7970M = WEI Score of 7.3...Something's not right!

I did a clean install, all factory drivers, updated Windows, installed DirectX, set power plan to high performance. Can someone please tell me what step I may have missed along the line here? Thanks!

3dMark11 gave me a stock score of 5812, so that's good. I still worry that something is missing for the WEI to be so low.

 

oh he is serious! the drivers are flawed...

 

Is anyone else getting that score? So far it seems most people who bother mentioning or caring about it have a 7.8 or 7.9. So, did I miss something, anyone?

And really, can you try contributing something for once? If you don't have anything useful to say here, then just shut it.

 

WEI is not a benchmark as it can spit out random numbers. Try to benchmark with like 3DMark 11 or something and compared to other scores, that is an actual benchmark.

 

You mad bro?

It's AMD Enduro that's giving you that score, Optimus kinda does the same. Honestly nothing to worry about. Unless you tell WEI to use the 7970M specifically you won't get 7.9... I think you can manually switch.

 

Why everybody hot on windows wei..
Like geo says, endoru makes windows run the wei test on the intel 4000 card.
Whitelist winsat.exe maybe works to get higher scores.
C:\Windows\System32\winsat.exe

Or put like firefox in whitelist, the open firefox and leave it open while running the test.

 

That's a good idea. I in particular am hot on WEI just cause it's a simple, quick, lazy "benchmark" that let's me know that everything is running at least relatively as it should with my system. "7.9 hard drive score? Ok, good enough for now. I'll run some real benches later, when I have the time."

So basically, the low WEI score wasted 20 minutes of my time yesterday since I then felt it necessary to download 3DMark and run it before I could go about with the rest of my day. I think some of the guys here discount WEI a little TOO much. To some, plenty even, it still has its valid uses.

 

It's just a microsoft bunch of numbers.
For me running bf3 smooth in ultra> happy.
Running a sharepoint farm inc sql server and domaincontroller in vmware ws + still be able to play bf3 smooth is super happy.

R3/R4 are smoking good machines!
Dont care what wei says, i have a cheap asus laptop that hits 6.9 wei where my R3 has 7.1... Says enough

Had any luck with the witelist getting higher score?

 

"All my games run great but windows random number generator keeps giving me low numbers!"

 

Nah, I haven't worried about it too much after running 3dMark...Oh, and Skyrim on ultra with tons of graphics mods.

I still think it's silly how dismissive of WEI people are. Believe it or not, a 7.3 with a 7970m DOES indicate a problem that needs addressing. In this case it's that we need updated drivers.

A 7.6 after you've installed a top of the line SSD could mean you need to update its firmware.

A low RAM score could mean you're not running in dual channel mode or have a bad stick that you may have not otherwise noticed.

I know what I'm doing pretty well, yet I can still say I've gotten some helpful info from WEI over the years. I think it's just a popular and sort of elitist attitude from power user types.

 

Both Optimus and Enduro score badly on Graphics section of WEI because this test seems to turn the GPU on and off at least twice, and waking up the GPU from D3 introduces some latency that gets calculated into the average framerate and..... there you go.

Newer NVIDIA drivers can be set up to produce a good rating, just set evertyhing to run on the NVIDIA GPU and reboot; in that case the good ole Sidebar keeps my GPU wide awake without interruptions.

 

WEI=worthless

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Valuable comment there, DR. I actually already listed a handful of valid uses I have had for it over the last couple of years

Get your R4 yet? I would think you'd have gotten it yesterday!

 

darn it! my score is 7.2 for both graphics and gaming. should i be worried that it's lower by 0.1?

 

Maybe you can disable IGFX in the BIOS (if there is a way to do that on the M17x R4 without an unlocked BIOS) and run WEI exclusively on the GPU to see how the 7970M fares. If WEI is using it, it should be 7.9 unless the drivers are holding it back enough that it cannot perform well.

While I don't put a huge amount of stock in it, I agree Tapakidney, it does offer some value as as down and dirty snapshot that "all is well" or "something is wrong" and beyond that it has very limited value.

 

id rather have great benchmark stats and low WEI than a high WEI and low benchmarks.

