Hey all,
I just got my new M17x R2 laptop about a week ago and I've been messing around with a few things. I was doing a lot of research on the laptop and read pages and pages of forums. I researched all the problems that people were dealing with so I would know what to check for and so fourth.
I updated my BIOS to A09, updated my GPU Drivers with the latest and greatest from the dell website, and also flashed my GPU's wit the latest VBIOS from Dell. I also OC'ed my CPU 5% from the settings in the BIOS. I did a 3DMark Trial Version Software Benchmark and scored a P15049. CPU score = 16,422 and GPU score = 14641. I thought it was kinda low compared to people's stuff that I read. I was wondering if I could get some feedback on how to further tweak system, and also OC my GPU's. I read the M17x Wiki Page and it said something about reflashing the VBIOS with 5870m Bios and then using this ATI Bios Editer, but I was a little nervous to do that again. I figured I'd get some feedback from some knowledgeable people first.
Cheers
Laptop Specs:
2.13 Ghz Intel Core i7 940 XM
8G DDR3 1333 RAM
1 GB ATI HD 5870 x 2 XFire
256 GB SSD
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This might have been on the wiki but in case not, here is what Mandrake was saying. It should be fairly simple.
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Tools needed:
A bootable USB stick
ATIFlash
RBE (Raedon BIOS Editor)
GPU-Z
1) Get a copy of your current BIOS and make an additional copy of it and store it somewhere besides your M17x. Do this by placing a copy of atiflash on your boot stick. Turn your M17x on and get into the system BIOS. You need to change the boot order of your system to look at the usb stick first. Then save, exit and boot off the stick. At the command prompt type atiflash -i. When you do this it should report back to you information on your 4870. It will show two cards if you have a crossfire setup. If you notice the cards are EXACTLY the same (I would assume somewhere written in the bios that one card is defined as Master and the other as Slave). Out of paranoia I treat them as two different cards and repeat the steps twice. Now to get a copy of the bios type atiflash -s 0 bios0.rom. This will take a copy of the bios on card 0 and call it bios0.rom. Repeat for the second card, atiflash -s 1 bios1.rom. Like I said before keep an additional copy of the bios files in a separate location. If you want to go back to stock eventually it's best to load the original copies.
2) Use RBE to change the clocks in the bios files. I normally just take my copy of the bios and drag and drop them right on RBE in Windows Explorer. That will open up RBE with the BIOS file loaded. You'll get a warning about the GPU not having ATI overdrive capabilities. Click OK to it. Click on the button on top called Clock Settings. Here is where you'll set your different clocks and voltage to save to the bios file. There is also a little wizard button you can use that will simply ask you how you want the over-clock settings to look like and your under-clock settings. You can use this wizard if you are a beginner. Once you change your clock and/or voltage settings save your bios. In this example I will call it nbios0.rom for card 0 and nbios1.rom for card 1. Put a copy of these two new files on your boot stick.
3) Flash your cards with the new settings. Reboot your system and boot off the usb stick once again. Here is another step to do out of paranoia. Verify that the checksum for your original bios file and new bios file are exactly the same. If they are not it has become corrupted somewhere along the process. Type atiflash -cf bios0.rom (this is the original file) then atiflash -cf nbios0.rom (this is the new file). The output should be exactly the same. Do it also for card 1. Once you are comfortable everything is OK flash the new bios by typing atiflash -p 0 nbios0.rom. It will tell you it's successful (hopefully) and to reboot your system but DO NOT reboot if you have a second card. Repeat the process, atiflash -p 1 nbios1.rom. Once that is successful pull your usb stick out and reboot. Once you're back into Windows use GPU-z to verify your clock settings. -
Since I have a copy of the VBIOS I just recently updated, can't I just use RBE on that BIOS instead? -
it works for both cards. I've done it on both.
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Hey there mr Jekt.. I did my 5870 cards yesterday by reading Mandrakes helpful instructions. Also DR650SE did help me on the way, thanx for that... So what i did was reading Mandrakes instructions and had my iphone with his instructions all the way. If you havnt done this before like me, try starting with just copy the bios (copy this to a hardrive or something) and then open RBE, load bios. Then use the wizard.. But as Mandrake said, always check that the checksum numbers when flashing are the same.
