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    120 hz.

    Discussion in 'Alienware 17 and M17x' started by Toledano, Jul 31, 2011.

  1. Toledano

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    Hey, don't laugh at me or anything, but how do I make the screen from 60hz to 120hz?
     
  2. Smooth_J

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    Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Display\Screen Resolution

    Advanced settings -> Monitor Tab -> Screen refresh rate
     
  3. Toledano

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    Thanks :) Now for another question, does that shorten the lifespan of the screen?
     
  4. Smooth_J

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    Well, if a screen is made to get 120hz I don't see how it would. Good question though...never thought of that :p

    I have a AW2310 and I usually keep it at 60 hz.
     
  5. d2c

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    havent tried 3d gamin on computers is it good. also why did u return your m18 smooth j
     
  6. Smooth_J

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    I really should put it in the signature since I get asked it all the time :p

    Anyway, to make a long drown out story short, it was due to two reasons:
    1) They wouldn't let me upgrade my warranty at the point of sale (POS) price within the 21 days, even though someone else did that without any issues. They advised me to return the laptop and reorder... The price of a 4 year warranty with complete care was around $1500.

    2) It had a paint chip on the top of the lid, which they would of fixed.
     
  7. Toledano

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    Yeah, that's what I thought, but I called Dell, and they said it doesn't.
     
  8. zoolian982

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    Dell is evil. That's my current perspective of them.

    If there is indeed an option to change from 60 to 120, I would just keep it at 60hz, 120 makes no noticeable difference unless you have the 3D screen for the 3D stuff.
     
  9. Toledano

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    O, ok, why don't you like Dell? And doesn't 120hz make the image smoother, so its better for moving objects, exe. movies, games etc. etc...
     
  10. almostinsane

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    Yeah, 120 is a lot smoother for games and just the Windows desktop.
     
  11. Toledano

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    Thanks, that's what i thought. :)
     
  12. livid

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    Have you ever watched TV and movies on a 120 Hz screen? The difference is very noticeable.
     
  13. zoolian982

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    Not really noticable. i watch blu ray movies on a big hdtv and that's the only time i see much of a difference.


    And dell's evil because they can't even properly support me on minor tech issues. Like optimus.
     
  14. LVNeptune

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    Don't confuse 120hz with SmoothMotion or whatever TV manufacturer's call it these days. That technology is a huge fail. It fills in frames with portions of the next frame to give it smoother picture which is supposed to be more "life like"

    If the content ORIGINALLY was filmed at 120hz or higher then I could understand. Most cameras don't record at 120hz though, and if they do you can see some pretty cool stuff if you look at helicopters, your fan, other things that spin fast, LED's, etc.
     
  15. zoolian982

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    Its not some smooth motion thing, just some 1080p hd samsung tv.

    I just never notice much of a difference on 120hz vs 60hz.
     
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    You can notice it moving your cursor slowly around screen. 60hz it is jumpy, 120hz is smooooooth
     
  17. Toledano

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    Ah...so I guess I'll leave it @ 120hz.
     
  18. Toledano

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    Ah, so i guess ill leave it @ 120hz.
     
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    The cursor is the only difference I can notice. But better than nothing!
     
  20. james_2k

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    you notice it when games go over 60 fps
     
  21. Toledano

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    Yup, i was just gonna say something like that.
     
  22. maxtek

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    120Hz is primarily meant for 3D usage. To the naked eye, it's very hard to see any differences between 60Hz and 120Hz..
     
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    Except by moving the mouse very slowly. Apparently.
     
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    Try it, it's pretty cool :D
     
  25. Toledano

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    No... Plasmas have refresh rates of 120 and they aren't 3D.
     
  26. TostitoBandito

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    3D is one reason. The other reason is that 120 is a multiple of 24, which is the native frame rate of film and 1080p@24 Blu-Rays. A display that can refresh at 120 Hz instead of 60 Hz can display this content natively without any frame interpolation.

