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    3dMark06 15418...urgh?

    Discussion in 'Alienware 17 and M17x' started by The0ne, Oct 21, 2010.

  1. The0ne

    The0ne Notebook Consultant

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    Have to get dress and run out but while I was cleaning up the benchmark finished and that's the score I got.

    I7-620
    4870 XF
    4Gig 1066
    500Gig 72000RPM

    Some of the demos crawled around 0-1fps and looked like crap. The tech just finished installing the 2nd video card and XF is enabled on it now.

    After a quick look at the scores some of you have in the Benchmark thread it appears I'm very low. I do realize that the hardware may not be the same. I just don't have the time now to read through those 500 pages :eek:


    Andrew,
     
  2. anodize

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    Umm.. looks normal for 4870's. Even my 720qm gets 0-2 fps on the cpu tests.
     
  3. Predator4rmMars

    Predator4rmMars Notebook Evangelist

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    Hey TheOne,

    The score seems decent for a 620, 4GB 1066, 4870CFX setup, especially since your not o'cing. Your scores are gonna be in the 14-15k range at stock.
     
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    So many 5870 benchmarks made him confused. :D
     
  5. johnsmor

    johnsmor Notebook Geek

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    Mine stock pulls about 15000+ overclocked by about 1% I get close to 18000

    You have a better bench mark then me stock, I'd shut up before I make you shut up :p
     
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    Even my 820qm gets 0-3 FPS on the CPU tests :p

    Can't wait to see the 0-4 FPS I get when I get my 940XM...

    Wonder how the new Intel Processor (Sandy Bridge) will work on the 3DMark06 CPU tests. Believe they essentially have a GPU built into the processor.. Saw some pictures of them playing SC2 with it and comparing it to a CPU with an Nvdia 300 series video card.

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/3922/intels-sandy-bridge-architecture-exposed/5
     
  7. oneabove

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    Iam getting 14600 in 3dmark06. I don't know what's wrong. Tried everything. And I get 5800 in pcmark vantage. P13k in 3dmark vantage.
     
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    That's about average score for your system.
     
  9. TurbodTalon

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    There NEEDS to be a sticky about this. If your system is configured like 'X', you will get an 'XX,XXX' 3D Mark '06 or Vantage score. C'mon mods.
     
  10. johnsmor

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    Do u have powerplay on or off? Weirdly when I have powerlay on I get over 15000 with it off it is in the range of 12-14.

    You can also get Set FSB and Throttle stop to overclock your 840, i had mine overclocked by about .23ghz and got close to 18000!!
     
  11. Sean50

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    Throttlestop doesn't work on a 820/840qm its only for the extreme processors with unlocked multipliers.
     
  12. ghostdunks

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    I agree on this one. Just a collection of the common configurations that Dell sells, and a Vantage score/3DMark06 score(stock and overclocked numbers). When I first got my system, I ran all the benchmarks, but to see whether I was getting expected performance, I had to wade through hundreds of pages in threads to find something to compare against. While it was good and informative reading and I learned a lot, when I just wanted to compare to see if the system I got was a dud, it was too much.

    something else that would be of help is something similar for SSDs. I know that the Dell Samsung SSDs are a lot slower than the Intels or others, but I wasn't sure if mine was super low or just normal. When I ran my benchmarking on the SSD, again I had to trawl through quite a few threads to find someone else who had done it to compare against. Would have been good to see, oh I got a low score, compare it against other common SSDs we get for this machine, and think, oh, thats just normal for the Sammy.

    Just my 2 cents :)
     
  13. oneabove

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    Well I have powerplay on... no idea why vantage scores mere 5600?? tech support said that i should be getting 10k+ and when I told I get half he said dell doesnt guarantee that... so no help... and also i downloaded the turbo boost driver enlisted under m17x's drivers it doesnt install, says my comp doesnt have the minimum requirements... is that normal??
     
  14. The0ne

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    Alright, I'm back :)

    Well, most of the benchmarks are with higher cpu/gpu configurations so that's not too bad. Thanks for the input on the ranges, that's what I'm looking for to compare with. Shame as I have no games to make use the the 4870s :(
     
  15. DeWinte

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    The intel turbo boost driver only works with i5 procs afaik as it's something to do with the IGP and switching. No need for it if you have an i7.
     
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    We have more or less exact systems where it counts and my max 3dmark 06 score was 16512. It averages out at around 16300 at the mo without any tweaks. The only thing i have done that i dont know if you have is to update to dell 8.763 drivers and vbios. Working a charm too.....

