Corsair Vengeance 8 GB (2x4GB) 1866MHz CL 10

Anyone else thinking about trying these out for their m17x? Im thinking about returning my hyperx 1600 and picking up one of these kits.

I've never bought anything corsair. How do you guys think this will compare with a 1866 kit from kingston?

 

The timings are better but no one knows until they've actually tried. BTW Are you using XMP 1600Mhz (blue) ones or PnP 1600Mhz (grey) ones?

 

is there any difference between blue and grey?

 

Yeah blues require XMP. When you plug them in, to get them running full speed, you need to go into the bios and set the XMP to Profile 2 to get them running full speed. I've recently found out, for me at least that the CL7 versions refuse to run at 1600Mhz when utilizing 4 slots even when setting the XMP. Greys are plug and play.

 

I'm just wondering is it possible to go with CL7 if i have grey modules (4GBx2)

 

CL7's are rare and and only come with the 1600Mhz blues. They also only come in 2GB sticks. Which is annoying as the only way to get full speed is to sacrifice and go down to 4GB total.

You can try overclocking your latency to CL8 at least. I'll try and find that thread.

 

Grey ones. They're PnP. I found that I dont really need 16GB for what I work with (I thought I did... :O). So that is one reason im thinking about trying them. Dyu think it'll be worth the hassle to return my 16GB 1600 Hyper X for 8GB 1866 Corsair? Btw I purchased with amazon so return wont be that big a deal.

I guess im gonna go ahead and order a pair. I'll be the guinea pig and write report on them when they show up

 

there is a time window before you return for refund, don't miss it! also come up with something, they won't issue a full refund without a problem, claim blue screen and complain it almost caused your system damage, that's how I returned my 1866mhz for full refund

we are waiting up your report on this

 

I said it didnt work properly in my systems in a comment box. I think thats good enough for amazon. Idk Why they would argue against it. Plus the time window is extended for returns for the holidays. I think if you ordered something after novemeber you have until the end of january to return it ^_^

 

oh nice amazon has the best return policy ever, I think to the point that they are losing money on this amazon is swarming with people returning everything...

 

Why do you even want to upgrade your memory?

 

Well my situation is that I had 16GB ram but then realized i dont need it afterall and can settle with 8gb. The plus is that it is faster and is cheaper than 16gb of 1600.

 

beter buy 8gb 1600 Corsair. Its timings are better than hyperx 1600 too.
50$ on Newegg... at least they were before they were all sold

 

I've lost count of how many times I've said this here, and no-one listens, ever.

Buy. The. Cheapest. RAM. You. Can.

Faster RAM doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to anything, except memory bandwidth benchmarks, which have feck-all to do with anything you might do in the real world.

Here you go, cheapest kit Newegg has on offer, and you even get a free movie, sorted:

Newegg.com - PNY 8GB (2 x 4GB) 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Laptop Memory Model MN8192KD3-1333

$35 vs. $100 for the Corsair kit, and I guarantee you, it'll perform within 1% of whatever "performance" bollocks some idiots throws in their laptop. If you really insist on spending the $100, shred the other $55 and feed it to your pet; it would be more well spent there.

Edit:
Never mind. I've just realised you're the same guy who went and bought the 16GB when I told you it would be waste. Good luck this time round though!

 

Don't get to worked up about how other people spend their own money. Not worth it homie. Afterall they earned it, they have free will to do as they please with it.

I bought 8GB RAM for my M17x R1 when it cost $450. Still serves me well, newegg refunded me $25 after the price dropped. Did I lose money? of course, thats the way the game is played. Same kit is now $39. But I had it when I needed it.

Copy and pasted out of my newegg order history

 

I love when this happens... Did I say he didn't? All I'm saying is that it's a complete waste. Unless he's benching on HWBot or something, it will literally gain him nothing, so he might as well save some of his "earned" money, and do something remotely useful with it.

