Acer TimelineX 3830/4830/5830 T/G

Download Windows installer from here (same version with yours) and use the windows key under the notebook to activate it..
http://forum.notebookreview.com/win...-7-download-links-just-like-vista-before.html

 

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here!

But from the pictures and the video of the 8481 in the links posted, the 8481 keyboard style and layout looks identical to the 38x0xx/48x0xx keyboards.

If that's the case and the 8481 doesn't end up having a backlit keyboard included or available as a direct option, it may be something that could be modded just like the 3820TG/4820TG models were!

 

how can u preserve the battery life span of the 4830TG if the battery cannot be removed..??

 

I noticed that when I looked at it too. The keyboard is the classic Acer "island" KB. So, yea, in theory it looks like you can do the backlit mod on it. I recall that there is a slight difference between the thickness of the keyboard tray in the Timelines and the Travelmates but since you have to custom fit the KB anyway, it should not be a big problem. Is this display any brighter than the Timeline or does it have better contrast?

Bronsky

 

I use an external monitor and the combination is as good as any desktop computer I would need.

 

Guys, i wanna ask if the bluetooth works perfectly. Mine does not - after attempting all the drivers Acer provides in the disk(Foxconn Atheros, Broadcom, Honhai). It cant locate my phone. And the software won't start itself. Despite Windows said the software(driver) has been successfully installed.

Goshhhh =((((

 

Mine works. Perhaps your phone is just invisible?

 

So have they fix the issue on 3830 with the gt 540m?

I mean if this is working perfectly fine then this is a much better computer and deal than the loud fan sucky screen m11x r3.

 

No, they haven't fixed anything yet and I don't believe they will ever be able to.

 

The x830TG series all suffer from insufficient cooling for the amount of heat their GPU and CPU can produce at the same time under maximum load. This is not likely to be fixed, ever. Some suffer less than others, likely due to better application of thermal compound / flatness of the heatsink interface.

HOWEVER, the current Acer BIOS response is non-optimal, and shuts down the CPU to its lowest frequency much too early, at something like 70C. Throttlestop allows you to adjust this throttling point, but beware that the x830TG machines seem to shut down somewhere in the 90 to 95C CPU temperature range. With throttle stop most folks can get decent sustained gaming performance. Being able to keep the CPU frequency in the 1.8 to 2.1GHz range makes it usable, whereas dropping down to the lowest frequency (it's like 800MHz or 1GHz or something) just kills performance.

Being only an incremental (10 to 15%) performance gain from the previous generation TimelineX machines, and only when it's NOT throttling, the x830TG is likely to remain a disappointment until Acer fixes the issue in the next model.

 

My phone is visible. The fact is the windows can't even load the programme up!

 

I assume you have switched the bluetooth on from Fn + F3?

 

Ok, I don't know what is going on now...
I have the 3830. I have bios 1.05 installed.
I was just playing Crysis 2 and noticed that when I minimized the game and went back to look at throttlestop it was bouncing back and forth between profile 1 and 2 temps being around 83-85C. I shut off throttle stop and low and behold, no throttling was happening. Temps just hovered there anyway.
Just to see what was happening, I shut down Crysis and temps went down to 65C and CPU down to about 1.3GHZ baseline.
I went ahead and kept throttlestop off and ran prime95 and immediately the CPU ramped up to 2.7GHz and temps reached upwards of about 90C continuous.
So, there seems to be no throttling. When I turned Throttlestop back on it only then started throttling back to 85C given the profile settings as described in prior posts.

Anyone able to explain this??

 

This post should be a sticky in the Acer sub-forum.

 

Ok, Just confirmed. Rebooted, ran AIDA64 and watched with CPUid. Ran the stress test and absolutely no throttling.

CPU pinned at 100% multiplier at 27 with temps reaching a sustained 90C for over 10min.

No throttlestop running. All is stock.

Anyone else able to confirm theirs is not throttling as well?!

Addendum : reran testing adding in furmark gpu test and get sustained multiplier of 20 with temps around 90c and CPU remains at 100%.
Not sure what is going on but does not throttle back to 12x

Perhaps someone can understand better ?

 

Yup, it was already on...

