Asus G53SX vs m14x hardware GPU

Hello, I have recently tested the m14x for all newest games, bf2 all maxed out and crysis 2 all maxed out 720p were both playable with heavy OC on the GPU but how is really the GT555 compared too a GTX460?

http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/asus-g53sw.aspx?page=2

In this review the GPU in m14x are some fps slower, but is the difference really that big? They compare the laptops in newer games but I thought the difference would be bigger.

I suppose BF3 will be playable at 720p at close to maxium or maybe that is just wishfull thinking?

I love that the m14x is so portable and "powerfull" for it size, but I still think that they could at least throw an gtx260 inside this laptop.
I never had an 15,6 as well, my friend saying that its perfectly portable but I doubt it after reading the review.

So, any advice here regarding if im just kind of a little spoiled brat ?

 

The new asus g53 is gonna have the gtx 560m My friend's getting that over the m14x. I got the m14x. It's a nice laptop, was kind of expecting more out of the gt555m. I wouldn't think the asus is really portable on a daily basis. But my m14x doesn't get much battery life, 3-3.5 hours. With everything turned down. The asus gets around the same and its only around a pound heavier. My advice, get a cheap netbook or ipad, and consider either the m14x and asus g53. Though i love taking my m14x around, I don't want to accidentally damage it. Or waste it's recharge cycles (only 300 before the battery dies) on my low battery life. I mostly use my old laptop for portability.

 

Yeah, you got some points there - but I must however warn you that the new asus g53 is worse then the older since the gtx 560m running 128bit and not 192bit, so the gtx460 is actually better.

Im going to the store to take a look at some laptops and then decide what Im going to do, thank you for your input.

 

How do you know g53 will have 128 bit bus?? YOU CANT! Because it is not released yet, nobody can say something about it's gpu bus. Asus wont make it's newer laptop worser than its predecessor. They can put 64 bit memory controllers instead of 32 so it can be 192 bit with 2gb vram. All you have to do wait till they release g53 and then someone will take a screenshot from gpu-z and then we can discuss.

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's 128-bit. ASUS isn't making these chips themselves you know; they get them from Nvidia like everyone else, and they chose to go with the 2 GB 128-bit version. It's been easy to figure out for a while; even denominations (1 GB or 2 GB) are 128-bit or 256-bit, odd denominations 1.5 GB or 3 GB are 192-bit. The GTX 560m maxes out at 192-bit, so we know this is a 128-bit part. This is nothing new if you've followed this generation of Nvidia GPUs. They can come in several combinations differing in memory type, memory bus, and shaders. The GT 555m alone had at least 4 variants.

And who says ASUS (or any manufacturer) wouldn't make a worse laptop than a predecessor? There's no rule against that. It's not so much that it's tremendously worse (it isn't), it's just not overtly better in any way because of this decision.

Confirmation from Ken Lee at GenTech PC (a very popular enthusiast notebook shop which sells ASUS and has strong a relationship with the manufacturer): http://forum.notebookreview.com/7561916-post41.html. That is in reference to this post, which did the math. http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/582766-new-asus-g74sx-g53sx-now-available-pre-order-gentech-3.html#post7558527

 

How can you know otherwise? YOU CANT?
Dont be so naiv when it comes to marketing - then you can ask why alienware recommend the 3gig version of GT555 when its complete useless, its all about hide the "real deal" You can ask why bother with 2gig vram in the asus g53sx ?

You can't make a card with 2GB and a 192bit bus. 192bits means 6 VRAM chips (32bits each).
256MB * 6 = 1.5GB
512MB * 6 = 3GB

Yeah, I am aware .. or at least I heard that Nvidia were working with 64 moduling but Im curious if that is true or only rumours - either whay the 560M are only 10% faster then 460M since (if 192bit )

And the fact that Nvidia confirmed itself makes me pretty sure, so spare me that negative tone.

Edit: Yeah, like he said above me.

 

Perhaps he is aware of a RAM manufacturer that makes 341.3MB VRAM chips. 341.3 * 6 = 2048 MB : 6 * 32 = 192-bits.

/sarcasm

 

You just made me giggle.
Now that ... would be something. Haha. ;D

 

I know EVERYTHING you said. The things you have mentioned above or math calculations whatever is all about 32 bit but i am talking about 64 bit chips so maybe they will put 64 bit chips instead of 32 so it can be 192 bit with 2 gb vram. As i said we can only guess now, we will uncover the truth when they release it and if they put 128 bit, i will boycott asus and buy msi gt780 ( I am serious)

 

Yeah, like I said I heard some rumours about 64bit chips (look how AMD/ATI solved it - genious) but like you said - we just have to wait and see and I agree - that is a good enough reason to boycott asus.

 

But even that math doesn't work. Assuming 64-bit chips in a 192-bit memory bus, at 2048 MB... 192 / 64 = 3. 2048 / 3 = 682.66 MB. Frankly, no one is making 682.66 MB VRAM chips. If it were 64-bit, which is somewhat of a breakthrough, you'd see a lot more hoopla about it. Nvidia and AMD sure do like a good pissing contest.