/thread

 

I agree with tapakidney. I checked my WEI the other day, and it said the scores was outdated and needed to be refreshed, so I did, and got a lower score on memory than I should have. I screwed up my laptop and found out that one of the memory-slots was messed up, so I switched the 4GB RAM chip in the broken slot with a 2GB RAM chip in the not-broken slot. WEI does have it's uses.

 

How many fps do you get in Battlefield 3?

 

I'm not sure the Windows Experience Index is as useless as some of you think. I agree it's not a real benchmark, but it's still a quick estimate of hour your computer is running... and if it draws on the Intel 4000 integrated GPU you may, inadvertently, have programs which do the same. This is a problem.

 

IIRC, I also got 7.3 with Enduro. It'll definitely get 7.9 by itself.

 

try Fn+F7 reboot and re run it.

 

Yep, got curious and tried it last night. Got my nice 7.9. I actually turned iGPU back on though, cause so far it's worked fine for me.

Question though. Enduro is all 7970m, right? It determines the amount of power your 7970m is putting out based on need? Or does Enduro just determine when to use iGPU?

 

Enduro determines when the 7970m needs to be used. Etc.

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Just got my r4 today. did a fresh install. I got 7.3 too on wei. gonna download 3dmark and run a benchmark.

I agree about wei being a good quick benchmark since it's readily available. Sure, better benchmarks are available, but its just a hassle sometimes to look for them online, install, learn the software, uninstall etc. If it wasnt for wei showing 7.3 on my graphics I wouldnt have bothered downloading 3dmark. I agree wei isnt a good tool for performance benchmark, but it serves well as a quick check up

 

WEI is not a benchmark, a benchmark is a test or operation that is run to assess the performance of a machine, that spits out a quantifiable score, and the result can be duplicated. If you run WEI 5 times consecutively, it can spit out 5 different results. Hence it's an experience index not a benchmark. Again use 3DMark 11 or another program and compare with similar spec'd machines.

 

FN+F7 and reboot = 7.9.
People read the damn forum for a change
Also wei has no worth at all..

 

My bad, experience index it is. Oh btw I ran benchmarks more than 5 times and got 5 different results as well (crystal mark and 3dmark).

edit: 3dmark results

edit 2: yay FN+F7 finally worked after 3 tries lol! first try my screen went low res (after restart), 2nd try wei stayed at 7.3, 3rd time 7.9

 

Graphic Card Dell Generic VGA ?? lol I've heard that the 7970 runs on custom drivers from Dell, but this was interesting to see haha

yup I was just gonna mention the fn+F7 option. 7.3 is wayy too low for the 7970m.
As for worth, you're right it is kind useless anyway. and you can change your scores by editing a .xml file too anyway if you want to, give your mechanical drive a 7.9

 

Not to be a jerk, but you do realize back to back to back 3dmark tests can result in pretty significantly different scores, right?

For people to keep coming back just to say, yet again, that WEI is useless, even after multiple people have stated specific instances where it has been useful, just seems very irrational to me. If something is useful to someone, BOOM, said thing is not useless. Fact.

 

3DMark isn't going to have the fluctuations that WEI can give you. Sure you might score maybe 100 points lower, but WEI has a bigger margin of fluctuation to where it is irrational and doesn't make sense. I've seen WEI drop a score by a whole 1.0 point, which out of 7.9 is HUGE, 13% difference. 100 point difference in 3DMark06 out of lets say 12k is nowhere near that kind of percentage.

Again WEI = experience index, not a benchmark.

Fact of the matter is WEI can't be useful because it can't be trusted. Oh and as it's been stated above, you can just go into the XML file and change your scores if you want.

 

In my experience, WEI doesn't fluctuate nearly as much as you think. If I run it again and again on my current laptop, I get the same score. By contrast, my 3D Mark06 scores vary with each run.

 

ditto. I have run it so many times and sometimes it does change, but only by .1. The only time it had a huge change was due to driver/hardware update.

It's one heck of a monster generic vga

I edited my WEI for April fools, posted it on facebook, and whined that a $1000 Core Extreme cant even get 7.9. They're shocked that I "bought" such expensive cpu

WEI is useless in some ways if you're using it to compare high end hardware ie a 64gb ssd crucial c300 can score the same as a 256gb samsung 830. or a 7.9 6870 to a 7970 with also a 7.9 Also wei is not very good indicative of gaming performance either. I agree with that.

