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    Acer TimelineX 3820TG Owners Lounge. Info, benchmarks, tweaks, mods and upgrades

    Discussion in 'Acer' started by Hendrickson, Jun 1, 2010.

  1. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope.

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    You can create a custom profile in epower settings. The program is not supposto reset the custom settings, but it does at times, almost randomly. The main problem I had was that it kept shutting my wireless card down when I was on battery power as soon as it would dim the display. It drove me nuts. I just disabled the dam program and have been mich happier since. ;)

    Bronsky :cool:
     
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    Wow! That is glitchy.

    Here's to hoping they release a new version of ePower.

     
  3. bankergolfer

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    It's here!!!!!!! It took 4 business days (6 calendar days) to get here from the time I placed the order.

    Now waiting for UPS to deliver the R705.

    Who would've thought the US Postal Service would beat UPS on a delivery?
     
  4. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope.

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    Congratulations. Enjoy the moment.
     
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    Are you sure it will fit (have you tested)? It would suck to order the case and then find out that it doesn't fit.

    I actually don't really know how much it weights with the 9-cell battery, tried to google it but didn't find any good answer, and unfortunately I don't have any weighing machine at home so I can't check it out myself :mad: All I can find is that the timelineX 3820TG weights 3.97 pounds and I guess that's with the 6-cell battery (or without battery).
     
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    Thank you sir!

    And now the moment is gone from me.....

     
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    Introduction

    As a new owner, I'm posting a running account here (with pics to follow shortly) of my 3820TG. I hope anyone in the US who is thinking about getting this laptop from PCHome will find this information useful.

    I placed the order on 8/11/10 (Wed). It was on a 747 plane on 8/12/10 (Thurs) and arrived at JFK International Airport in New York City on 8/14/10 (Sat), where it sat in US Customs until 8/16/10 (Monday). Upon clearing customs, the US Postal Service took possession of it on 8/16/10 (Mon) and it was delivered in my hands on 8/17/10 (Tues).

    I'm quite impressed with the speed and efficiency that PCHome exhibited in sending me my laptop. The entire process took 4 business days (6 calendar days) to complete. An astonishing feat when you consider that the retailer is located half way around the world in Taipei, Taiwan.

    More to come.....
     
  8. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope.

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    @hendrickson ... asked Shark Technologies to sell me the 3G re-manufactured motherboard. I should hear from them in a day or so to see if it is available. If they have it, I'm getting it. If not, I'll get a regular one.

    I'll probably be hunting an I5-540M on ebay.
     
  9. bankergolfer

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    Part 1: Packaging

    With regards to how the 8320TG was packaged, I felt like I had bought one of those Russian figurines which has another, smaller figurine in it, and then another, etc....

    The outermost package was from PCHome itself. As you can see in the pic below, it was the worse for wear to be sure. However, there were no tears, dents, or gouges to speak of (major or minor). The best adjective to describe the box's condition is "wrinkled".

    outer PCHome box.JPG

    But it did it's job admirably, as I found the remaining boxes within in perfect condition. The next box I encountered was a sturdy brown box from Acer. I imagine that this is the box that Acer ships its laptops to retailers in (speculation on my part). In any event, it was undamaged, as you can see below.

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    Upon opening that box, I came across another box brown from Acer. I thought that this must surely bethe last box, as it was just larger than the laptop contained within it. Again, the box was in perfect condition.

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    Even after opening that Acer box, I was denied seeing my laptop firsthand. For within that box, was a smartly packaged Acer laptop box with a plastic carrying handle. Despite my disappointment, I could not help but smile, for at least this box was not brown. This box too was undamaged and unblemished.

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    Finally, after opening that box, I still could not see my laptop. I found that it was wrapped in a velvet, soft white cloth-like envelope. There were no tears or cuts in the envelope.

    Acer cloth envelope.JPG

    After carefully opening the cloth envelope, I was finally about to set my eyes upon my new prized possession.


    More to come....
     
  10. zsero

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    I have a Thinkpad X61 and a Zerocase III for that size. From my experience, the 3820TG with 9 cell and the Zerocase seems a very forced fit (to be realistic, I think it has no chance of fitting, because the battery is close to the edges), but I hope the best, if it fits tell us and I will be an other buyer. The memoryfoam thing is about 3-4 mm in size, no way it could deform 2-3 cm.
     
