Help with settings for xtu (mr fox ?) alienware 17 (i7-4930mx)

Hello I'm hoping for some help with Xtu adjustments, without brick the mainboard and CPU.
I just put in a new motherboard cause it crashes (brick) with Xtu. Settings were incorrect(voltage). I have the new alienware 17 with i7-4930 (41-40-39-39). Uncore speed(3100ghz).
Running cinebenc 11.5 with all cores at 8.1 points. Have applying new thermal grease (gelid Xtreme) but has a temperature up 98-99 ° C during cinebench test.
Does it help to change the voltage and offset adjustments ?'. Want get slightly lower temperature of CPU, and maybe a little higher overclocking off the processor.
Sending a picture of my adjustments Xtu tools.
Hoping for some help with some good adjustments, without any crash of the motherboard.

 

First you need to get some better cooling going... look at this information and follow suit on the paste. Haswell is a terrible overheating mess, so this step is important for good results.

Also, please have a look at the opening post in this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-18-m18x/734696-how-overclock-alienware-18-haswell-cpu.html

For a modest 4.3GHz overclock, these settings should work OK for you.

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Thanks for the help.

I wondered about to reduce Voltages, are the temperature goes down a bit ?
Voltages on i7 4930mx is 1.200v, is that a reason why the temperature is quite high? Temperature on cpu is about 82-83 degrees, when testing with 3dmark fire strike and 3dmark 11. The indoor temperature is 24-25 degrees Celsius when testing at home. How far do you think I can go down the voltage before I crash (brick) motherboard and can not post the bios?
Last time I adjusted volts at the CPU, the machine would not post the bios, so I had to put in a new motherboard.
I think I put voltage on static rather than adaptive mode, and I think volage was 1.192v, when the computer would not start more.
PCIe clock is at 100.23 now and I have a little jarring on speakers,( PCIe?) Should not be like this.
Regarding teperature, A17 certainly warmer than alienware 18. My alienware has only 2 heatpipes on CPU cooler, there should be 3?
Also wonder about the dynamic CPU voltage offset. An important adjustment?
Hoping for answers. I'm very bad in English ;-)

 

I would not set the voltage lower than what is shown. Some people have, but the risk of not being able to POST is probably greater. Using the Dynamic CPU Voltage Offset should help avoid that because the total voltage available is the Core Voltage + Offset.

Try Liquid Ultra thermal paste. It made a HUGE improvement in my temps. Alienware 18 used to suffer from thermal shutdowns when overclocked even with the 3-pipe heat sink, easily hit 100°C at a modest 4.3GHz overclock. I am running 1.225V @ 4.5GHz and temps are still well managed with Liquid Ultra. With the stock Dell paste, IC Diamond and NT-H1 I could not run 4.5GHz under load for more than about 2 seconds before the machine would shut down from heat. The fans not working properly certainly did not help that situation, but even though the fans still do not work as I would like them to, using Liquid Ultra I am not having any kind of serious problems with temperatures. I highly recommend trying it with your Alienware 17 and its 2-pipe CPU heat sink. I would like to hear how much difference it makes. See the application instructions I posted in the link previously.

If you run into troubles with the machine not booting, look at the information kh90123 has posted on how to resuscitate your machine.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...-if-one-runs-into-no-post-messed-up-bios.html

And this example from another user: http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...e-how-recovery-your-bios-settings-bad-oc.html

And one more example... Alienware 18 no POST - How to reset UEFI BIOS when no POST?

This should work for the Alienware 17 as well if it fails to POST.

 

Hey thanks for the answers. I adjusted core voltage and dynamic CPU voltage settings as you said. Tried with a little overclocking on the CPU with 41-40-40-40 . The adjustments were set , but in cpu - z and hwinfo 64 (also in Monitor Xtu ) was the result 1.202v . This is incorrect. Xtu adjustments are properly set and I see them in Xtu settings . I'm running tests and voltage are as previously (about 1.2010v ) . Is it that I run with 41 on one core and the rest of 40 ? I was hoping that i could use a little under voltage , as you said. Is there something wrong with my Xtu ? Sending a picture of my little overclock .. It should be possible and adjust the Voltages little bit . Adds one picture from toms hardware where you can see gelid is usable ( for a little overclocking ) . Will probably use liquid ultra later ;-)
Hope you can help me with this and look at some appropriate adjustments. Should be possible and watch this machine 41-40-40-40 with gelid , with reasonable temperature , then I think the temperature will be slightly lower with an adjustment of the Volt and other adjustments in Xtu .
Should I turn off overclocking in Xtu ( default ) , when I uninstall Xtu and then install the program again ? Is there anything I should know and do during such a change . In bios I have the same overklock adjustment as Xtu .

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When I adjusted the CPU Voltage Offset, then the voltage offset changed and the voltage go slightly higher in cpu-z and hwinfo 64 under firestrike test. Only Dynamic CPU Voltage Offset changed settings on both adjustments


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Tank you

 

It is normal for the voltage to vary with the dynamic setting. If you are running 4.1GHz use 1.175V and same offset and it should work fine. Use settings I showed you already except for lower voltage with 4.1GHz.

