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    And another.. 7970m in M17x R2..Installation with photos

    Discussion in 'Alienware 17 and M17x' started by flingin, Jul 16, 2012.

  1. brooks93

    brooks93 Notebook Consultant

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    Sounds like my 7970 card has fans like brooks has. I will check my hdmi output when I put the card back in. Be nice to get a vbios with hdmi and good fan control.
     
  3. refusedchaos

    refusedchaos Notebook Consultant

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    You know...ive noticed that ever since I flashed to the RJ vbios I've been getting horrible frame rates :/

    I scored a 344 pts (5FPS, 60000 ms) on a FurMark 1080 benchmark


    Anyone know what can be the problem?
     
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    Have you made sure you're on high performance mode in both windows and CCC and not running on battery power. If not then you may want to flash you're vbios to the ones about to be posted. I'll edit this post when I'm on my computer so you can dump your Vbios files for us. Oh and does the audio actually work if you have it coming out the tv? Nice headphones btw ;)

    edit: dumping Vbios is actually a really simple process.

    1) download GPU-Z

    2)launch GPU-Z and see where it says BIOS version click the little chip icon to the right

    3) then save to file and upload this file for us to download
     
  5. brooks93

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    yes audio worked. I played arms 2 on it for a little bit. had my R2 turned all the way down and the TV turned up

    ya I am not sure how to dump my vbios. I will google it later when I get back home or look for your edit
     
  6. refusedchaos

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    Yea, everything is on Max in both Windows and CCC.

    Which one is now the best one? I flashed the RJT vbios that was posted here cause it got rid of the white bleached screen.
     
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    I've uploaded my Vbios for you refusedchaos, they are the default ones that came with my 7970M from Eurocom. Fan control and everything works as well as VGA output but HDMI doesn't work.


    download link

    however i will be flashing mine to the ones brooks posts to see if i can get my HDMI working but then i'll probably switch back due to the fan issues
     
  8. refusedchaos

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    Alright so now I got 1484 in Furmark so thats a good improvement. I wonder why I was getting such crappy fps using the RJTech vbios :/

    Anyone try overclocking their card with after burner?
     
  9. Theredninja

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    Me, I can get my memory upto 1500 and my clock at 960 whilst benching with the 3dmark modified 7900 drivers.

    Can run it even higher when not benching but a little tip I just realised that slight OC's tend to outperform heavy OC's in 3d mark 06

    the modified 7900 drivers




    read through this to OC


    get some benches up, took me alot of messing about to get my scores and they're not even that good :p
     
  10. brooks93

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    here is my bios via gpu-z
     
  11. brlowe

    brlowe Notebook Geek

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    It would be great is someone with good bios skills could take the one with working fans and the other bios with working HDMI and make one with both things working.
     
  12. DR650SE

    DR650SE The Whiskey Barracuda

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    What kind of Vantage and 3DMark11 scores does an R2 get with a single 7970M? I'm thinking of going single 7970M.


    Sent from my Samsung Captivate/ICS using Tapatalk 2
     
  13. brooks93

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    I don't have my 920xm right now so I would only be able to test it with my 740.
     
  14. CptXabaras

    CptXabaras Overclocked, Overvolted, Liquid Cooled

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    From what i've seen it scores around 20k - 21k. Still not enough for me to swap cards. My 6970's as they are setted up scores 23 -24k on GPU score vs 20 - 22k of the 7970m GPU score (7970m score 22k @900/1200 if i'm not mistaken)

    In the future probably i will upgrade for 2 of them but not now, i don't feel like they are mature hardware, still not 100% proper driver support and still they are expansive.
     
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    I came from 5870 CF and got tired of the screen flickers and other problems. Been through 3 sets of cards now. If I had 6970 CF I wouldn't do it either.
     