    14600 seems pretty low for this spec, my previous system which was 720qm 4gb ram was pulling almost 14k out the box on older dell drivers/vbios....seems to me like he should get a wee bit more out of that configuration eh?
     
  17. GetFound

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    Yeah I thought I was doing well to get 15350 with my specs. Are you guys saying thats low???
    820qm, xfire 5870, 8gb 1333, 320 gb x2 (not raid)
     
  18. anderj235

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    Would be cool if everyone posted their standard 3DMark06 run in their signature next to their system specs.

    I would put mine but ran out of room... Have to shorten everything I think...

    There we go added for my M15X... Wish i had my M17X already to run a test on... Time has slowed astromonically since I ordered it.

    Hoping it hits close to 18k...
     
  19. johnsmor

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    I have basically the same setup with the only difference being the SSD :p

    But I am getting stock 3Dmark06 scores at around 15700-15800. When I used SetFSB I was able to push it to about 17897, and it was running really well, but just got bored figure could have gotten alot higher...

    I think in reality the Benchmark forums need to be broken up based on CPU series(r1, r2, ..) then CPU#(720/740, 820/840, 920/940) That way it will be a lot easier to compare the performance of our rigs .
     
  20. Predator4rmMars

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    What people have to consider are the driver version that they may be running as well as the fact that not all CPU's are alike and with that comes performance stability. Having said that, I think that the 3D Mark 06 breakdown would be something like this running CFX 5870"s. For those running CFX 4870's, shave off a few hundred points on each score:

    STOCK RUNS
    620: 13-14k
    720: 14-15k (for those that hit 16+ stock, you are blessed)
    820: 15-16k (for those that hit 17+ stock, you are blessed)
    920XM: 18-19k
    940XM: 19-20k

    Keep in mind that these estimates are without OverClocking, and the score in my sig is all stock, at stock clocks, no overclock or mods running A05, 8.692.
    hope this helps!
     
  21. SillyHoney

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    My PCMark Vantage at stock settings is much higher than yours :p

    Everything is in my sig. All scores are without OC'.
     
  22. anderj235

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    Just have to remember that there are many different GPU configurations as well. I think the numbers you have posted would be for those running XF 5870s.
     
  23. Predator4rmMars

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    Thanks anderj235,

    Thanks for the correction, I was referring to CFX5870's just forgot to add that in my post.
     
  24. reborn2003

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    Hey chiefs oles.

    The scores look about right however the 720 and 820 are about 1 or 2k less for stock scores. The 720QM in real life people are getting scores around 13 - 14k. 15k is possible however it depends a lot on the GPU driver as well.

    Same with the 820QM. People have only been getting high 15k and 16.5k scores.

    The other scores look about right though.

    As for a ball park figure with Vantage and the GPU test runs only the 5870s should be scoring high 13k or 14k for the DUAL Crossfire 5870 setup.

    3d mark 06 scores however mainly depend a heap on CPU clock speed. For example a QX9300 would wipe the floor with a 720 or 820QM processor in a 06 run. Stock for stock that is. Half the time you see these older or other CPUs scoring higher scores than our Core i7s; thats due to the heavy reliant clock speed of 3d mark 06 benchmark. I believe it also only uses 2 threads for the CPU if I'm not mistaken.

    Can't wait to try out 3d mark 11 LOL.

    Cheers. :)
     
  25. Predator4rmMars

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    Hey Reborn,

    Thanks for the correction, I spaced the fact that not everyone is riding the same drivers and or CFX setup (4870/5870). I believe that different drivers are what's causing people to have low scores, that's something that's not mentioned when people are posting, so others with similar specs are assuming that their rig is going to score the same or similar.

    I'll have to change those scores that I estimated for the 720 and 820. With regards to real world scores, it is hard to estimate exactly what people are achieving because of the possible conflicting issues that some are experiencing. Afterall the scores that I did post were estimates and not concrete factual evidence, however you are correct in stating that I need to consider the real world scores that some are seeing and posting.

    For instance, my 3D mark 06 score was achieved using A05 bios, 8.692 driver version, and without any mods or overclock. This is low compared to say what Scook9 or DR650SE and others have posted, theoretically I should be scoring high 19k at stock but because not everyones CPU performance is the same and the fact that I am not running the same bios and driver version that they may be running, this is what my beast is capable of.

    Not to sound ignorant of rude for that matter, just out of curiosity :) What are your estimates Reborn, would they be much lower than what I posted or higher in some areas. Hopefuly we can shed some more light on this slightly increasing thread.
     
