Geforce GTX 485M

Today I was going through Notebookcheck and saw Geforce 485M and Radeon 6970M in their list.

I have not heard any news about 485M.
So, there might be some chances for the AW to consider these gpus.
Just in case, anyone got news of 485M?

 

If you're willing to accept semiaccurate.com as a source.

SemiAccurate :: Nvidia to launch GF119 at CES

 

Well, then I will be more than happy if it is introduced with R3.

 

I have to ask.. considering the time it takes for AW to move on anything new, is that an honest question or are you asking because it's the cool thing to do when something new shows up?

 

I don't get it really Phinagle enlighten me...

Is the 485 the last gasp from Nvidia until 28nm? I don't really see what else they can do.

 

GF104 is the best GPU Nvidia has right now for a mobile offering....and it looks like it will get a respin into GF114 to fix yields and defects.

My opinion Barts is just a much better GPU than GF104/114 in cost, and perf/watt and really the only way I see a GTX 580M taking the top spot for total performance is if Nvidia is willing to push over a 75W TDP again and AMD isn't. Even if that happens though you will see more notebooks offering the top AMD option along with the a GTX 560M or 570M and avoiding the cooling requirements of a 90-100W TDP card.

I also believe Barts/Blackcomb will make for a better mobile GPU than Juniper/Broadway did. We may not have seen a large bump from Mob. HD4870 to Mob. HD5870, because AMD overdid Cypress and we never got the originally planned top end mobile GPU: Lexington, but I believe they've rectified things with Barts and it could bring a performance bump like we saw from the 3000 series to the 4000 series.


At 28nm AMD is said to be bringing a new arch with Southern Islands and it's widely accepted that we'll get to see most of what it will be like with Cayman. AMD has claimed that Cayman will bring back the days of R300/Radeon 9700 Pro and the 4D arch rumors do sound very promising. Again my opinion is if AMD delivers with the new arch Nvidia will need more than a die shrink to match up.... and meanwhile die shrinks by themselves haven't been very kind to Nvidia.


If I come off as an AMD fanboy it's because right now I am one....not out of some long-standing product loyalty but because I'm excited by the direction that AMD is heading. I've even begun rooting for them in the mobile CPU race and can't wait for Trinity APUs in 2012. If AMD can work Hybrid Crossfire off their top APU with their top discrete GPU they'd be untouchable by Nvidia and gain a very attractive selling point against Intel.

 

Since AW tries to offer something +1 than others and considering the remaining time being for R3, there exists chances for that.
Also you can see 6900m(after 485m) in the leaked pictures so that surely give some hints for 485m in R3.

 

At this time it's entirely logical that the 485M would instead come as a 580M. The question is whether such a chip would ever be put into SLI in a purchaseable machine. (Which Phin is pointing out as well on a heat and power basis). At this point we'll have to wait and see. I was not much impressed by the 6870 desktop and the touted performance increases (before release) didn't really pan out much in reality. But I'm not expecting a GF104 to be crazy faster than a 480M now either, mostly just better in power and heat (lower).

I still think after a year of trying, the drivers are just not good on the AMD side. And the hardware tends to end up with more dead chips out the gate. But they are vastly cheaper, and they are getting better. So nothing is decided against them either. I believe you just have to be ready for a bit more of a rocky road with AMD on that angle, but you'll save money, especially on a $/performance level, if you don't mind an occasional hassle.

What is good is that you have a choice. 2 years ago it was all Nvidia, and they treated the customer like it was some privilege to have purchased their stuff. Now the competition makes each side mind their manners better, polish their product a bit more, and respond proactively when problems are detected. Have a dead 5870 chip? Boom one is dropped in the mail to you next day. This has night and day improved the customer experience. It's not nirvana yet as a customer, but it is quite a bit better than before.

So you can count on, no matter which chip you use, a very good gaming experience and a very good machine.

 

^^ Well said! I agree that ATI isnt nearly as refined as nVidia, yet, but they are MUCH closer than in the past. The last major hurdel is getting better Crossfire support, but I think the developers are getting a wake up call that if you develop for the PC, both cards need support.

Notice, however, that I said "develop for the PC". Consoles are still getting the most attention at the moment (at least in the US) so a game ported from a console or developed for both platforms (console and PC), the console version almost wins every time.

 

AMD Fusion APUs are believed to be in the best position to get picked up for at least two of the three major next-gen consoles in 2012. Should it happen, game companies will be developing for a simplified hardware set shared by both consoles and PCs.

 

They do? I must have missed the part where GTX4XX products were in ASUS, MSI and practiclly every other laptop on the market, except alienware, who decided to re-use a GTX285. Or the part where the R1 used G92B parts and then finnaly threw a 4870 in there too after they got so much flack for not using them from the get-go. *or* in the case of 5870s, being another few months late to the party after ASUS had had a 5870 laptop for such a long time. After which, it took them even more time before they had a crossfire configuration.

AW has never +1'd anyone with the M17x(except XM turbo boosting). They have been consistianty been behind the curve on new products, every time.

 

"tries to" not "do offer"
Infact, this delay is happening after AW was taken by Dell.
Remember they used to offer those Acoustic dampening stuff which reduce noises and stuff, some killer NIC...
I know they are just making your investment premium but they were +1.
Neveknow with the R3..

 

True, AW is already behind in terms of 3D screens (Asus), 4x0M's, USB 3.0, etc.
CES will be swarming with SB ready notebooks. Lightpeak is getting readied by Apple. The only hope is the M69x0... Will see in 3 weeks.

 

I'm not sure how you're trying to justify this. If they're 'trying to' out-do their competitors, releasing the same products they've had for months isn't the way to do it. That's not trying to do anything except play catchup.

yeah, and we might have an 18" SLI GTX485 400W SB computer in 3 weeks. That doesn't mean it's going to happen, or even that it's a realistic outcome. AW's track record so far has been predictable, I don't see any reason for that to change so far.

 

So??????
I was just making a speculation...
Looks like I violated federal law of Lozz

 

Alienware plays it zafe to be sure. But the plus for me is the build quality. Sure, my grafics are 6 months older than the competition, but the problems upon release are halved as well. The m17x never had a GSOD (grey screen of death) and they run on average 10-20 degrees cooler. So there are trade offs to be sure, but in the end i feel alienware is making the right (albit draconian) decisions.

 

that's a +1 on gpu temp compared to others.

 

Lozz is law.

I like that.

 

Look at it like this: Alienware is the only manufacturer that managed to get Crossfire 5870m working. Clevo tried and failed with their X8100. So they took some extra time but they accomplished a lot.