 

Serephucus, what you say is 100% correct...but you are preaching on an Alienware forum to a bunch of laptop enthusiasts that love hardware and gadgets

 

But I love hardware and gadgets too! My desktop (below), a home server, an Eee Pad Transformer, a HTC Desire, and that's just the hardware I use, not to mention the two PSUs, three monitors, graphics card, three sets of headphones, two radiators, six external hard drives, and four motherboards I have lying around this room as well.

All I'm saying is: I'd rather spend lots of money well on things I'd use than dump it into useless stuff that will never be used.

 

Well, I know 1... He bought laptop withOUT SSD, with 2740QM (not sure if model is correct) and... 16GB OF 1333 RAM!!! He said that SSD will not give him any benefit in photshop and videoediting. I told him that he can use more than 1 drive in the laptop but.... Also I told him that IF he is so... to use 16GB of RAM which he ordered WITH laptop ON OFFICIAL SITE (imagine its cost) then he is better to buy aftermarket 1600Mhz RAM for the same price.

At the end he with help of many other people who was in euphoria of advising their ideas "Buy more! MORE cr@p! (last word was added by me )" bought what he wanted. No SSD. No good RAM. But bought 16GB of almost not very helpful but VERY expensive RAM. Nice.

 

This isn't even an issue of money. I mean this is a forum filled with people who payed $2000+ for their laptop when they could have bought one for 400-600 bucks. Money is not the issue here. I only mentioned money when i said id gain 50 bucks back (which I'd probably spend on a ''useless'' gadget for my laptop anyway) if the 1866 works in the m17x r3. You were right, the 16GB was a waste. I could do with 8GB for what I use my laptop for.

Edit: Idk why you're getting so worked up. I asked for advice not a lecture on how to spend my money.

 

This picture comes to mind

Spoiler

 

Hahahaa ^^^

Anyways. The ram is already on its way. Should be here Thursday. I'll put them in on friday and report on whether or not they work in the m17x r3 (Pass memory tests/no bsods/overlocking/etc.)

 

Someone lost one-too-many brain cells spending too much time on 4Chan.

I wasn't actually getting worked up. If I came across at little short it wasn't because you were spending money on pointless RAM, it was more the fact whether you were wondering if pointless RAM X would be better than pointless RAM Y. You're free to do whatever the hell you want - as everyone here needlessly pointed out when they hurried onto the band-wagon - I'm just saying that the Vengeance kit won't offer anything over something else the same price... or less, so why bother?

Fine, you have lots of money, you earned it, you can spend it how you like, etc. but I figure even someone with a lot of money wants to buy the highest performance they can, rather than throwing money at useless things, right? What would you say if I bought an internet browsing machine with 64GB of RAM, and an i7 2600K? Same idea.

 

i would say:

PICS! PICS! USELESS WITHOUT PICS!

 

I don't think anyone buys Alienware out of necessity. As you can see, I have a pretty kitted out machine but I have no need for an expensive all-in-one machine. I could have built a desktop and got a netbook but I'm human and I'm greedy. Half of the stuff in this machine is really to further my knowledge and to help others, namely the 2920XM, I got that CPU just to see and prove that XM CPU's work and can be manipulated in the R3 despite what Dell says.

On a note that is more relevant to this thread, I recently acquired my first pair of 1866Mhz CL9 rams and I hate to say that XMP Profile 2 doesn't work. I haven't tried Profile 1 yet but so far, no good. Maybe I got a bad set, got another pair on it's way. If not, I'm selling all my spare ram chips and trying some of those Corsairs As their jedec has 1866Mhz built it, perhaps we can look into lowering the timings to achieve Cas 9.

 

Cool. So you're saying the ram I bought is made by manufactures that put higher speeds (that serve 0 purpose) on their products and jack up the prices so that people like me who seek to max out the performance of their PC will buy it. Even though the speed of the ram is higher I'll gain no performance when compared to a lower speed ram. Did I get all that right?