  26. Predator4rmMars

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    Ya, I have to agree with you on that Reborn! My late R1 had the capability to wipe its feet with the 720 and 820 CPU's, the highest I achieved was 17,200. However my 920 has made its bed with the QX9300. I too can't wait for 3D mark 11, it will be very interesting to truly see what these DX11 cards are truly capable of :D
     
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    Yep no worries chiefs. Your estimates were probably about right and close. It just seems that after viewing a lot of scores lately that people with particular specs were getting like 1 - 2k lower scores due mostly to drivers and background processes running.

    However I'm not really a big fan of 3d mark 06 as it is very CPU dependant and as we all know now is very long in the tooth lol. Its only still viable because there hasn't been anything out to replace it for such a long time. So yeh depending on your CPU and clock rate you could really wipe the floor with that benchmark regardless of your GPU.

    Yeh that is very true as well what you said about the bios settings and which bios revision you are running on your system. I remember some newer bioses place some power limits and thermal trottling and so forth which also hinder the score you can achieve. So some for example the hardcore benches like to go back to older Bios revisions just so they can get the higher score.

    I can only really comment on the scores that I have seen a lot of from people on here. Those scores are:

    720/740QM = 13 to 15k. My 1st run was 15001. I since have only managed 14.2k avg scores on other runs.
    Overclocking my CPU a little bit with SetFSB I managed a 16.5k 3d mark 06 run oles!!!

    820/840QM = 15k to 16.5k
    920/940XM = 18k to 20k

    All on stock CPU clocks of course. The range of scores depends on system bios, vbios, GPUs, GPU drivers and of course background processes running.

    I also believed that most of the benchers all run their systems on notebook coolers. So every little bit counts. You could even kill explorer and then just do a bench run.

    Cheers. :)
     
  28. Predator4rmMars

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    Hey Reborn,

    Ya, that makes perfect sense. I forgot about background processes and the coolers + ambient room temps DOH! My runs too have dropped since, but remain very close by like a couple hundred points, as a matter of fact my last run was 18895 and that was after my fan replacement.
     
  29. oneabove

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    well this is insane everybody here is getting 15.5k+ and only iam getting such a low score... I called the techs again and I should be expecting a call from some resolution agent on Monday.
    People with similar system, could you please post here the broken down scores for your system with 3dmark06. I just ran it again and here are my scores:
    14796
    sm2.0 score : 5614
    sm3.0 score : 7992
    CPU Score : 3407
     
  30. Predator4rmMars

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    Okay first off, did you read the posts made by myself, Reborn and others? Second, are you running background processes while running the benchmark? Third, what bios and driver version are you using? Fourth, Do you have a notebook cooler/what type? Fifth, have you opened your system and cleaned out the fans and heatsink fins? and sixth did you follow the first step in my post?

    Not everyone will hit the same score everytime and your score is not that bad (majority of people that have the same specs and achieve 15k+ are either O'Cing or lucky) and this is seriously nothing to have escalated by AW, your just gonna get shot down as in they are not gonna swap parts or system for that matter because your a few hundred points shy of 15k in 3D mark 06 (It's not reliable software).


    The worst case scenario is you might have a faulty card, or your running in stealth mode, or you have disabled powerplay, or..........I'm not trying to be ignorant or rude, it's just that it seems that you are making a big dea out of nothing? If anything, try to wait until 3D mark 11 comes out, it's just around the corner and the benchmark is designed for our cards (DX11, 5870's) so please calm down.
     
  31. oneabove

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    Okey... Well I have everything updated... bios is A09, amd driver 8.7 and latest vbios. there isnt any dust accumulation... I do have a laptop cooling pad... its cold outside and i keep my windows open always when i am home so room temp is cool too.. cpu and gpu tems are always within the safe zone.. ie gpu doesnt go beyond 75-80c... and I am not worried about the 3dmark score really... what i am concerned more is about the vantage score which if you had gone through my posts you would have noticed is 5700-5900 max... If it is 8k for 720qm and ~12k for 820/840qm how do I be happy knowing that I get just half of it??
     
  32. Predator4rmMars

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    Okay, I understand more now that you've included more info.

    If that is your true vantage score, then ya you might have a issue with one of your graphics cards, then again it could be the drivers. Have you tried re-installing all of your graphics drivers? Because, it sounds like more of a software issue rather than hardware as your 3D mark 06 score of 14k is still rather high. I would try re-installing your graphics drivers and see if that fixes the issue. Also, do you hear any strange noises coming from either side of your rig?
     
  33. reborn2003

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    Oles chiefs.

    Try uninstalling Vantage. reg clean restart. Reinstalling it.

    Also theres new drivers out. Try these oles.

