firmware update it just gets better.

If only it had AM radio in addition to FM.. but I can't really complain too much.

 

Funny how you say the only one is the D2, when the Cowon I7 actually sounds better than the D2, it just isn't as versatile a player. IMO, all the cowon's sound better, and the sonys do too, and even the Sansa Clip/fuze. They may not have as much or more power(as in amps) but that doesn't mean they sound worse.

 

zune FTW

 

i will never buy it for two reasons - i don't like iTunes and i don't like its size

 

I had an iPod Touch. I regretted buying it, and sold it.

 

i have a 8gb Ipod nano 3rd gen and i hate it...i mean its good for music, but the interface is horrible and the dial or "wheel" is just way to sensitive. I dearly miss my Zune that went through the wash.. po]rob going to sell the ipod for an 16gb Zune.

 

where comparing hdd players not flash, and it's personal preference and most people say the cowon D2 is better/on par with the the zune in SQ.

 

The D2 is flash not HDD, and you brought it up. And I agree that the D2 is much better than the zune, but so are the other cowon players and the sony players and the sansa clip/fuze.

 

but were comparing zune and ipod not cowon and zune. he wanted a media player that has an hard drive. but when i mentioned that the ipod's sq wasn't good as the zune and cowon, you came in and started all the cowon crap. i was using it as an example of how much better the sq is on the zune than the ipod

 

@ OP

This discussion will never end, beacuse facts aside everyone has thier own opinion which most people stick with

They are both very similar so get which ever one appeals to you the most
iPods are more popular in most places but many people complain about itunes (there are alternatives though)
Zunes are not as well known but just as capable as iPods when it comes down to media

Also, my classic lags at times, and sometimes takes a couple of seconds to realize the click wheel is being moved

 

I used to have an iPOd then got a Zune, then missed my iPod and got it again. iTunes is awesome I also heard the Zune software was pretty cool, but I'm an iPod user It just feels right.

 

I dislike them both. I prefer media players that you can just drag and drop files on to, rather than jumping through hoops to get media onto the device, like requiring that you sync with itunes or the Zune social thing, they're both GARBAGE. And with either you have to do alot to convert the videos so that they work if you want videos on there, and audio must be in certain folders before being sync'd. It's all just so much more time consuming than dragging and dropping your whole music folder on your PC to the device and having it just WORK.

That's why I prefer ones made by samsung, creative, phillips, etc. Between the Zune and the ipod, well they're both similar, but I happen to hate the stuck up people who own apple products and work at the apple stores so I don't own an ipod and don't endorse buying apple products, so I'd say zune, but ultimately neither because of the terrible software they both require.

 

nice link to the home page of headfi... wouldn't want to get too specific. Anyway, I only use mp3 players for car audio. I'm not talking about output through the headphone jack, but rather through the dock output - and most people on headfi are using imods (not zune) if they are using mp3 players at all. Keep in mind a lot of the "audiophiles" you refer to also believe that solid state amplifiers "burn in" to sound better over time (sorry, only possible with tubes and drivers) and audio cables costing hundreds of dollars are worth the money. It was proven in a blind test that audiophiles couldn't tell the difference in sound coming through "premium" overpriced cables and sound transported through a coat hanger. I'd supply the link, but I'm firewalled from headfi while at work.

 

you really didn't look at through the website. if there using mp3 players they would agree that the one's with the best sq with or without amps are the zune,sanza players, and cowon d2 and i7. i also know from personal experience, i've owned an ipod, zune and a cowon d2 and the zune comes on top

 

Who? Where? Are they the same people who think that a 1st generation ps1 is an "audiophile" cd player? I've been a member for some time and can tell you there are a lot more people using imods than zunes, although if you're looking for real quality you wouldn't be using an mp3 player to begin with. What's your setup that you've auditioned all of these players through? Are you using the dock or headphone jack? What generations of these players did you own? All of this does make a difference. I'd be interested to see a blind test with these players.

 

I use my friends ipod all the time (touch) and i would say that is far better than any zune i have ever used. i spose it just personal preference .

fattail95

 

I like my 80gb ipod more than a zune.

 

i'm only posting a few because arguing with you is like arguing with a deaf baby with an ipod
http://reviews.cnet.com/zune-vs-ipod/?tag=mid_container;pf_left_nav
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f15/cowon-d2-ipod-classic-zune-creative-zen-best-audio-device-409201/
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f15/zune-120-6th-gen-120gb-ipod-sound-qualitywise-401929/
http://www.amazon.com/sound-quality...1KO0I8GHQSOQ/1?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B001EQ0HAW

 

do the cowons have downloadable games and apps like the ipod touch? I know the S9 is BT but does it have wireless connectivity as well?

I can't find that info on their website.

 

no it doesn't have a wireless connection

 

The ipod looks cooler.

 

okay people, you can't really compare the ipod touch and the zunes because they are TOTALLY different devices (other than the music player part obviously). if you're comparing ipods and zunes, compare the classics to the 120gb/80gb, and the nano's to the smaller zunes.

i'm sick of seeing all these people say "ipod touch is better than zune!!"

