580m ocing

having some issues with overclocking this card..

anything above a certain amount is causing the card to clock down to 2d frequencies for a few seconds, then back to normal (as if overheating) every few minutes but its NOT crashing

max temp seen is 70 degrees..

this is annoying

anyone else tried OCing yet?

 

seems it the built in throttling, and its doing my head in because its not hot enough to throttle!! but its killing my ocs

 

Yea, Aikimox was saying that they somehow made it Furmark proof and other things like that. Which in my opinion completely defeats the purpose of a GPU. Why make one that won't be able to be pushed to 100% capacity? Why even bother offering it? They Castrated the 580M from what I've seen and read.

 

not just furmark. happens in crysis 2 and 3d mark. but not unreal heaven 2.5...

 

Which is why I wonder why they even bothered making the GPU to begin with. If your playing a stressful game, you want 100% GPU Utilization. Why throttle it at that point? Why not just create a GPU that is 80% capable of the 580M and allow it to be utilized 100% with out being throttled? Seems like that would be a more effective option. It's like making a sports car and putting an OEM governor on it at 60MPH Sure it looks great on paper and for marketing, but when it comes down to it, it's a rip off. Especially given the price tag for those cards.

 

indeed, what i dont understand is noone else has mentioned it here, has noone overclocked their 580s in the m17??

 

watching the afterburner charts... and as soon as the 580 hits 100% usage it downclocks.. whats that about!!

ran along happy at 85% then when 100 it dies.. grrrr!!!

update two: the only thing i can do to stop it downclocking at 100% usage is to use 680 mhz on the core.. which is pathetic as 750 is stable.. it just downclocks!! grrrrr!

maybe a vbios flash is in order

 

How is it possible they locked 580m only in m17 and not in m18x? They have already started occing in the M18x benchmark forum. I doubt they have locked specifically in M17x...Anyway there threads in the forums explaining how to install vbios to manipulate core voltage etc.

When you mean locked...you mean Dell manipulated the Vbios of Nvidia Cards or the bios of M17x has been tailored that way.

I am also stumped like you as to why there are so few 580m benchmarks. Perhaps the cost was prohibitive. And it can be assumed those who bought M18x already had the extra cash to spill on Nvidia cards, which may not be the case in M17x.

Well as long as the GPU is not manipulated to function below the its specification, we cant do much in complaining against Dell. They are doing the same thing they did to Dell Studio 1640 which had throttling introduced withing the bios.

This is their short cut method instead of arriving at better cooling methods. Well maybe we expect too much in terms of performance cards being put in laptops of smaller and compact dimensions.

 

the m18 has this throttling thing too. saw this guy who couldnt run more than 724 without getting the slowdown.

he tried the volt mod but that didnt increase the oc at all. because its not unstable, its just being limited

 

well what about having an unlocked Bios? Check this forum out real quick and tell me what ya think: M17x r3 unlocked BIOS for 2920xm overclocking [BIOS works, untested with XM CPU]

Also, check out this review of the m17x R3 with the 580m, they overclocked the GPU and gained over 5fps on average in crysis 2.

 

think its the video bios that we need. not the system bios

 

I think if you use the Clevo 580M VBIOS, you would be able to get over those limits. the Clevo machines with the 580Ms have easily reached 750-760mhz core and the M17x-R3's GPU cooling looks more robust than the P150 or P170hm's GPU cooling (the R3's heatsink have three pipes for the GPU core and the pipes are thicker too).

 

having a nvidia go 7950gtx i recall to use nibitor to extract the vbios.

this way u can change it (i.e. change performance-profiles) and than reload it via nvflash.

since my m17xr3 is on return i cant test it right now but maybe you want to give it a try.

 

but i also dont want to lose 3d

is there a place to get the clevo 580 bios?

 

I started a thread where I posted an overvolted Dell 580m vbios. It's a page or 2 back, try it.

 

yeah i looked at the original thread on the nibitor website and it seems that bios if anything makes it worse..

a guy thinks its actually the main dell bios screwing up the throttling here.. as A02 on the m18x was to add downclocks to the gpu when system overloaded.. bull!!

i would flash the other clevo bios but im worried it wouldnt boot up with a non dell bios. has anyone got any experience of this?

 

Well the M17x R3 could be different. You should try it, worst case is that it throttles and you can go back to the stock.

 

this sucks man

dell gimped our cards, that clevo guy got 835mhz on his volt modded bios!!! i cant even get 700 without the slow down kicking in, grrrr.

regarding flashing the vbios, is there an up to date guide on that?

 

It could have something to do with the power consumption, and the thermal design of the notebooks, although Dell should leave it up to the owner's to decide whether they want to overclock or not. Afteral, for a notebook that expensive, you'd think they'd give the customer the choice.

 

probably.

60mhz overclock is all i can do. thats pathetic!!!!

need to get someone to fix the bioses

although the memory clocks well. whoop di doo

 

Have you tried other drivers? Does the throttling only happen due to heat or is it to do with power consumption or load?