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m17x/527615-amd-10-10-reference-driver-discussion.html

    Also try a GPU run only in Vantage later. You should be getting high 13k to 14k just for the GPU score alone in Vantage.

    Cheers. :)
     
  34. oneabove

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    okey here is the vantage score I got ... I appreciate any help i can get... thanks
     

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    reborn2003 THE CHIEF!

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    Try out the above chiefs. If all still fails only way is to format and reinstall the OS. Then use Grimfans drivers installation page to get you back up to speed.
    Too fully rule out the OS and other things that may be hindering it. It sure can be annoying I know though. If its still failing with a score like that after a fresh OS install again then yeh it could be hardware chiefs. Get dell to swap out your GPUs.

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...70-september-2010-incl-vbios-flash-guide.html

    Cheers. :)
     
  37. steviejones133

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    Yup - i would re-install it too....i kinda had the same issue with 3dmark06 - i installed it from a file on cdr and scores were apalling...i uninstalled it , disc clean and defrag and registry clean.....reinstalled via piriform webiste and bingo....normal scores.

    The other thing to rememeber is that some of the tests are hdr based - meaning how good your hard drives perform or read. In 3dmark06 these tests are part of your overall score so if you have a ssd, your likely to get higher points, im not, you wont.

    Its also true that its unreliable every time...my scores have varied wildly from 16000 up to 16500 ish....

    Havent done a vantage run (my free trial used already lol) so cant comment on those figures but to say that they are low in comparison to what others have suggests you do have an issue somewhere but i would def try a clean install of the benchmarking software first.

    If that doesnt work, try a clean OS install and then a clean install of the benchamrking software and see how you go. I know its a pain in the preverbial but doing that would prove that its hardware related and would give you some ammo to get back to AW with.

    Just my two pennies :)
     
  38. DR650SE

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    whoa, whoa whoa, hold up. Your using PCMark Vantage, not 3DMark Vantage. Huge differance there. Download 3DMark Vantage. Chances are there is nothing wrong with your system.
     
  39. Predator4rmMars

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    lol!!! WOW! I didn't even catch that, well that would definitely explain the low scores.
     
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    Good catch there fella. Well spotted! :eek:
     
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    1000000% this. how many i only got xxxxx on 3do6 my AW sucks! threads are we going to see? a sticky would be nice but, reading through some threads and using the SEARCH feature would solve a lot of these.

    for OP, your 3d06 score is normal for your system specs. stock on mine was 15900-16100 with the 640m. the cpu scores almost never go over 2fps with a dual core cpu.
     
  42. steviejones133

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    Dunno if the OP was expecting massive fps on cpu tests but mine has hit 3 fps max.....also given that the best system tested on 3dmark06 hits just over 4........pretty good to get 2 or even 1 lol
     
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    Oles chiefs ehahahaha. PC MARK SUITE LOL. No wonder your getting very different scores to others chief oles. :p :p ;) ;)

    You need to be running the 3d mark Vantage chiefs oles. :D :D
    Looks like it was just software probs lol. Your system should be fine oles.

    Nice catch DR oles!!!!

    Cheers. :)
     
  45. reborn2003

    reborn2003 THE CHIEF!

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    Ehahahah :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: ;) :D Awesome EYES :cool: there chiefs oles!!! That would explain those 5k scores ole LOL. :D

    Cheers. :)
     
  46. oneabove

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    Well that's exactly I said in my first post here in this thread on the first or second page. I was asking u ppl. My pcmark scores are good?? I am confused guys. Or shouldn't I be bothered?? I get 13k in 3dmark.
     
  47. reborn2003

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    eheheh no worries chiefs. Guess we all missed it till now LOL.
    Guess most of us when referring to 3d mark or Vantage only think of the GPU versions and not the PC one. We don't really run the PC one much around here lol. Or at least no one is talking about it much ehehehhe.

    So you get 13k in 3d mark vantage was it? If so thats fine. Oles.

    Cheers. :)
     
  48. SillyHoney

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    But my PCMark Vantage running at stock settings yields 2 times bigger score than his :eek:

    Score in my sig. No OC'.
     
  49. reborn2003

    reborn2003 THE CHIEF!

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    Oh no kidding ey. Hmmsssss no idea chiefs. I gave it a run once I think a while back and got around 5k as well. Not sure whats up with that one. I enabled everything in the full version suite and just hit run in the PC mark x64 version. So not sure chiefs.

    Nice score though oles. :D

    I might give it another run next time. The damm test takes like an hour to run though. So that put me off LOL.

    Cheers. :)
     
  50. Porter

    Porter Notebook Virtuoso

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    Because of the SSD's maybe?
     
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