  11. bankergolfer

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    I know mine will definitely fit the Zeroshock case, as my laptop has the 6-cell battery which is very thin and fits the laptop perfectly.

    Do you know how much your laptop weighs with its 9-cell battery?

     
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    Forgot to measure. Now it's at a service depot, I hope I get a new one in a few days.
     
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    Does anyone have any suggestions on setting up my Windows 7 OS while it's still in Chinese?

    It's one thing to type German words into a translator website on another PC. It's another when the words are in Chinese. I can't copy/paste from the Windows menu boxes. And I certainly don't have a Chinese keyboard with which to retype the words into a translator program.

    Is there another option other than a fresh Windows reinstall? I'd like to at least see what programs are on the 3820TG before resorting to wiping the HDD clean.
     
  14. Just_a_Nick

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    No, you are not able to translate windows and the installed software to english.

    Just do a clean install or ask a forum member for an english set of recovery dvds.
     
  15. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope.

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    What HD are you putting in there? Are you keeping the 5400rpm unit?

    @Hendrickson - I found a new I5-540M for 170 and I'm ordering it as soon as I hear about my mobo. I'm ordering the speaker, the switches and a set of screws as well. I should have it all ordered before the end of the week. Still debating the paste - probably MX3.

    Bronsky :cool:
     
  16. zsero

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    The fist time I opened mine, it asked me if I would like to use English or Hungarian user interface. It was the very first question. Obviously I clicked English.

    Do you not have anything like this on the German and/or Chinese models?
     
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    Bronsky, can you tell me how could I create ePower profiles, or how could I open the program at all? Can you take a screenshot of ePower running on 3820TG?
     
  18. Just_a_Nick

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    @Bronsky

    I will not change the HDD. I'm still waiting for an SSD with 256 GB in my price range.


    The posting was jst an answer to bankergolfer.
     
  19. Just_a_Nick

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    ePower has no user interface.

    Just press the P button if you not use the wire.
     
  20. bankergolfer

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    Yes, I'm keeping the original 5400 rpm HDD. Regrettably, I'm too cheap and a stickler for cost-benefit to buy a SSD. With all my files, I'd need at least 400 GB storage, and the prices for those large storage SSDs are astronomical!

     
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    Its only worth the hassle if you want to have a look at 10 GB useless junk and adware. I think Acer could sell it's machines for low prices because it sells it's installations for companies like McAfee. For activation you could just type the numbers, but actually all our machines use the same OEM code/cert for Home Premium, so we could just share one ABR backup file (I don't know if it's legal, but I think it is).
     
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    All I just saw was a green battery with a leaf and one crossed. Where did he create profiles and so on?
     
  23. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope.

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    ePower works in conjunction with the Windows power features (battery in tray) but overrides the Windows settings. The program resets the setting adjustments everytime the system is booted. The only way to prevent it from resetting is to create a new power profile. Even then, the new profile would occasionally have its settings changed. ePower routinely shut down my wireless card in conjunction with dimming the display. I shut it off and haven't had a problem since.

    Bronsky :cool:
     
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    OK, it's clear now. I think it's better not be installed. So for me, the _only_ application I need to install is Launcher. All others are drivers.
     
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    Bronsky Wait and Hope.

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    I never gave the language barrier a thought. German was hard enough, not having a common alphabet really adds a whole other layer of difficulty. It would really be nice to have the original drive intact if you had to send the unit back. If at all possible, I would swap drives and do a clean install. Even if you only swap in a 7200rpm drive for now or that hybrid (people seem pleased with it). Anyway, the 5400rpm drive is deadly slow. I don't know how anyone uses the original drive (sorry nick :D ).
     
  26. Just_a_Nick

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    Bronsky,

    I love it to be hit with a posting and keep smilling. :p

    Lets have a look at the SSD prices in the Q1 2011. But the new 3 BIT TLC chips from Intel and Micron are not for SSDs at the moment. Just for handys, sd cards, usb sticks and ...
     
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    Bronsky,
    Will I encounter any problems if I sent back my laptop to PCHome with a clean install on the original 5400 rpm drive (whether as a return or warranty repair work)?

    Also, I'd heard that some people send in their laptops for repair work without their HDD. Is that true?