 

does it at different temps and different times. (max temp 75 normally 70)


has never done it in unreal heaven, always does it in 3d mark. and sometimes in dragon age.. so annoying. it was running fine in unreal 2.5 but throttling just kills it in the other apps ive tried

now its thottling at 680.. this is a nightmare.. how useless can you get


ps tried dell drivers and 280.19

 

What is your config? Oh and 280.19 is a hit or miss with reports of instability. Have you tried the 275.xx series?

 

Are you noticing this downclocking playing games or just using benchmarks/oc tools like Furmark. They specifically lower the power of the cards running things like Furmark (which they call power virus) and the like because they draw unrealistic amounts of power. There was quite a bit about this on the desktop side like a year ago. Like look at these web sites :

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580: The Anti-FurMark DX11 Card - 3D Tech News, Pixel Hacking, Data Visualization and 3D Programming - Geeks3D.com

or

Disable GeForce GTX 580 Power Throttling using GPU-Z | techPowerUp

I'm sure they have the same hardware in the 580M which can dynamically adjust performance based on load. It should be noted though it should not be doing this in real games or there is a problem.

 

it does it in games too

 

Are you using the driver with the modded inf?

 

yes. and also tried dell stock

 

Here is what I found on another thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...idia-280-19-verde-beta-out-4.html#post7769584
Does it install without a modded inf?

 

nope .

 

Hmm ok well have you tried 275.50 with a modded inf?

 

neg, ill try tomorrow but i think it will need some bios modding

 

Ok guys, i got the clevo biosm who wants to try and flash it to there card?

here it is: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 570 560 460 ATI Radeon HD 6970 6950 6870 5970 :: MVKTech :: On the Edge of Technology - Re:tweak GTX580M BIOS voltage - MVKTech Support Forums

 

im too worried it wont boot without the dell bios


wheres the hardcore 580 overclockers?!? noone has reported anything

 

i already pointed out earlier in this thread: get the clevo bios, make a backup of your current gpu-bios (via nibitor) and first compare the settings.

maybe it will give you a clue whats different so you dont need to flash the whole bios.

 

nibitor doesnt support the 580 yet it seems.


in other news: why has noone else tried to OC their 580s? come on guys, maybe its my pc which is fooked!

 

in more other news.. the memory has overclocked from 1500 to 1900 mhz with no problems.. its just the core/shaders

 

Any video card will boot on the M17x that is current gen. Dell didn't lock down the cards that will "work" in the machine, however in my case the 485M wasn't "supported" and required software to manually control the fan.

 

bump for LVNeptune

 

Did someone delete their posts or something? I posted that in response to someone else's question

 

I have successfully gotten my clocks to 760/1520/1900 with out hiccups or artifacts and my max temp is 65C and if I prop it up with a book my temps drop to . Also, i am using the modified A08 BIOS, but if i can get this much of a performance gain without the Voltage Mod, i wanna do a bios flash but Im waiting for someone to provide me with a sure shot vBios.

 

Your problems may be solved here:

A08 w/ Unlocked Options & 580M GPU Thermal Throttle Removal

 

Special_K - Download nvflash w bios.zip from Sendspace.com - send big files the easy way

I put nvflash and the 580m bios in a zip.

Backup YOUR BIOS before flashing.

Open cmd prompt as administrator
navigate to your nvflash folder
nvflash --save origbios.rom
then flash the custom vBIOS
nvflash -5 -6 dellgtx580m-def620mhz-01.rom

ignore the error message and click yes and reboot.

Voltage modded.

 

Dud you friggin rock man +rep

just one question my voltage is maxing out at 0.87, isnt it suppose to be 0.92v or did i read something wrong?

 

I have had the old TDP throttle hit me quite a few times when playing Arkham Asylum with my OC at 780mhz.

Anyone else have similar issues? I did repaste with IC Diamond 7 or whatever it's called. Didn't seem to help much in the way of temps more than the stock thermal compound did.

Also, thanks

 

Ok guys I have started to push this card far beyond what i expected to get. Throw some cores up for comparison

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My clocks are 850/1700/1900

 

If anyone can provide me with a vbios of 0.93-0.95v i will gladly test it.

 

850? The graphics card should crash after 10 minutes.

 

I'm doing my stability testing in Crysis 2 DX 11 max everything. Here is my experience so far. I run ram at 1800 because it is highest setting in NVidia performance tools and I didn't get around to push it further. I will probably up it to 1900 as it seems what others are doing and it is stable.

I'm only able to OC my 580M to 740 core without getting glitching. At 750 it will start glitching and the game is likely to crash quick. At 745 it will glitch but less likely to crash.

The gear I just sent back had 580M I could push to 750 no glitching, and I didn't even try to find higher setting on this one. I just went with what James said was stable. Wish I kept that card but dell was very impatient about sending my system back.

LVNeptune, is the vbios you linked the original dell's bios with higher voltage or ? Also what's the temps like and how much did it improve ability to OC at stable settings vs your previous testing?

BTW. When I OC this card, and it is pushed too far, when it glitches or crashes the drivers/game, my temps are not an issue. They peak at around 70C, that's it.

 

Are u sure this benchy is right WHY is it showing an Intel HD graphic card in your Heaven Benchmark you probably have overclocked you intel card not 580M

Modded v0.92 Dell 580m bios
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He's obviously using optimus. Plus looks like he has the overvolted vbios or else he wouldn't be able to achieve clocks like that.