 

Perhaps the cooling is better in the 5830 due to more space. In the 3/4830 models with core i5, the throttling to 1200 mhz starts at 85°C and stops only below 50°C. If the temps reach 100°C, the system is immediately shut off.

The only way to prevent throttling under normal conditions (normal room temp, notebook on the desk) is setting a max-multiplier of 18. Lifting it allows 19/20. A cooling pad allows some more.

Some macbooks seem to have the same problem.

 

My 4830TG with i5 and 1.05 still throttles exactly like it did the day i bought it.

 

Yes, the 4830 has the same problems. It has more space due to its form factor, but uses it for an optical drive, which the 3830 doesn't have. The 5830 doesn't have more stuff in it, but a bigger case. Because of that, the cooling might be better.

 

I'm sorry! wrote 5830 instead of 3830....

I think I see what might be happening. Throttlestop settings continue to stay active despite shutting off the program and ending the process.
Is this typical behavior?

 

This is possible. Some Asus owners have reported the same thing.

If you shut down your computer and don't run ThrottleStop, it should not be changing anything. If your laptop doesn't throttle then maybe you don't need to be using ThrottleStop. You can try running RealTemp which will accurately report your multiplier.

RealTemp 3.67
http://www.mediafire.com/?jibd769x6z7n0c8

 

Hi all,I has two question, please send me report Thanks
1)I bought Aspire 5830TG(i5 2410,4gb ddr3 +bought to second slot next 4gb,wdblack 750gb,540m 2gb ddr3,..) in 08-05-2011, after unbox and start notebook my battery drain was 2%. Now after 2months is battery drain 5% IS IT NORMAL?
2)And my second question is about reproductors, when I play mp3 and turnon wifi and connect with any wifi site my repro make cracking.
/After connecting to wifi speakers will do after 10-20 seconds, weird noise, such cracking. also noted that one? This noise should take one second and appears +-20 seconds after I connected to wifi. when I have internet via cable so this does not:/

I want to thank everyone in advance what they give me know, thank you (sorry for my english)

+PS:and as for "throttling" my version bios is 1.05(I bought my notebook aspire with 1.02 and I flash bios every when acer created new version 1.03 1.04 and now newer 1.05) and no play does not reduce my processor speed and framerate, up to gta4complete where framerate drops occasionally (I can not explain it, yet when I look into aida64 the cpu still runs at 2300 or 2600) strange.

 

Thanks!

I used realtemp and ran prime95 in the test section. CPU stayed at 100% (27multiplier --2700hz) and temps hovered around 90c.

Does Prime95 shut off throttling during its testing or is my computer just not having the throttling problem any longer??

When playing crysis 2 and selecting Nvidia chip to run exclusively I have had a couple of shutdowns during the game even when running throttlestop.
changing the gpu settings to automatic stops that issue and I see no real degredation in performance.

granted, the 3d graphic detail is not quite as good as a supreme gaming desktop but the game is very playable

 

Throttling can be triggered by temperature or power consumption. Prime95 doesn't use the GPU so total power consumption isn't as much as when running a demanding game that is working the CPU and GPU simultaneously. If your CPU is getting too hot when using ThrottleStop, set up a ThrottleStop alarm and get the program to switch to the second profile so the CPU will throttle a little bit and control heat without dropping down to its minimum speed. There was a good guide a few pages ago in this thread. I'll see if I can find it.

Thanks to robohgedhang for showing us how he is handling this problem.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/7631774-post1378.html

Setting a DTS alarm and switching profiles at DTS=10 or 15 will help keep your laptop from overheating and shutting down while gaming.

 

Yes. thank you. I used that profile that was posted earlier.
What I am wondering is why I'm showing no throttling at all when running Prime95 even when temps get to 90C the CPU is still at full bore. When I first got the laptop it would throttle down to 1200HZ when temps got even a bit warm.

 

My desktop maschine is a AMD DualCore x64 from 2008 with a Nvidia GT 240 and 4GB RAM. Even at 1920x1080, it's running faster than the 3830TG.

But it's a mystery to me why your system doesn't throttle at 90°C. My 3830TG stops the turbo boost at 85C and throttles down at 90C. Tomorrow, I'll send it in.