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Agreed with "I am gamer", if for some reason the checksum number changes, which the chances are almost nil, and maybe because the vbios gets currupt, then you don't want to flash that copy. Also when overclocking you can over volt as well. Stock voltage on the cards is 1.05v and you can increase the voltage to 1.1v or 1.15v. You can use the increased voltage to keep your cards stable at higher clocks.
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Rengsey R. H. Jr. I Never Slept
Just make sure that the laptop does not shutdown by acccident in the middle of a bios flash
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? What are some known clock settings that work well? I'm sorry if I'm asking super noob questions.
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Check sum would be what you get from this step (paragraph three)
"Type atiflash -cf bios0.rom (this is the original file) then atiflash -cf nbios0.rom (this is the new file). The output should be exactly the same." -
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? I'm sorry if I'm asking super noob questions
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checksum numbers I don't remember exactly, but the original file and the new edited vbios should output the same checksum. Now as far as modifing the vbios, did you flash the new vbios as dell stated, and then pull it off the GPU as outlined in the steps above? I havn't messed with the new vbios, but that would be the procedure. Then that file that you copied from the gpu to the thumb drive should be editable.
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I'm downloading ATIFlash as we speak. Everything will probably make a lot more sense once I start actually doing it. Hopefully you'll be around to help me every step of the way.
I did flash the new VBIOS yesterday. First I flashed A09 BIOS, then I updated the Dell Catalyst Drivers, and then I flashed it with the new DELL VBIOS. -
Thinks are making more sense already. So ATIFlash is almost like a mini OS you're booting off of on the USBStick.
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I pressed F12 when rebooting after placing ATIFlash on the Memory Stick. I booted up from it and got this.
Disk I/O Error
Replace the disk, then press any key
*I pressed a key*
Inter(R) Boot Agent GE v1.3.35
Copyright(C) 1997-2009, Intel Corporation
PXE-E61: Media test failure, check cable
PXE-M0F: Exiting Intell Boot Agent.
Operating System not found.
Is the solution to this, that I should have ATIFlash in a folder on my Memory Stick? I'll try that out. -
Ok, you first need to make that USB drive bootable. To do so. follow the instructions found in this post (CLICK ME). Then put ATIflash on the drive, and that should work to boot off and use atiflash. Just make sure you don't have anything important on the drive, because it will reformat it. I'd also print out the directions so that you can follow along while you type everything in since it will be in dos.
After reflashing the new vbios you can remove the drive and do a ctl+alt+del to restart.
And believe me, after you've done it a few times, it becomes a lot less intimidating and easier to understand. So just bare with the learning curve, and you'll be good. -
Will do. Rapid share is being gay and not letting me download the Bootme part because I'm not a premium member. I have to wait a few minutes.
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I just finished copying the BIOS files. It's pretty straight forward. Things are making much more sense now. What are some stable clock speeds that will give me some extra punch that I should use that won't make my system unstable?
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Dude I'm in the same boat you are. I literally just did everything you did in your original post. Don't forget to add some voltage to your 5% CPU overclock. My M17X R2 crashes/freezes in BFBC2 without the extra volts.
Also, Why is overclocking such a pain in the arse. Isn't using Rivatuner and or AMD Clock Tool much easier? Let me know how all that BIOS stuff works out for you. I'll be doing the same thing probably in 6 hours after I wake up.
Let me know what clocks you end up using. I'm just going to copy you -
I crashed for a nap. As far as gaming, I'm not really sure. I never OC for gaming, but just benching. I would test out differant speeds. Maybe 800/1100 at 1.1v, or you might even get away with stock 1.05v. I'm not real sure. But you can just test it out, and run a game. Something GPU demanding, like Crysis.
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sorry
but where i can see a guide for this ?
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Read the original post start from post one. I walked him through the entire process. Also to comment for HandsomeRob, reflashing the GPU provides much more stable overclocking, and allows access to GPU voltage.
Also for the tools to overclock, you can find them by googling or downloading from guru3d.com
There is a link for directions to create a bootable USB drive on page 2. -
i cant seem to get rivatuner or amd gpu clock tool to work with the latest dell driver and vbios. is there any software OC tool i can use to get a stable clock speed first before commiting to permanent vbios OC flash?
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Have you tried using the Furmark trick? Set it at the smallest resolution, than run furmark in windowed mode and click apply to your GPU clock settings? I havn't messed with OCing the new drivers and vbios so I'm not sure. But if it's unstable using rivatuner, you might be able to make it stable through flashing and upping the GPU voltage from 1.05v to 1.10v.