We should all demand refunds on our ''high speed'' ram immediately.

 

High speed ram definitely helps with the IGP. If your system utilizes the IGP a lot, the the higher ram speed helps as the memory bandwidth is shared with the RAM. Watching a film or playing a light 3D game like the older "Age of"'s or Counter Strike on the IGP will have very useful gains.

 

You get that sexy ram because it looks cool and you want to treat yourself to something. Sorta like those 19" rims that you want. Will they make your car faster? no...however, they look great.

There is virtually no performance difference between 1333/1600/1866 unless you run benches. In games, there will be 0-1% increase....*maybe

the bottom line:

The profile of someone who buys an alienware laptop, matches the profile of someone who buys 1866 ram. I might get the corsairs for Christmas too! lol

 

QFT.
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Very true. I just matte wrapped my M17x R3 in green vinyl. Pics tomorrow

 

I don't think any alienware owner can argue these points, I would have kept my 1866 only if I could without BSOD.. I am waiting your report on this 1866s man, if they are working, I am for sure returning these 1600s

 

Yes! That's exactly what happens. Seriously, have a look at some RAM benchmarks. On a dual-channel system, the average memory bandwidth is around 5GB/s or 40Gb/s. This is just crazy. Nothing nothing in a system can hope to approach this level of speed, so why bother making the one thing in your system that's bottlenecked by everything else 5% faster by spending three times the money?

I'm not trying to come across as aggressive here, I really am just trying to point out how crazy-fast RAM is already.

 

5% Faster, is still 5% faster. And thats reason enough for me to get it

 

Well I went from some poo 4GB 1333 Hynix (which I sold) to some ultra nice HyperX PnP 8GB 1600Mhz running at CL8 with some real nice heatshields and I couldn't have made a better purchase tbh

So I ended up paying about £40 (this is peanuts) for twice the amount of RAM running at faster speeds which will make a difference to some of my vid work I guess

 

come on guys... it is not like he is spending 200 dollars on ram (or even for that I don't care this much), it is 100 dollars and 1600mhz hyperx is already 70 bucks, on top of that %5 gain, that's all he needs to justify this purchase, after all our gtx 580m's and 6990m's are already 3 times the price of 560m and 6870m, and the performance gain is what %30? not very different I guess...

 

The performance gain is definitely not 30% when it comes to the GPUs. The 580m definitely performs almost twice as fast as the 560m.

 

that's your GPU widezu your CPU also performs about twice as fast as a 2670qm I wrote %30 because 560m is very overclockable (I owned a 460m, you can easily increase the power by %20 using the most basic overclocking tool, evga precision, no bios tweak at all )

 

Hm. Intel I 7 does. This is why it has 1600Mhz controller inside which also can handle 1866.

Now listen to me and I will tell you what you don't understand
Every ram has its own timings, correct? they mean cycles, not nanoseconds.
So if you buy CL9 1600 RAM which works in your laptop you get about 5.6 nanoseconds latency. In everything. If you have CL9 1333 RAM then at first you have 6.75 nanoseconds latency. Also you can't get better bandwidth which is useful. Why? Some data is always in your Ram , not on SSD or HDD. This is why you still see a difference.

Example. Our eyes can handle only 24 frames per second. But you shurely see a difference if you watch 60 fps movie or play 40 fps game, right?

 

fair point, however just remember that it's not still 5%. The point that others are trying to get across is bottleneck.

being bottlenecked means that even though the ram itself is 5% faster, you won't reap the full benefits because something else in the system is holding the performance back.

the only flaw is that you are assuming that the 580m would be at stock.
sure, overclocking the 560m would get it closer to a 580m, definately get more bang for your buck, but it will not compare to a 580m period.


at the same time i'd love to see this ram running in an m17x, @Serephucus you have to remember that most of us here are exited at newer and faster hardware and sometimes, money doesn't even factor into our ideas. looking at it from a logical viewpoint and you might see no sense, but look at it from the viewpoint of being a hobby, as a hardware/software enthusiast. ram in general is cheap and has never been cheaper. the new stuff is still expensive but at the same time exciting.

in short, i say go for it... and screenshot some benchies. i'm sure your fellow NBR members (myself) would love to see some results. maybe even follow in your footsteps if the results are positive.