 

1. that's very good. Mine's 3830TG is about 34% in less than two weeks, and after 5 days in the ACSC, it is 40%
2. maybe this may help http://forum.notebookreview.com/7652038-post1462.html

TIP: (you may already know) How to monitor live throttling, multiplier, temps, etc when you're playing a game.
1. Connect an external monitor, better if it is gaming monitor, set as main monitor
2. Set the laptop builtin monitor as secondary monitor
3. now, open ThrottleStop, RealTemp, and whatever you want, and drag the windows to the laptop builtin monitor
4. Play on your gaming monitor!
(you can set the external monitor as secondary monitor too if you want to play on the laptop's screen, don't forget to move the ThrotteStop, RealTemp, etc windows to the external monitor)
All these settings are done from Screen Resolution menu in right-click Desktop. (Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Display\Screen Resolution)
Sorry I can't give the click-by-click guide since my 3830TG is currently in ACSC.

 

So has throttlestop fix the issue with the 3830tg throttling?

 

to ptrkhh: Thanks

And about monitor, yes when I go home and I play games only on my external monitor Samsung SyncMaster 22' and turnoff buidin monitor in notebook.
(but I also tried to turn both to determine performance. performance does not drop, only one game and it drops me GTA4Complete.
I tested with both monitors, and on notebook monitor I set aida64 and other diagnostic tools and on external monitor play games, all games works perfect only on GTA4Complete, every after +-5minutes radical lowest framerate:,/ other games do not do)

And thx for reply about battery, now is my big problem reproductors cracking when turnon wifi and connect on wifi site
(ok i test it uninstall preinstalled sound drivers and install sound driver from windows update and i give feedback, see you soon)

 

to mavo82: Hi, yes speakers(sorry for my english). When I turnon wifi and connect on wifi site and start play any music or film etw. every +-20sec my speakers make cracking on +-1sec.
(all drivers is from manufacture, I tested uninstall preinstalled sound driver and instal microsoft driver but still cracking:/)

 

People seem to really like or HATE the island/lily pad style.

For typing I think it's actually quite good! I can see where the chiclet style has advantages though.

Dunno! We'll have to wait longer to find out more about the display in the Travelmate 8481. I like the concept of a 14" LCD in the 13.3" frame though!

If Acer took the superior cooling design of the 3820TG, added a backlit keyboard option or included it by default, included some of the updated hardware of the 3830TG, and included a higher quality LCD, I think they could really make some waves in the 13.3/14" market segment. It would obviously cost more than the 3820TG/3830TG models of course.

And if they used a higher caliber material for construction - all aluminum, carbon fiber, etc - they could win over some of the Apple/Lenovo crowd too.

 

For people hating the island keyboard, but loving the rest of the 8481, there's an altertive from LG: LG P420-N.AE21G im Test Schmaler Schönling auf notebookjournal.de

Don't know if this is also shipped in the US oder Canada, but it might be a good choice apart from the GT520m, which is really slow. They even managed to integrate an optical drive (which can be removed to reduce weight). Having only one fan, the model has no problems with throttling. It has a similar display as the 8481 will get, although it's a glare one.

 

By the way, anybody annoyed about the constant clacking the hdd does especially on battery power? Just checked my smart infos, the load cycle is at 32420 after two months. the hdd limit is 600,000, at this rate my datas gonna be destroyed in less than 3 years.

 

I've been thinking, what do you think of Intel's Smart Response Technology? What do you think if such technology is placed on the next generation x830TG laptop?

 

I noticed that thinkpad x220 and t420 users are having throttling issue with sandy bridge cpu.

Is this a throttling issue and defect on Sandy Bridge or is it only certain laptops like the 3830tg?

 

Yes, I noticed this the first time I unplugged power adapter from my 3830TG. This is a problem of HDD power saving settings which are probably hardcoded in the HDD's firmware. It's not direct problem of Acer but known issue of some WD harddrives.

I tried many tools that are dealing with this issue but most of them were not working as I wanted...finally the best one that worked for me was Hdparm (win7 compatible CLI version here: Index of /hdparm )
Basically, you need to run the hdparm with couple of apm/aam switches to override the default HDD firmware settings everytime the harddrive 'decides' to change the apm/aam values.(this usually happens when switching battery<->power adapter, reboot, waking from sleep/hibernation etc. and other situations)

So for me the options were:
-make shortcut for the Hdparm call and run it manually everytime the hd changes the power saving states
-make own tool that will watch the values and use the Hdparm to correct the values.