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Also, should I definitely up the voltage from 1.05V to 1.1V even if I OC just a little? If I want to up the clocks or lower the clocks does that mean I have to re-flash the Bios again? Can re-flashing the bios multiple times cause any kind of problems? I'm going to try the numbers you gave me. Would a game like Final Fantasy XIV be stressful enough on the GPU to test for crashes and temps? I have Crysis, I'm just lazy to install.
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software OC is always the best to start with, it's a tool to determine the limit of your GPU before doing a permanent flash. it's safer this way. but sadly (correct me if im wrong) there arent any OC tool out there capable of OC ati mobility cards now. -
How did you get a 2nd HDD on your M17x? It wasn't even an option when I purchased mine so I just got the 256GB SSD. -
I've never used riva tuner for the current vbios for the GPUs, so I can't really comment on that, I just flash and reflash over and over. Helps to have and SSD so boot times are quick.
As far as flashing over and over, there isn't really any downside.
For testing out any GPU clocks, the best way to test them would be playing what ever game you plan to play. So if thats FFXIV, then I would do that. The only clocks I change are the ones on the far right. I don't mess with anything else. Those will adjust your max freq clocks so that really all you need. Just make sure you keep a copy of the original vbios that you copied from the GPU in case you decide to revert back to stock or need your system serviced for anything. -
Very smart. So you flash your original VBIOS back on it. I have a copy of the original bios on my boot disk and on my other PC just to be safe. What's a good tool to moniter heat?
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I would use GPU-Z in the sensors tab or RealTemp which was created by UncleWebb, who also created ThrottleStop, RealTemp actually is for the CPU, but I use GPU-Z for the GPU-Z, You can set it to record your max temp, or whatever you need.
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GREAT SUCCESS!!! ::BORAT VOICE::
I did it =) I opened up GPU-Z and the default clocks are now 800/1100. I didn't up the volts though. If I start getting frequent game crashes I'll go back into it and up the voltage. Now to run the FFXI Benchmarking tool and see how it goes. -
Very nice! very nice!
Respect---Ali G
But yeam if you need anything from Dell, just reflash your original vbios. Also did you bench the FFXI at stock settings? might give you something to compare it to. -
Yeah. It went up from 2009 to 2227 on Hi Settings. That will make sense if you've ever used the FFXIV Official Benchmark. Just one thing I was concerned about. I went into the GPU-Z Log file, I saw one of the GPU temps reached 91C.
Now I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly. I'll copy and paste. From left to right these are what the values are.
Date GPU Core Clock , GPU Memory Clock , GPU Temperature , Fan Speed% , GPU Load% , Fan RPM , GPU Temp. #1, GPU Temp. #2, GPU Temp. #3
2010-09-26 15:30:32 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 91.0 , 30 , 99 , 277 , 76.0 , 91.5 , 87.5 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:33 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 91.0 , 30 , 99 , 277 , 76.0 , 91.0 , 87.5 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:34 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 91.0 , 30 , 99 , 277 , 76.5 , 91.0 , 87.5 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:35 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 91.0 , 30 , 99 , 277 , 76.0 , 91.5 , 87.5 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:36 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 91.0 , 30 , 99 , 277 , 76.0 , 92.0 , 88.0 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:37 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 92.0 , 30 , 99 , 277 , 76.5 , 91.5 , 88.5 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:38 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 92.0 , 30 , 99 , 277 , 77.0 , 92.0 , 88.5 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:39 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 92.0 , 30 , 99 , 277 , 76.0 , 92.0 , 88.5 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:40 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 92.0 , 30 , 98 , 277 , 76.5 , 92.0 , 89.0 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:41 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 91.0 , 30 , 99 , 277 , 76.5 , 91.0 , 89.0 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:42 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 91.0 , 30 , 99 , 277 , 76.5 , 91.0 , 88.0 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:43 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 91.0 , 30 , 99 , 277 , 76.5 , 91.5 , 89.0 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:44 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 91.0 , 30 , 99 , 277 , 76.5 , 91.0 , 89.0 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:45 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 91.0 , 30 , 99 , 277 , 77.0 , 92.0 , 89.0 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:46 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 85.0 , 30 , 98 , 277 , 74.5 , 85.0 , 83.0 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:47 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 79.0 , 30 , 87 , 277 , 72.0 , 79.5 , 79.5 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:48 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 78.0 , 30 , 68 , 277 , 71.5 , 77.5 , 78.5 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:49 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 78.0 , 30 , 55 , 277 , 71.0 , 78.0 , 78.0 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:50 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 81.0 , 30 , 48 , 277 , 72.0 , 81.0 , 80.5 ,