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    Dr check my sig for my benches
     
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    CptXabaras Overclocked, Overvolted, Liquid Cooled

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    How many Mhz on the GPU? nice memory clock ;)

    looks like your cpu score has improved too ;)
     
  18. Theredninja

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    for benching i find 960/1500 works although on certain benchmarking tools like 3d mark 06 a lower overclock sometimes does better. took me alot of messing about to get that cpu score and i could only achieve it once but its definately an improvement over how it was before, i still can't beat 20k CPU score on vantage, you think its because its a QS?


    it has alot of power for a single card :D

    and as for driver support the benchmark3d drivers unlock so much potential for overclocking and have no current problems ;)
     
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    ninja did you try my bios?
     
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    yes, just posting the results now.

    The checksum, BIOS version and everything was the same but i still forced the flash to see if it made a difference. HDMI still didn't work for me, i tried to bench and my fans worked correctly, they went upto high profile and max temp reached was 84 however they couldn't overclock well at all even though they are supposadly the same.

    i've reflashed back to my original Vbios and it overclocks well again.

    You've been lucky with the HDMI working however your flaw is now the fan speed. I recommend you flash to my Vbios perhaps it'll fix the fan speed and help your overclock better but in turn you may lose HDMI.
    the choice is up to you, good luck
     
  21. brooks93

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    interesting
     
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    are those benches in your sig from the 5870M CF or the single 7970M?
     
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    5870 CF with 920xm. my 920xm has issues so I had to put my my 740 back in which is my bottle neck right now. I hope to have another 920 or 940 soon
     
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    what type of issues are you getting with your 920xm?
     
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    it only see's half my systems memory in windows and the bios. put in the 740 and it see's it all. I have had dell put in 4 motherboards because of it and each time the 740 fixed the problem
     
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    Hmm that's weird for me in the bios it says i don't have any ram but windows fully utilises my 16gb
     
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    correct. when I have my 16 in mine shows 0 also but I also have 2 sets of 8gb and they both only show 4 when they are in. I thought it was motherboard and so did alienware which is why its been replaced 4 times now. Last time I put my 740 in and it fixed it. Then I put the 920 back in again and it was only showing half. Mix and repeat on 3 of the 4 boards with the same results
     
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    Is windows or bios showing one 4gb stick or two 2gb sticks?
     
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    i believe both of his sticks are showing 4gb
     
  30. brooks93

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    with the 920 is shows 4 of the 8. with the 740 it shows 8 of the 8.

    I have a 16gb set 8x8
    I have 2 sets of 8gb 4x4
     
  31. JJR

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    With his 8gb set (two 4gb), he says only 4gb is shown...but is his windows or the bios showing just 4gb from one stick or in total... The fact that they work with the 740 means that the mb hardware is fine...

    But if the MB detects two chips but the processor can only access one chip or only a total of 4gb (2gb from both chips), then either the processor is damage or it's a 32-bit processor... (if it's an engineering sample then who knows ...maybe intel tested some 32bit versions of the i7 that was never released.... :p )
     
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    read his post more carefully my friend, he says both of his sticks are showing 4gb which is 8gb and that is also half of 16gb ;)

    edit: brooks try 1 8gb and 1 4gb and see if that works
     
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    it worked fine for a couple of months till my first set of video cards popped.

    with 2 4gb sticks in bios and windows only see's 1 4gb stick
    with 2 8gb sticks in bios shows 0 (expected) windows only shows 8gb

    I have tried everything and it is always resolved with putting my 740 back into the system. So I know that something happened to my 920xm
     
  34. JJR

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    Basically your system is seeing a total of one ram chip in this setup....

    I believe the memory controller is built into these processors which is why you see a difference when swapping between two CPUs.

    There are two reasons that I can think of:
    1: the processor's memory controller is defective.
    2: the second memory clock can't sync to the first so it gets disabled.
    (although I would expect post errors / warnings instead)

    The first issue is with the processor which likely can't be resolved.

    The second might be compatibility issues between the CPU and memory....or again a bad CPU memory controller.

    The fact that you have tried different memory sets kind of points me to conclude a bad CPU memory controller..
     