     
  28. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope.

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    I pulled and preserved my HD for exactly that reason. If I ever had to send it back, I would send it with the original drive. I could not tell you one way or the other if Acer would care that it got a reformatted drive but why allow the possibility ... the preserved HD is cheap insurance. A replacement drive is as little as $75 and its at least 7200 rpm.

    I have never heard of anyone returning their unit without a HD.
     
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    Part 2: Laptop First Impressions

    So there are 3 points that I am evaluating about the 3820TG vs. the R705. The first is form factor and weight. After removing the 3820TG from its white cloth envelope, I marveled at its form factor. It really is small, thin, and light. Incidentally, with its battery weighing a little over 0.5 lbs, the 3820TG without its battery weighs just a touch more than the Toshiba R705 with its battery. When I attached its battery, the 3820TG weighed a touch more, but not enough where I would notice the difference between the 2 laptops after carrying either around for a day. This is a plus for the 3820TG, has I was concerned that it's incremental weight difference over the R705 would be a dealbreaker and send me into the R705's waiting arms. Moreover, when I compared how the 2 laptops feel while I carried them separately in my briefcase, I have to admit that the difference was slight. Again, I simulated the R705's weight by removing the battery from the 3820TG.

    I was also amazed at the small power adapter of this laptop. After using bricks in the past, I was happy to see that the 3820TG's adapter was small, and more importantly, light in weight. I placed the power adapter on top of the laptop to give a sense of size and reference.

    power adapter.JPG

    Upon opening the laptop, I was presented with my 2nd evaluation point: the keyboard and trackpad. Yes, the keyboard has both English and Chinese characters on it (as to be expected since it is being sold by a Taiwanese retailer). Personally, I think the dual-characters gives the keyboard a unique, cool look like something you'd see in "Stargate" the movie. As great as it looks, how does the keyboard feel?

    I'm happy to report that the keyboard feels great. The keys are full sized, so there's no adjustment period required. The keystroke depth is perfect. Not so deep that it retards your typing speed, but not so shallow that you feel you have to press down hard just to get the keys to register. As for keyboard flex, I truthfully don't feel any. Whether I press the keys with normal force or great force, the keyboard feels solid. My last laptop, the MSI GX640, had some keyboard flex. My 3820TG doesn't.

    The only disadvantage I see to the 3820TG's keyboard is its floating key design. If not careful, I could see how dust and debris could eventually work their way in between the keys to rest below them.

    The trackpad is small enough to avoid having one's fingers inadvertently drift across it, but large enough to allow one to use it efficiently. Instead of 2 separate trackpad buttons, the 3820TG uses a "unibar". One has to press on either end of the bar to simulate the left/right button clicks. For me, I like this unibar design. It looks stylish, but more important, it functions great for me. And yes, you can press both sides of the bar down simultaneously.

    While I have yet to evaluate the R705's keyboard and trackpad, my research has shown that the key's are 85% the size of full-sized keys and rectangular shaped, given compression of the keyboard along the y-axis. This compression also leads to a cramped-hand feeling while typing. Finally, the keyboard is supposed to have a spongy feel. I plan on checking all this out firsthand tomorrow, so I can't give an official comparative verdict yet. But assuming these factors hold true about the R705, then it's another plus in favor of the 3820TG.

    keyboard.JPG

    To compensate for the keyboard's propensity to accumulate dust and debris below it (thanks to its floating key design), I purchased the Yadi transparent keyboard protector for $10 from PCHome. This keyboard protector was designed to fit the 3820TG specifically. And it does, as evidenced by the perfect fit of the protector. There is no sliding or slipping at all. It also comes with adhesive strips to anchor the protector to the keyboard, but you truthfully don't need them unless you're planning to type upside down (the protector will fall off then). If you look carefully, you can see my Lian Li desktop PC case in the background (wonderful tower case).

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    It's thin enough so that keys' markings show through easily, but thick enough to handle repeated use without breaking or tearing. Can you tell which pic has the Yadi protector on the keyboard and which doesn't?

    Yadi keyboard  protector.JPG keyboard1.JPG

    Typing with the Yadi protector on feels even better than without it. The protector has a very slight, grippy feel to it. Rather than sliding of smooth plastic keys, your fingers will have slight traction to them as they strike keys covered by the Yadi protector. In addition, there's also a slight cushioning feel as well (but not spongy). It really does feel great to type on the already great 3820TG keyboard with the Yadi protector on. The screen does not touch the Yadi protector when the lid is fully closed.