2010-09-26 15:30:51 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 85.0 , 30 , 42 , 277 , 73.0 , 85.5 , 83.0 ,
2010-09-26 15:31:26 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 75.0 , 30 , 86 , 277 , 69.0 , 75.5 , 75.5 ,
2010-09-26 15:31:27 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 74.0 , 30 , 66 , 277 , 67.5 , 74.0 , 75.0 ,
2010-09-26 15:31:28 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 74.0 , 30 , 53 , 277 , 67.0 , 73.0 , 74.0 ,
2010-09-26 15:31:29 , 800.0 , 1100.0 , 73.0 , 30 , 34 , 277 , 66.5 , 72.5 , 73.5 ,
It looks like the fan speed was stuck at 30%. That's a problem, no? -
That I'm not sure on. Did you ever hear the fan speed change? The temps shouldn't get that high. Try flashing the original vbios, then running the benchmark and see if the temps remain in the same area. That would help determine if the increased clock speed increased the temp that much.
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well, i guess wihout any software OC help, im gonna have to start taking the same route as you did with bios OC flashing. thanks anyway. -
NO problem, and I've clocked my GPUs too high for flashing, but unless your GPU ramps up to that speed, which during normal use like using RBE ect, it won't then it doesn't really affect anything, although if you start a game it will lock up. It won't affect base clock speed. But when I'm testing, I always create copies and have maybe 5 differant flashes on the USB drive. then I have a list next to me with the names of each file and clock speeds and then test/flash/test/reflash ect.
Since the GPU isn't really used for DOS, as long as you have your original vbios on the usb drive, you can always flash that. I'd have bricked my card by now benching if you could clock to high. I've benched my GPUs at 950/1276 before. -
Okay so I had some really interesting results. Firstly, even with the Dell VBIOS the temperature of the GPU1 shot up to the 80's which I thought was High. Secondly, when I switched to check the temperature of GPU2, it had ZERO load almost the entire benchmark. is that!?
GPU1
GPU2
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Here's a copy and paste of the log file. I'm not sure how to decipher one GPU from the other on here. This is some weird . The Fan speed dropped to 4? W-T-F is that?
Date GPU Core Clock GPU Mem Clock GPU Temp Fan Speed [%] Load [%] , Fan [RPM] , GPU Temp. #1 GPU Temp. #2 GPU Temp. #3,
2010-09-26 17:23:27 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 57.0 , 30 , 0 , 300 , 47.5 , 57.0 , 57.5 ,
2010-09-26 17:23:28 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 59.0 , 30 , 0 , 300 , 49.0 , 59.5 , 59.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:23:29 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 60.0 , 30 , 0 , 300 , 49.5 , 60.5 , 60.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:23:30 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 61.0 , 30 , 0 , 300 , 50.5 , 61.5 , 61.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:23:31 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 62.0 , 30 , 0 , 300 , 50.5 , 62.0 , 61.5 ,
2010-09-26 17:23:32 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 62.0 , 30 , 96 , 300 , 51.0 , 62.5 , 62.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:23:33 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 63.0 , 30 , 99 , 300 , 52.0 , 63.5 , 62.5 ,
2010-09-26 17:23:34 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 64.0 , 30 , 98 , 300 , 52.5 , 64.0 , 63.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:23:35 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 64.0 , 30 , 99 , 300 , 53.0 , 64.5 , 64.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:23:36 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 65.0 , 30 , 98 , 300 , 53.5 , 65.0 , 64.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:23:37 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 61.0 , 30 , 99 , 300 , 52.5 , 60.5 , 61.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:23:38 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 59.0 , 30 , 84 , 300 , 51.0 , 57.5 , 59.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:23:39 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 58.0 , 30 , 64 , 300 , 51.0 , 57.0 , 58.5 ,