Guess which option I picked ...So I have made my own little program that uses the Hdparm doing the job for me automatically.
I'm using it for more than 2 months without any big issues. If there is any interest I could share the tool with you(or anyone who would like to test it). Just let me know and I'll polish the code for 'public' release.

 

Apparently there was talk of throttling in a review of the Sony Vaio SB, but I asked about it on the owner's thread and noone had noticed it (or even looked for it?). I've now bought an SB with i5 2520 and Radeon 6630 and haven't noticed any throttling yet. I've played Metro 2033 (on low) and Shift 2 for many hours at a time. I have my laptop raised about 4 cm off the desk and I get temperatures of about 85C for the CPU, can't remember but less for the GPU. I seem to remember with the laptop on the desk, the CPU sometimes went up to 90C.

If I someone told me how to conclusively test for possible throttling issues I would.

 

Thanks mza, so basically this is just a screw up on Acer's part on how to properly cool the gt 540m and 2nd gen full mobile cpu.

There's a reason why the m11x is thicker and a little heavier and uses a ulv cpu together with the gt 540m to properly cool it.

Maybe Acer thought " hey let's build one a slim/light laptop and throw in a gt 540m and a fully mobile cpu" without thinking about the thermal budget.

It's like putting a Ferrari engine on a Ford Focus where the Focus won't be able to handle the horsepower of the engine so the car will rattle and overheat and shut down.

 

I don't think that's the problem. The last gen 3820tg had an i5+5650 combo with a similar tdp but actually weighed less than the 3830tg and it didn't have any overheating problems at all.

The problem is design. If Acer kept the dual fan cooling system, there would be no throttling problem right now.

 

I agree partly, a dual fan design would be best. But the new LG uses a single fan as well and has no problems at all with throttling.

When I bought the 3830TG, I hoped it might shut down the fan in idle mode like my years old Thinkpad T42, but no way! It's running all the time.

Acer is not alone with the problem. As I already wrote, the new Macbook Pro also suffer the same problem. They come with disabled turbo boost and throttle down to 800 Mhz after some seconds already. Using the same design for 3 years of notebooks doesn't seem to be a great idea.

 

Pretty sure Acer will stick with the single fan design, as dual fan design takes up too much space. Heck, even the ODD takes up too much space.

 

I like your illustration..
I think I might wait for VAIO SA.. still not available in my country..

 

But the dual fan 3820TG weighed LESS than the single fan 3830TG does.

 

I guess it's simply cheaper to manufacture with one cooling block than with two.

 

Yeah, saves Acer 5 dollars for each notebook

 

Acer doesn't care about that. The only thing Acer (at least right now) cares about is, "where can I save an extra cent"?

 

I see you're having good time bashing Acer for using single fan on 3830TG.
Just one thing- it has nothing to do with throttling. Some of you seem to realize that.
4820TG and 5820TG have had one fan and there were no throttling issues- 4830TG and 5830TG still have on fan and both have throttling issues.

Most notebooks have one fan and most notebooks have/had no throttling issues whatsoever before Sandy Bridge made its debut.

So many notebooks made by quite a few manufacturers do suffer from throttling and it all ends up being Acer's fault for not using two fans one one of their models? Come on. Do I have to point my finger in the general direction of Intel, or what?

 

Actually, the 4820TG did have throttling issues. Particualrly, with the 90C max temps of the I3. The inability to deal with the Arrandale's heat caused Acer to stop using I3 CPU's in the 4820TG while they still sold the 3820TG in that configuration with never a heat issue. The I5's had a lot more headroom with a 105C max temp but, even at that, a lot of owners used coolers, etc., when gaming. The 4820TG I7's also had a lot of throttling issues (Il Diavolo model).

Bronsky

 

To be honest none of the Timeline X notebooks had a particularly good cooling system (3820TG included) if you compare them to any decent Gemstone Blue series but there's a difference between some laptops in some configurations experiencing issues and all laptops in all configurations experiencing issues.
That's why Acer is not really to blame and definitely not because they used one fan less than previously.