/rant

 

If you'd read my prior posts you would see that I own both an ipod 80 and a zune 120. Cnet is notorious for biased reviews and you could find more far people with imods/ipods on headfi than people with zunes. I'm sure you had fun wading through all of them in your search for the few supporting the zune. Also, this is the only halfway intelligent sounding person who gave an informed review on the ipod vs zune in your Amazon user review link, which you apparently didn't read either -

P. Dobrinen says:

"I initially purchased the 120 Gig Zune as reviews I read prior to my purchase espoused the similarities between the two with minor differences. I mainly went with the Zune because it had a radio but the iPod did not. I am a sound engineer with over twenty years of studio and live sound experience. When I plugged my pair of Sony MDR-7506 professional quality headphones into the Zune, the sound I heard from the Zune was very disappointing. The amplifier used in the Zune was very weak, there was no "bottom end" in the sound, and the quality of the MP3's I had loaded (320 kb) came back sounding as if they had been dragged through sawdust; they had a "gritty" sound to them that was unacceptable. I returned the Zune (also because the Zune was slow to upload songs and had a pitifully short battery life) and purchased the 120 Gig iPod Classic instead. Man, what a night and day difference! I uploaded the same reference MP3's to the new iPod. When I listened through my Sony headphones, I felt like I was listening to a playback in the studio-the quality was that good on the iPod. The bass was full and rich, the detail was amazing (definitely no "gritty" sound), and the amp in the iPod was strong enough to provide more than enough volume to drive my power-thirsty Sony headphones beyond safe listening levels. The listening was done using the "flat" EQ setting on the iPod by the way. The EQ presets are very respectable for those that want such modifications to their sound. From a sound engineer's standpoint, there is no contest. The iPod is the hands-down winner in the sound quality department (120 Gb version anyway. I can't vouch for any of the others)."

Maybe you got all of it this time around. All of the others who said they thought the zune sq was better could only say they thought it was "better", with no explaination of how or why, or what they were using for headphones.

 

^It sounds like that person got a defective Zune. It should NOT be making a "gritty" sound.

Most "reviews", whether professional or not, are highly biased one way or another. The fact is, both are good mp3 players, and both have their strengths and weaknesses. It's a good thing they compete with eachother - it keeps prices lower and companies innovating.

 

The point I've been arguing since the beginning of this thread is that nobody could tell them apart in a sq blind test. There will always be fanboys of both who claim theirs is better.

 

With good quality headphones, both players sound pretty equal. However, one thing to keep in mind is that the stock iPod headphones suck, while the Zune ones are very good. Thus, the stock experience is better on the Zune.

 

People actually use those? I can't comment on the quality of the zune headphones since they never made it out of the box, but I somehow doubt they are "very good".

 

I agree that they sound very good. Just needed a bit of burn in time and they completely and utterly destroy and rape the ipod stock earphones. Not a challenge.

 

seriously your the fan boy here, if you will look around you will find that the zunes sq is better right know; your the fanboy, you provide no facts or anything to proof that the ipod has better sq . your the one defending the ipod to death

 

wow...just...wow

 

i wasn't look will typing, or i just blew your freaking mind, either way my point still stands

 

I've owned both and honestly headphone quality go with the Zune, I wish I devoted more attention to my Zune before I sold it though, I now have me iPod with Bose headphones.

 

I've scanned all 14 pages of this thread to see that the OP has only posted 1 time in this thread!!!

This thread is nothing but 14 pages of pointless arguing and childish bickering from fanboys of both.

Both players are excellent and do the job they are meant for.

None of the Zune fanboys have said anything or provided anything meaningful for an iPod user to throw theirs away and shell out $250 for a Zune.

And the iPod fanboys haven't said anything or provided anything meaningful for a Zune user to throw theirs away and shell out $250 for an iPod.

This is purely personal opinion. There is nothing concrete that makes one better then the other. And there is definitely nothing thats worth making someone change for the other.

IMO, the moderators should close this thread because this thread itself has become pointless.

 

I have to agree with your statement - except the very last - whether this thread should be closed is up to discussion unless the OP wishes it to be so.
Up to now the argument is civilized, and if it stays civilized, I can see no reason why the thread should be closed.

 

haha i'm sorry. i'm reading what everyone has to say.

 

If you are only looking at iP*d and Zune, then you are seriously limiting yourself. There are many MP3 players out there that go above beyond what Apple and Microsoft have and they are ussually cheaper too. Do not be afraid to be different.

 

But how many are HDD based which is what the OP wants?
Sony will offer a 32GB Flash one sometime this year - at 400 odd € - but its time off and not the storage space the OP wants.

Sony stopped making HDD based players some time ago...

(I like my little flash based Sony player, now 2 years old)

 

So have you made a decision yet? Has all the bickering been helpful at all?

 

Why not iRiver or Cowan?

 

cause he wants an hdd based or large storage space media player, anyway the polls aren't lying, it's all personal preference, but the majority thinks the zune is better, which means alot more people personal prefere the zune, and this thread shouldn't be closed because it's not like were threating each other

 

You can get Cowon players with a HDD. They currently have two different HDD based models available in the usa. They might not has as big of HDD's as the ipoo. but you can always mod them with the larger drives. And about the fanboyism, don't forget that I allowed my inner-Cowon-fanboyism into this thread, but I have facts on my side that make them better than the ipod and the zune. But even with these facts, they're just features that I'm looking for that those other players don't have, other people wont need or even want some of those features.

 

i wasn't directing my comment toward you

 

So the OP was around the whole time.......

Prolly didn't want to get in the way of the "heated debate"

So has he/she made his/her mind up yet???

 

lol. i think i'm leaning more towards the zune. i wouldnt want to get an ipod just because everyone has one. sound quality matters

 

Good to hear
just go with whichever one you like more and meets your needs better

 

Quick question. does zune have it's own web brower?

 

would you ride a bicycle because everyone drives a car?

the ipod touch is probably one of the neatest music players around. does zune have a model with the same capabilities? i think apple wins this portion of the market right now. i think since the majority of the market share seems to be going to apple ipods, it's safe to bet that more integration and accessories are made for apple products - not to mention the eclectic variety of apple ipods available. the shuffle is by far one of the most portable music players.

 

i guess nobody reads the op first post. does an ipod touch has 100 gb no, no it doesn't, so it's between the zune and the ipod classic