2010-09-26 17:24:03 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 75.0 , 30 , 99 , 4 , 62.0 , 75.0 , 73.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:24:04 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 75.0 , 30 , 99 , 4 , 62.0 , 75.0 , 73.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:24:05 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 75.0 , 30 , 99 , 4 , 62.0 , 76.0 , 73.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:25:19 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 82.0 , 30 , 99 , 4 , 67.5 , 82.0 , 79.5 ,
2010-09-26 17:25:20 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 81.0 , 30 , 99 , 4 , 68.0 , 81.5 , 79.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:25:21 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 81.0 , 30 , 99 , 4 , 67.5 , 81.0 , 78.5 ,
2010-09-26 17:28:10 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 88.0 , 30 , 99 , 4 , 74.0 , 88.0 , 85.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:28:11 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 86.0 , 30 , 99 , 4 , 73.5 , 86.5 , 84.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:28:12 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 87.0 , 30 , 99 , 4 , 73.5 , 86.5 , 84.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:28:13 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 87.0 , 30 , 99 , 4 , 74.0 , 87.0 , 85.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:28:14 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 88.0 , 30 , 99 , 4 , 74.0 , 87.5 , 85.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:28:15 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 88.0 , 30 , 99 , 4 , 73.5 , 88.0 , 85.5 ,
2010-09-26 17:28:16 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 87.0 , 30 , 99 , 4 , 74.0 , 87.5 , 85.5 ,
2010-09-26 17:28:17 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 87.0 , 30 , 99 , 4 , 73.5 , 87.0 , 85.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:28:18 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 88.0 , 30 , 99 , 4 , 73.5 , 88.5 , 86.0 ,
2010-09-26 17:28:19 , 700.0 , 1000.0 , 87.0 , 30 , 99 , 4 , 74.0 , 87.0 , 85.0 , -
Hmm, that is odd. I would ask in the owners lounge or maybe even the benchmarking thread as they get more traffic. But I would double check to see that crossfire is enabled. I gotta crash for the night as it's almost 1am. Hope that you can find an answer, but take those pictures that you posted and try the owners lounge. Let them know all the steps you went through to make sure they are up to speed. I'm not sure how demanding that game is, but my GPU's don't get that hot. You may also consider changing the thermal pads and paste, and there are lots of great guides on that. Thats a whole seperate issue though. I'll be back after work tommorrow evening (my time) But definately look into the cross fire issue. Once that is running properly, you may see a large jump in the scores and OCing may not be neccessary. It might just be that you need to load a profile, which is something I havn't done on my system yet for gaming. Never researched much into it, but I know some of my games only operate on 1 GPU and I need to figure that out too. Just been to lazy since they play just fine.
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Mother Effer... I guess on the bright side... My system should be performing much better or at least has the potential to.
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I tried calling Alienware Tech Support and they decided I have a faulty GPU and are sending me a new one. Hopefully that'll fix things.
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Hmm... Differrent games, different temps.. Also i noticed that only one gpu worked.. In my case it deactivated when flashing it.. Activated and all was good again.. While gaming games reach 65-99 degrees for me.. Run furmark and if it craches then you now what to do. 850/ 1100/ 1.12v was very stable for me. Had 14000p gpu in vantage( dells driver, new v-bios and A09) and got 15500p after flashing.. Temps quite ok.. Have tried 900/ 1500/ 1.15v but games hangs and furmark crashes.. Vantage worked and got 15650 gpu but temps was a bit to high. Best temps was with 800/ 1100/ 1.12v with 15050p gpu in vantage. Right now im running 880/ 1100/ 1.12v And is very stable with 47.1fps in Maffia 2 maxed out. 37.7 fps and 949 p in heaven benchmark. Just interested of what averybody else get
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when i type atiflash -i it says invaild adapter ??
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Just installed Amds 10.8 and 10.8a profile. A friend of mine have bought a 5870 to his home made computor wich he got 16040p gpu in vantage. And he also said no way i would be able to get near that score. So with Amds 10.8 i got 16078p gpu.. With a stock 720 cpu i dont think thats to bad.. Clocks 880/ 1100/ 1.12v, stable in Vantage, furmark and heaven.
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I have a question for I am gamer. When you run these tests, in GPU-Z do you notice your GPU's sharing the load?
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Well right now, my GPU's are 100% Master 0% Slave. I don't know why it's doing that.
*Help* Looking to OC my Xfire 5870's
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