    I highly recommend getting the Yadi protector for its stylish looks, practical protection, and ergonomical attributes. Best of all, it's priced at only $10 (so it's no great loss if you don't feel as I do about this great product).

    Next, turning on the laptop for the first time.

    More to come......
     
  30. zerverize

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    Congrats on the new laptop :). And Thanks for the detail follow up!!!

    IMHO I think Acer with their new island keys design also meant to help a bit with heat dissipation ?
    Since there is quite some room for air to go around the crevices. Given the laptop is quite thin and its packing quite a bit of fire power. :D
     
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    My sister said the same thing with the keyboard about stargate, i personally like it too, it looks different and i know a lot of people around me wont have it if i decide to keep it.

    What i like about it because i use the left shift a lot not sure why i always do, it's a full shift key the canadian was very small and i would find myself reaching for it!
     
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    You're welcome! There's more to come.

    You could be right about the key design helping with heat dissipation by opening up the air flow spaces (like a jet engines ram air intake). I've made a note to test the temperatures of the CPU and GPU with and without the Yadi protector on. That should tell us if the keyboard spaces are used as air intakes or not.

    As the 3820TG as 2 internal fans for its CPU and GPU, it's quite possible that the laptop needed a way to draw in more air to cool the powerful and hot CPU/GPU.

    If that's the case, then I'll have no choice but to regrettably stop using the Yadi keyboard protector (which I really do love using and typing with).

    I


    Yes, it really does make the keyboard look archaic and modern at the same time. If I have the guts to follow in Bronsky's footsteps with a backlit keyboard mod, I will be sad about losing the "Stargate" keyboard.

    Yes, I also like the full sized left shift key as well! Nice observation!

     
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    Just a Nick, Bronsky, Cire, Lastdon:

    Gave you all reps for your help these past few hours. Thanks!

    Bronsky, your rep is coming tomorrow AM. Apparently there's a limit to how many reps one can give within a time period and to a person!

    What can I say, all these reps are well-deserved!
     
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    A small update to anyone inquiring about the screen:

    I emailed some guy from alibaba.com ( i've used the site before and paid with paypal so i didn't have any issues)

    this is what he replied to me

    LP133WH2-TLA4 Laptop lcd screen - Detailed info for LP133WH2-TLA4 Laptop lcd screen,Laptop lcd screen,LP133WH2-TLA4 Laptop lcd screen,LP133WH2-TLA4 on Alibaba.com
     
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    Part 3: The Screen

    I left the battery detached from the 3820TG because I wanted to see if the laptop could run without it. Not all laptops can, for some use their batteries as power "converters". As leaving in the battery for long periods of time, while the laptop is attached to its power adapter, can be bad for the longevity of the battery, I wanted to see what would happen. I'm happy to report that the 3820TG powered up successfully without its battery.

    The quality of a laptop's screen is not that important to me. As a result, it's not my 3rd evaluation point. I'm realistic about the quality of panels used in laptops. It's the tradeoff that must be made between affordability and quality.

    At the same time, it doesn't mean that I want to have a screen that's pixellated and blurry. Given the reports of poor screens for quite a few 3820TG owners, I must admit I found myself holding my breath in anticipation as my 3820TG powered on and came to life for the first time with me as its owner. Would it disappoint me with a pixellated screen? The moment of truth was nigh approaching.

    And then I saw this....

    Great screen0.JPG Great screen close0.JPG

    ... and I started to breath again. It looks like I had the luck of the Great Bronsky on my side. Both pics were taken about 3 to 4 inches away, with no pixellation to be seen. At normal reading distance, there definitely was no pixellation to be seen. When I pressed my nose up against the screen, I could then see pixels. However, I can also see pixels when I press my nose against my 26" ASUS VW266H LCD monitor as well.

    My 3820TG has the AUO 322C panel.

    Now, I cannot go as far as to say this is the best laptop screen that I've personally seen. How could it be with its 1366x768 HD screen? No, that honor goes to the HP Envy 15 2nd Gen laptop and its 1920x1080 Full HD screen. That was an absolutely gorgeous screen. I loved viewing landscapes, golf courses, and works of art on that screen.