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    well there are a few things you should try before taking any drastic action, not sure if you've done this already but run a memory test and see if both sticks actually get detected and are working fine.

    the second thing although unlikely can make a difference, if you strip your laptop down to the CPU and if there's still thermal paste between the things stuck onto the board then try your best to get all of that off, then repaste.

    although highly unlikely it will work, it helped my system a long time back.
     
  36. JJR

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    He already stated that only one stick gets detected in the bios with the new CPU.. Since the memory controller resides in the CPU, the CPU is what detects the memory and every part of the system goes through the memory controller...

    Also, since he swaps CPUs and everything works...that solder paste issue wouldn't be an issue unless he's cleaning all of the paste around the motherboard and constantly messes up the application for the 920 chip..

    Brooks93, is this a ES / QS 920 CPU? You may want to see if you can get a refund/replacement.. If you got it from a good reseller on eBay, they may allow a swap for another one.

    PS: what version of bios are you using? A10?

    Edit: i see that you said it 'was' working until your video cards 'popped'? I'm assuming it was 920 CPU that was working? If this is the case then you may be out of luck for a replacement.
     
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    its a QS and yes I am running A10. Been in contact with the seller and I have another one on the way.

    lets get this topic back on track. What would cause my bios to work with HDMI on my card but not ninja's?
     
  38. JJR

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    I think he said that the one you gave him had the same checksum as the one he is currently using, which would mean that they could be the same Vbios...

    This could be just software/driver related ...didn't he say it works until windows loads?

    unless the physical hardware are different revisions of the 7970m board?
     
  39. brooks93

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    I am using the amd 12.8 drivers. if it works till windows loads wouldn't that be a driver or windows setting?
     
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    There ARE physical differences in the 7970s depending if you got it from Dell or Eurocom/Clevo. For example, for my card only the RJ Bios works. Eurocom and Dell Bioses give me blank screens.
     
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    oh i know rsgeigner, its just that we both bought our cards from Eurocom with my fans working perfectly but no HDMI and vice versa for brooks. With the checksum being the same and all of the other details i am led to believe the Vbios are exactly the same but i suspect that perhaps our cards are different as you have said. Perhaps mine is Clevo(as they tend to work properly) and his is like sager or something
     
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    I think mine is a dell card. PN 0747M2. Didn't think of that.
     
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    well that seems to explain a lot as they tend to have fan problems and such. So it seems Clevo cards flashed with Eurocom Vbios have the least problems in the R2

    edit: rsgeigner isn't your card a dell card aswell? why not try the Eurocom bios that i have posted and see if they work on your card. They seemed to improve the gaming performance of refusedchaos who was previously running RJTech
     
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    I think it would almost be better to have the dell card to have full functionality and use HWinfo to control the fans vs. having working fans and none of the external monitors
     
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    Hi all!

    I'm new here and sorry my bad english.I want to upgrade my laptop one HD7970 vga.(now 5870x2,940XM, M17xR2)
    I found on ebay OEM Dell 7970, with the good?,or Eurocom better performance maybe?
     
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    VGA works and i think display port does aswell, its just HDMI that doesn't besides RGB is amazing on its own ;)

    Dell cards have problems with fan control but HDMI works and have to be flashed to Eurocom/RJTech bios otherwise the R2 will not post. The Eurocom are plug and play with automatic fan control but no HDMI. its your choice on which one you want
     
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    Thats not 100% true. Mine is a Eurocom card (dell version) HDMI works but fans are stuck on low(25%)
     
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    I think mine is DELL version as well according to GPU-Z an HWINFO
    Video Card: ATI/AMD Radeon HD 7970M (WIMBLEDON XT) [DELL]
    Video BIOS Version: 015.017.000.001.042717

    It could be a driver issue as I mentioned when I had HDMI connected I had display up to the first Windows logo then no display detected when Windows drivers loaded, also if Video drivers are removed HDMI works but only in clone mode. When installing drivers HDMI is not detected HDMI components are not listed for installation like they were with the 5870s.
     
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    The compatibility problem why does? Only driver or vbios or bios bug?
    Physical differences is a 2 vga maybe?Some ideas?
     
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