Take those who are in the know (and I mean Ken Lee and pretty much the entire ASUS forum) for their word when they say with all confidence that the part is 128-bit. Everyone will be more than happy to be proven wrong...

 

I have done lots of reading on here and it seems that most people think that everything is better than the m14x. So it's safe to assume the Asus is also better than the m14x.

 

ok, calculations you made is correct but try to put both 32 and 64 bit chips
2*64 and 2*32 2048/4 =512 that seems great

 

Probably, everyone compares the m14x to every size of laptop that's bigger then says it's under powered. Size wise I'm comfortable taking my m14x to work everyday, where as a G53SX I think it's possible to carry it everyday but it's on the fringe. I think it's been stated before also that the m14x is more like a normal sized 15.6 laptop and the 15.6 gaming laptops are more like 17+ inch normal laptops. So in all reality you aren't comparing apples to apples, you might as well call the m11x a POS because compared to a m17x or a G53SX it's under powered even though for a 11-12" laptop it's ridiculously fast with really good battery life. I'm 100% happy with my m14x and I've since got buyers for my m11x and me Asus G73 because the m14x is powerful enough to replace my huge G73 and REALISTICALLY portable enough to replace my m11x. If you're looking for a monster laptop that you'll never move or unplug look somewhere else.

 

I agree in that people are making a huge mistake in comparing the M14x to those true enthusiast performance rigs. They really are not in the same class at all, even though there is Alienware badging on these things. The M14x is not an M15x, and I think Alienware could/should fill that hole in their line up and bring the M15x back.

Size is very deceptive. The M14x is actually as big or bigger than some similarly specced consumer laptops with 15.6" LCDs. Here's my math from another thread. The dv6-6xxx and the M14x should run neck and neck in pretty much every benchmark.

The M14x is not a 14" laptop. It's a 15.6" laptop with a smaller screen.

 

Totally agree man, that's why I went with the m14x. It's basically a relatively normal sized 15.6" laptop but when you go to the 15.6" gaming laptop it becomes more a 17" normal sized laptop which I think personally is a real PITA to carry daily. Obviously everyone has their own opinion of what is to big to lug around every day and mine happens to be 15.6"ish 6-8 lbs normal laptop dimentions and if you carry a 17" daily you're my hero . And that DV6 is a really nice alternative and even better in some aspects, I'd really recommend people take a look at that if they're looking at a m14x.

 

Im hoping someone gets both a G53 and M14x and does some size comparisons. Maybe thatll make people realize the m14x is pretty small for its power. Last 3 posts are right on.

 

It's not as good as actual pictures, but someone threw a comparo up at Sized Up.

I ran the size numbers through my own volume calculator, and the G53's are disturbingly large. It's basically an M17x in size. MASSIVE. I think it was over 350 cubic inches. Compare that to the M14x's 201 cubic inches and you can see that the G53 is nearly 50% larger in overall volume. Gross.

 

Im sticking with my m14x for now. Its just cool. There's always a faster notebook.

 

I really hope they do something like that

 

One thing I admire about the Asus g53 is the dual hard drive support. I know it adds bulk, and I wouldn't want that in my m14x, but you gotta admit, there's a lot of storage options there. Raid options, ssd boot drive with a storage drive options. Can even get a cheap intel 32 gb ssd just for the os. If i didn't need portability so much, I probably would've gotten the asus g53. But I guess the m14x is the next best thing. The MSI GT683R-242US is pretty sweet as well.
http://www.msimobile.com/level3_productpage.aspx?cid=6&id=310

I'm considering taking out the optical drive to make room for a second hdd bay. I never used the drive either. But I know if I remove it, that's the time i'll need my cd drive.

The gt555m can be overclocked to catch up with the gtx 460/560m. Mine is a beast when it's overclocked. But Asus has a sweet overclocking program called gpu tweak. I'm sure it will boost the G53's gpu speed significantly. And with a dedicated fan for the gpu, I'm sure it can handle a higher overclock. Plus I read about people repasting the cpu/gpu with a better grade compound, since the gpu is an actual card, and getting low temps even with a huge overclock.

I might do that with my m14x to aid the high heat of the sandy bridge processor.

 

Agreed. It's the one thing I really wish Clevo had designed into their 15" laptops if it were possible to do so without adding much more bulk. The ASUS G53 is really more like a 17" laptop in size, which really hampers portability.

The best solution which I hope one day becomes either standard, or an option that every manufacturer implements, is something like Lenovo's RapidDrive or even Apple's MacBook Air. Installing an internal PCIe-based/mSATA SSD (much smaller in size than a 2.5" SSD; they used to make ExpressCard/34 size SSDs "back in the day") to use as a boot drive would really boost speeds without taking up much space at all.