 

Exactly.

Hey, I get excited about newer hardware too. I just think if there's one thing systems (at the moment, at least) don't need, it's faster memory.

Given that I'm thinking of an M17x R4 / M18x R2 around the Summer time, and will probably pay a premium for the 680M / 7990M at that point, I'm not the only one. I'm happy to pay twice the price for 50% more performance, or something that's not great value. I just wouldn't pay three times the price for 0.1% performance boost, or less, in memory bandwidth benchmarks that an M17x may or may not even run. (and yes, those are the types of numbers we're talking about - $35 RAM vs. $100 RAM).[/quote]

 

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wait, where did you find 35bucks of 2x4GB hyperx 1600???

 

I never said it was 1600MHz HyperX RAM, it was the cheapest 8GB kit Newegg had for sale.

 

Cheapest always means worsest.
My grandmother likes to say: "our family is not so rich to buy smth so cheap".

 

Yea, I always heard it as "I'm too poor to buy cheap" sounds like the same thing, but I agree.

 

exactly, cheap stuff just cost you money, you end up buying the expensive stuff at the end, so just save enough money to buy something which will last...

 

Alright guys, Memory is installed and working so far. No issues with booting.

CPUz is registering them at 933 MHz (1866) and CL10 (Pic below)

Ran windows 7 memory diagnostics test = 0 errors.

Ran AIDA64 Extreme Benchmark (Cache & Memory Benchmark = 0 errors

Something I noticed in the AIDA benchmark is that the HyperX 1600 CL9 actually had a higher latency (in nanoseconds) than the Corsair 1866 CL10. I posted all the pics below that can help distinguish between the two rams. If there is any other test I can run let me know. But so far they are working 100% with no BSOD or any issues. I'll run a few games later tonight and see how that works out but I doubt I'll see any crashes. I'll keep you guys posted.

This is CPU-Z/AIDA64 Benchmark of 16GB Hyperx 1600MHz CL9 with no overclock to the CPU.


This is CPU-Z/AIDA64 Benchmark of 8GB Corsair Vengeance CL10 with no overclock.


This is AIDA64 Benchmark of 16GB Hyperx 1600MHz CL9 with a 4% overclock to the CPU (i7 2820)


I haven't tried the Corsair with an overclock to the CPU yet as I wanted to try them with their stock speeds first before I did anything to push their limits. Ill post a pic of a benchmark with a 4-5% overclock to the CPU and see how it affects the benchmarks.

Thats it for now. Thanks for your time guys!

Edit: Here is the Corsair with a 4% overclock to CPU.


Speed comes out to 1943.4 MHz ^_^

EDIT: Windows rating score is 7.9 also if anyone cares about that.

 

Nice! So they work. Thanks for being the Guinea pig...i'm gonna get some over boxing week! rep+ for all the effort

 

If you do your research, you can get the same memory chips on an expensive name brand for a much cheaper price from a company that doesn't overcharge for marketing. I'm not saying that the expensive memory doesn't have advantages in certain situations (ie. overclocking) but if you plan on gaming with a discrete GPU, "value" memory will not perform any worse than more expensive ones.

 

Actually they don't work. At least 1600Mhz model. Why? Because it shows same latency as HyperX 9-9-9-27 BUT also shows 2t command rate. I don't know why but it is not what i expeced. I expected to see 9-9-9-24 as advertised. And command rate 1T for sure..

 

My 1600Mhz CL9 HyperX ones get a latency of less than 50ns. The 1600Mhz CL7'ones have a latency of under 44ns.