WEI is more like a quick diagnostic tool. The fact that you mentioned '7.3 is wayy too low for the 7970m' means you're using it as a reference that something may be wrong. Let's be honest here. I mean right after you do a fresh install do you ever download all 3dmark, crystal mark (for hard drive), memtest (ram), prime95 (cpu) to test everything?

 

Wow, you are really determined. I bet you $100 that when that WEI score dropped a whole point, it was either due to a special variable (background programs, defrag, virus scan...) or because something was wrong and needed addressing.

I've never once had a WEI score fluctuate, and I've used it on about 15 different computers.

 

My RAM dropped once to 7.8 for no explainable reason, but it's 7.9 now. I'd agree it's fairly accurate overall.

 

IMO it stands as quick check you can run to see where your system stands. Compared to benchmarks like 3dmark etc, I don't like it because it has a score limit, i.e. 7.9 in Win7. And just like thehuntress said, it's pointless to compare high-end hardware because they're probably going to get almost similar if not same scores. And SSDs hit 7.9, so how do you even compare SSDs?
Not to hate on WEI lol, I definitely run it sometimes, but its not completely reliable, I testify for that. The first couples of times I ran WEI, it gave my Elitebook 8460p with Intel's HD3000 a Graphics Score (Aero, etc.) of 4.6 and Gaming Graphics Score of 4.6 as well. I could care less, but when I ran it again a couple of days later the scores changed drastically. I got 6.4 for both Graphics & Gaming Graphics. I made NO change to my hardware or software set up. If you ask me that's a huge jump lol, but I noticed no difference while playing games on my notebook. This one experience, which I can't really explain because I made no changes to my config, baffles me and is the reason why I don't find it reliable.
That's the only reason I don't trust it, but that's just me. Hey, everyone can have their opinion on the subject and I guess this is mine. If you find WEI useful, I'm sure you have your reasons and I respect that, and I'd also love to know how/why. Maybe I can learn a little more so WEI is no longer an enigma

I'm not really a benchmarker and just do those tests once in a blue moon to see where my systems rack up. And about the 7970m, I made that reference because the GTX 660m seems to give the same WEI score of 7.3 (source here) and since the 7970m is much more powerful, shouldn't it be getting a higher score? I don't know, it just sounds strange to me that's all.

As for the WEI joke, HAHAHA I would have loved to do that but most of my friends aren't techy at all and would go comment on/like memes instead

 

The reason for your score is the WEI likely ran off the Intel HD 3000 (giving you the 4.6) and then subsequently off your dedicated GPU (giving you the 6.4). This is not a WEI reliability problem per se - it's likely a driver issue (telling it to run the wrong hardware for the test).

 

It's possible that your driver was updated if you had automatic updates on, hence a higher score. Or when you ran it for the first time maybe something was running in the background or drivers just installed and you havent restarted. I run my WEI after all drivers and apps are installed and rebooted.

I use WEI often just as a check-up since I change hardware and do fresh installs often on new storage drives. Either if I dont get the same score (hardware are the same) or score seems too low (new hardware), then its a red flag. If the scores seem ok right away and I don't feel anything wrong with the performance, then I don't bother running the real benchmarks.

 

I also got 7.3 after a clean install but when I tried Fn+F7 I got a msg that AMD driver were missing but when I switch back I can see the AMD driver installed

Am I missing something or should I reinstall my drivers?

 

I see what you mean. I specifically turn off all kinds of updates and do them myself once in a while but its possible that this happened, but still a 1.8 jump? Pretty cool I say, but no change in performance is what irks me.

I agree WEI is useful for making those quick checks, I just wish it made more sense how it worked and as I mentioned earlier - if it could be used for comparing hardware reliably really.

That would make perfect sense if my laptop actually had a discrete graphics option, which it does not. Only the HD 3000.

 

May I inquire as to WHY it matters if you're getting an accurate score in 3DMark11?

WEI rates my 460M in my Qosmio as a 7.2 when, two years ago, I owned a GTX 470 and it scored a 7.4 in the WEI...despite being literally twice as fast... if not faster... >_>

WEI is crap. There's no reason to flip out over it.

 

WEI isn't a benchmark, it's an index. Your 460M might be 20x as fast as the average integrated GPU.

It's all relative.