    But, the 3820TG's screen is definitely above average and easy on the eyes. If I were to rate the HP Envy 15's screen a "10", then the 3820TG's screen would rate a "7". I'd have given it an 8 if it had a higher resolution.

    Bottom line: the 3820TG has a above-average screen without any pixellation (at least for my 3820TG).

    More to come.... The Decision.
     
  36. Hendrickson

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    Good stuff, try and find a seller that has the i5 540m QS's that you can make offers on. Thats how i got mine for 170USD. My i5 540m should be here this week ready for the swap. I have two tubes of the IC diamond 7 that just arrived ready for the CPU and GPU.

    I have also pre-fitted my backlit keyboard ready for the swap but I might not have a switch in time :(
     
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    If you want to change languages in Windows 7, just use this nifty software called vistalizator:

    Code:
    http://www.froggie.sk/
    Remember you have to download the MUI pack you want also.
     
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    You could also take any old or cheap new $30 HD, and clone the drives. I frequently use Acronis True Image to clone new drives for safe keeping original. Remove laptop drive and temporarily install into a desktop, connect spare drive to desktop as well. Boot off Acronis True Image CD, and easy from there. Clone back the other way if you need to return laptop.
     
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    I wonder if a USB stick was inserted, would that be able to be used, and would that be in English?

    Thinking, place app Token Restore (an app that copies OEM activation info, so that it can be reused after a clean install, and still keeps the OEM cert and keys), then insert USB stick. At the least, a window would pop up asking if you wish to view files, etc., and even if that is not English, it should be workable by doing the same thing on an English PC for reference. Open to view, start the app, and back up OEM stuff to the USB drive, again using another English PC as reference if needed. With this info, you could them safely format and do a clean install of the same version of windows, (English), then restore keys and cert with Token restore, and it would be as if the laptop shipped with US version of win7.. I think it might all work this way.

    Would still need the drivers and apps though.
     
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    Or, you could check my response above ;)
     
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    Oh, thats the first time I see a picture of the GOOD screen on Acer. The one I had with brightness problems and the one I saw in the shops was really not like this. On the movie I made (upload shortly), the camera simply goes crazy because of the visible screen grid vs. CCD grid. The whole image is just a Moire pattern.

    Nothing like this on your screen. Congrats!
     
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    If you think about restoring from a bootable NTFS partition, then the answer is no. I tried it yesterday, the same way you would make a Windows 7 installer bootable, and it couldnt progress, because it wanted to look for an optical drive.

    So for Acer factory restore (the 3 DVD method) the answer is no, you need to have an USB DVD drive and write the ISO files to a physical medium.

    For simple Windows 7 clean install, yes its very quick and easy way to install Windows 7, just
    1. copy all the files from the Win7 ISO to an NTFS primary partition (marked active)
    2. and run boot/bootsect.exe /NT60 f: /force /mbr
     
  44. Apex84

    Apex84 Notebook Consultant

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    Has anyone found 3820TG on an Acer FTP? I prefer the FTP for checking for driver updates. I can't add the Acer driver download page to favorites because I have to go through the notebook selection step every time I visit the page.
     
  45. Hendrickson

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    @zsero, Both the 3820TG I got had the AUO and good screens at that. Two in a row with two different build dates. Maybe I was just lucky, but bronksy also has a good one. Must just be down to luck like chipset clockgen for overclocking?
     
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    My display is also a good one, I just don't love the "glossy" effects.

    That and only that is the point, why I would change it to a not glossy version.
     
  47. arj154

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    yep it worked perfectly, now im just transferring all my save game files now
     
  48. zsero

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    I finally uploaded the video to youtube. Here is a copy of the description.
    Have a look:
    YouTube - Acer TimelineX 3820TG display problems

     
  49. Armchair_Allstar

    Armchair_Allstar Notebook Guru

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    I don't know any laptop manufacturers that require hard drives to do repairs (unless it is the hard drive that is bad). In fact, if you know how to take them out they encourage it. With the amount of sensitive data on peoples hard drives these days they want nothing to do with the backlash when that stuff gets wiped out.
     
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    Thanks. Already mentioned by Lastdon, but thank you again for your help.

     
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