6990 is a hot potato, significantly hotter than my 6970 was.

uhuh.. you can keep your 990 ill keep my 120hz 3d physx with nice drivers beast thank you

also lol at your 'proof' which consists of benchmarks provided by ATi, haha

 

Not big on 3d but 120hz is nice but then you lose igp for those of us needing the occasional battery

Bte those results were also simulated off an underclocked desktop card

 

I'm under the impression that cheesy doesn't want 3d. yeah 120hz is nice, but its not worth the huge price premium. I like my standard 1080p lcd, it's still really nice.

and you can go by these results too: Mobile Graphics Cards - Benchmark List - Notebookcheck.net Tech

the 6990m still wins. In addition to that, nvidia cards seem to enjoy throttling. I'll pass on that thanks.

 

no you cant they got those results by downclocking some desktop card. not using the 6990m.

keep trying though

 

James...you realize that the 6990m and GTX 580m have both been out for Alienware users for a good half month now right (as you clearly know since you have one ? and there are countless benchmarks on this forum and even extreme overclocks of both cards (both even going above desktop counterparts GTX 560 Ti and HD 6870 counterparts).

Please Read This:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/595787-extreme-gtx580m-overclocking.html

Basically OC to extreme on both GPUS--GTX 580m has better 3DVantage scores while 6990m has better 3DMark11 scores.

Also I would take Max settings on a game over 3D with High to Medium settings anyday. I feel mobile GPUs still aren't powerful enough to max out a game and still have 3D unless in SLi or Crossfire (though again maybe you do have SLi)

 

The 6990 crossfire results were done in the same system as the sli 580 and beats it by 500 points in 3dmark11, to bad we cant compare vantage scores.

 

Lol at the nvidia fanboy. Who cares about 3dmark/vantage scores i thought real gaming performance was what mattered..

 

Agreed! real games determine hardware performance not 3dmark crap! hold the 580M < or > 6990M until we have real frame rates in the latest games. Personally, I chose the 6990M because of price/performance ratio, this is what logical buyers will do and are doing, wonder why the 6990m is selling like freaking hot cakes NVfanboys?

 

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT 6990 v 580! GO SOME PLACE ELSE!

We are talking about the 6990 heat characteristics and how undervolting affects it.

Everyone else please start your own thread!

 

A bunch of savages.

 

because its cheap

anyway yeah so back on topic..

 

Have you tried undervolting with ATI Tray Tool? That's what I use.

 

Yes I don't have a problem with that its not like much performance is being given up Considering I was originally looking at a 560m I got well over the performance I was originally looking for and usually within +- 5% of 580m. If I didn't care about money would have got the m18x with dual cards

 

ATT simply does not work for me, as soon as it starts, instant BSOD. Anyway I prefer Bios mods to software mods.

 

naaah m18 too big too heavy and no 3d/120hz

 

You are correct!

I see no point in having 3D right now when I won't even use it. I will wait when 3D is no longer in its infancy stages.

All I care is about gaming performance, and so far I'm getting mix review, 6990m or 580m, which one is better? NO one has shown me any evidence beside notebookcheck.net which uses an underclock desktop GPU, and the other link was straight from AMD, so no one has really shown me which one is actually better. I would think and hope it the 6990m.

 

They are both generally going to have the same performance. They have a tug of war going on with the 6990 being better in some areas and the 580m being better in other areas. I'd recommend the 6990m since you're not a 3d guy. Its cheaper, no throttling issues, and it can be undervolted to run cool while maintaining stock factory performance

Your choice though.

 

Well that stink, I wanted the 6990m to be better than Nvidia in most games. AMD has fail in their false advertising.

 

well...it is as you said --false advertising which both Nvidia and AMD do so is it really a fail?

also 3D is great, but I see it as a bonus. If I have to compromise smooth game play or higher graphics settings than definitely not worth it.

 

Not everybody can handle 3d. 3d gives me a headache, so I find little use with it.

Both nVidia and ATI have false advertising (to an extent), its called marketing. I'll just re-emphasize: the 6990m will likely best the 580m unless a game is specifically geared to take advantage of nvidia's PhysX.