    And as many people have said, no you can't tell the difference above 60 Hz or so. Aside from the two technical reasons I stated, the high refresh rates on TV's (eg. 600 Hz, motionflow, etc...) are complete gimmicks.
     
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    How is 'a method to smooth out the motion between frames' a complete gimmick? And yes, you can tell a difference between 60 hz and a higher refresh rate.Try watching sports on a 60hz LCD. The picture smears as the mothion is too fast for the LCD to refresh. 120hz displays look much better.
     
  28. TostitoBandito

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    The quality of the panel and the video scalar is far more important than refresh rate. I own a high-end 60 Hz LCD and a much newer low-mid end 120 (or maybe 240) Hz LCD. The 60 Hz LCD handles motion noticibly better.

    Refresh rates above 60 Hz for purposes other than 24p in or 3D is 100% marketing gimmick. You can find numerous videophile articles online to support this.
     
  29. almostinsane

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    oh, so you are saying the 60hz LCD in the m17x is better quality than the 120hz LCD?

    And the scaling is done by the GPU.

    lol, numerous videophile articles. Where - on CNET?
     
  30. livid

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    He's saying that he paid more for his 60 Hz LCD instead of his 120 Hz model. Go figure, a Sharp Aquos 60 Hz will be better than Vizio 120 Hz /sarcasm.

    The Dell LCD's work differently. If you pay for the 120 Hz screen, you're getting the better quality screen with more gamut vs the 60 Hz screen that you would normally find in 'x' manufacturers' notebook.
     
  31. TostitoBandito

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    The 60 Hz and 120 Hz m17x panels are identical apart from refresh rate and some additional brightness on the 120 Hz panel. "Quality" (eg. gamut, uniformity, etc...) is identical.

    I was speaking in reference to TV's, but it applies to monitors as well.

    As far as articles and opinions, I was thinking more along the lines of AVSForum.
     
  32. james_2k

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    120 looks far better in motion than 60.. confirmed by me :p
     
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    I have both the 60 and 120Hz screens in front of me and there is a pretty significant difference between the two in my opinion. I know the official specs state there is a small brightness difference but the 120Hz screen seems so much more colorful and crisp plus the viewing angles seem better.

    Now is it worth giving up hours of battery I don't know. I didn't realize you gave up any type of graphics switching when getting the 3D screen and I don't believe its stated anywhere when buying the system.
     
  34. maxtek

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    Also, the 120Hz screen is 100nits brighter to compensate for the 3D vision.
     
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    But its still too dark. :(
     
  36. maxtek

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    Lol well that's the sad part about alienwares... But then again, I don't see anyone who's smart enough to game on their alienwares in broad daylight..

    I game at night in a pitch dark room and screen quality is just flawless~
     
  37. james_2k

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    too dark?? are you blind? :p
     
  38. maxtek

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    Actually it is, when compared to the likes of Macbook Pros. Hell, my HP Envy is even brighter lol.
     
  39. LVNeptune

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    Speaking in frames per second, it has been disproven that we can't see a difference between 60fps and 120fps. And it has been disproven AGAIN that we can only see up a to a maximum of 120fps, since we now have 240hz refresh rates. The theorized FPS we can see at is somewhere >120fps and <240fps, anything higher and we can't tell.
     
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    some people think we cant see higher than 24 fps... silly people
     
  41. widezu69

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    The 120/240Hz refresh rates are to help with movies allowing the 24fps video to sync properly displaying at 5/10 times per frame. Some higher end tvs employ some fancy interpolation techniques to fill the repeats with intermediate frames to allow for even smoother playback, you could say it is a form of vsync. A 24fps video on a 60Hz receives a 3:2 pulldown whereby frame 1 is displayed 3 times, the 2nd twice, the 3rd thrice, the four twice, etc which results in uneven playback, if a player cannot perform the pulldown, tearing is seen. Movie projectors in cinemas sync at either 24Hz or 48Hz to maintain the film effect.
    This is why I am after the 120Hz screen as it gives movies a better feel with a proper even frame distribution. I couldn't care less about 3D.