 

edit, weird lost a post

 

Aww your just trying to make me feel better

 

er no not really. check the benchmark threads, if anything the 580 is faster

 

Stock seems to slightly favor the 6990m but the 580m overclocks better... a lot of that has to do with being able to change the voltage though. Even stock vs stock on 3dm11 is slightly higher (less than 1%) with ATI even without ccc tweaks. TBH I still *game* at 100% stock.

 

There are also some annoying thermal throttling issues with the 580M, courtesy of Dell.

I am going to repaste and undervolt my 6990M this weekend and am expecting some major temp reductions (hopefully to mid 60's C under full load). I also still game at stock, at least until I am compelled to overclock my card to get the image quality and frames that I want. Maybe in a year or two.

 

no it doesnt. in the bench thread only in one game is it faster at stock, (well not a game, 3dm11)

 

Lol you'll never be happy. How about this my GTX 680m beats your 580m Yes I will eventually upgrade but it will need to be over 30+% in difference.

 

just said it because a lot of people think the 6990 is 'slightly faster' when its not

 

tbh

the 6990 provides more or less simular if not the same and maybe in certain areas better performance then the 580m

but its better value for money unless u feel that u must have a 3d screen in your laptop and such.

I was about to order an m17x with 3d but then i realised i will prolly get bored of it after a week or so and just end up spending more on something i dont actualy use.

Esp over here in holland alienware is fairly expensive for a laptop wise.

I ordered one with the 2.2 ghz i7 8gb of ram and the 6990 and a 500gb momentus XT hdd with full hd screen at about 2100 odd euros ( about 3000 dollars ) Quite a steep price for a pimp machine, the 580m will add another 230 euros (330 dollars) to the fairly big price tag.

Thats a fair bit of extra money for lil performance gain and 3d ( although then u still have to pay extra for the 3d package lol )

There are a fair amount of ppl that have plenty of money to spare on a laptop like this heh alienware laptops are like the ferrari's n stuff among mobile gaming devices heh their in a fair amount of cases even better as the average pc's gamers desktop

overall i find the performance gain on the 580m not realy worth the extra money.

There are more n more gaming laptops comming on the market for a far lower price as alienware with simular hardware ( although coolin is mostly not the same level and such ) and thinking that what u spend on this u can build a desktop able to do double as what the laptop can just not handy to bring along

I cant wait till i get it tho, their just full of win.

i have to say that sometimes ati drivers can be a pain in the so maybe another reason to go for the 580 instead of the 6990.

 

Depends on what your running but @ stock clocks both are nearly always just a few % off either direction.

 

Man you guys sure are determined to beat this subject to death.

All I have to say is the 580m BETTER be BETTER than the 6990, it costs $300 MORE.

I chose the 6990m because it is clearly the best bang for the buck.

 

here are some of my temps, stock vs icd 24. also note that i repadded the vram too.

these were both after a 30 min run in furmark extreme burn @ 1080p

stock
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icd24 w/ fujipoly .5mm pads
View attachment 69416

 

I think the nvidia fanboy is upset his $600 graphics card is comparable to a card half its cost that doesn't throttle.

 

You mean your benchmark thread? After you deleted like half of the scores (even after showing you that the 3d11 runs were in fact legit), of course it would look like the 580M is faster.

Anyways, I'll find out myself since I have one running in my system now and a couple of the R2 guys are starting to get 6990Ms in their systems as well. We'll also compare temperatures and such too.

 

Not bad at all!!! My 460m (lol) a little OC'd runs at about the same temps maybe a bit higher when playing normal games!

 

haha i can afford it, i like 3d. go figure

er no they were never shown to be legit..

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/7812293-post242.html

In short, compare the FPS numbers with the highest 580M numbers and the highest 6990M numbers under 3dmark11 results. They're pretty much the same with the 6990M pulling slightly higher numbers. If tessellation were turned off on the 6990M runs, tests 2, 3 and 4 would be much higher than the 580M runs.

Or you can choose to ignore it, which you did.