 

Hi
When I adjust the CPU voltage and CPU Voltage Offset, I get a much higher voltage value that you see in the pictures. Should it be so?
If I run a test voltage value goes down then?
the are high voltage values, ​​when the computer does nothing ?
I Wonder also what system offset does with the cpu

Thank you for the help

 

Unless you are experiencing undesired results, don't worry about it. The dynamic setting and the offset gives the CPU "wiggle room" to draw what it needs, when it needs it. The voltage being high at idle time does not hurt anything. If it is bugging you a lot you can try uninstalling and reinstalling XTU. I doubt it will change anything, but it might.

 

will not the cpu gets hotter with high voltage then?
It was warmer under test of 3dmark11 after I adjusted these voltage values. Temperature went up 3-5 degrees. Voltages are only higher and when testing. there must be some problems with the alignment of the core voltage. Voltages increases rather and go down.

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What do you think is wrong mr fox?

1 picture of my bios. I use adaptive setting during core voltage mode in the bios. Is this correct adjustments to my bios? I look again, you do not have the option in your bios for core voltage mode similar to mine bios.

Should I use adaptive or override setting in core voltage mode in the bios?
I use adaptive mode by default. If I set the override in bios setting, can I crash (brick)the computer and not permitted to post bios?

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I know intel likes to have a setting to plus or minus the inputted value.

 

If the voltage goes up with Adaptive selected it is because the CPU has decided it needs more voltage. Alienware changed something and those settings used to show up on the Alienware 18 in the BIOS, but they do not any more. Yes, if you set the voltage too low you will potentially make it where the machine cannot POST. Try the override option and set your voltage to 1.165 (the decimal point will be missing in the BIOS value). Using the override option the voltage will remain static at whatever value you choose.

 

Hello again
Do you think I can risk getting no post bios during startup of computer, for example if I set the value 1900 in override mode in the bios? by 41-40-40-40
Hello again

 

Why would you want to set it to 1.900V LOL? That's way too high for any modern CPU. Did you mean 1.190V (1190 in BIOS) perhaps? If so, that should work fine.

 

Ca+/- 1.190v

 

View attachment 111270 [Hello everyone
I just applied liquid ultra on my i7 - 4930xm cpu . running an overclock at 4x42 . ( See my Xtu settings) . My nvidia gpu has 854/1454 overclock with stock VBIOS . What do you think about test results on my alienware 17 '.
I can not run at a lower voltage than this , because of only blue screen .
Are there any adjustments that I can do differently ? Cpu physics tests under fire strike and 3DMark 11 has a maximum temperature of 82-84 degrees Celsius. I do not think I can get a lower CPU temperature of my cpu cause it only have 2 heatpipes on my cpu cooler. Alienware 17 has only 2 pieces . The application of liquid ultra I'm sure is sucessful . A techniques looked at the result and said it was good . Indoor temperature during the tests was 22 to 23 degrees Celsius. I am sure of the reason for lower cpu temperature on alienware 18 in the tests is 3 heatpipes on CPU ! . Nvidia GPU is 72-73 degrees Celsius during the tests .
Thanks for more input .
Ps is nvidia 's 337.50 beta driver good, or should I opted for a different driver ?
Is curious to know what you think about cpu score during the tests .
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I get the blue screen with the adjustments you see above. Tried with new adjustments. +20mv on cpu voltage offset and +20mv processor cache voltage offset. What do you think about these settings, as you see in the picture? Is there anything wrong with Xtu? Do I need to reinstall Xtu again. Do I put Xtu to defalt adjustments, before I reinnstallerer Xtu?

Blue screen after every of these settings also (whea_uncorrectable_error)
Tests with kaspersky full virus scan. I do not understand this.
Need help.
By 4x41 with adaptive voltage of 1.180 will be fine.
See the picture below.

 

Your voltage settings seem higher than they need to be. With 43x4 you should be able to manage stability with 1.175V. Try using a negative offset of 10mV and set your long and short duration power limits to 125 each. Or, leave it at 1.200V and use a negative 20mV or 25mV offset. I would also set the Processor Current Limit to 130 for 43x4. Set the processor cache ratio to 43 with default voltage. If you still get BSOD using these settings download and install WhoCrashed and use it to read your dump files. It may be that your BSOD issues are being triggered by something other than CPU settings (software, drivers or even memory issues). What is the bug check code? If it is 0x124 this most often points to core voltage being set too low, but in this case the voltage setting look too high, at least compared to the settings that work well for my 4930MX.

The Physics (CPU) scores for both of your benchmarks are good considering you are using Windows 8. They are every bit as good as what I would expect to find for 4.3GHz on Windows 8, so the CPU is performing well and stability is the only thing that needs to be sorted. (The only reason I am mentioning Windows 8 is that CPU performance is slightly crippled with Windows 8. Physics scores are always higher with Windows 7 on my Alienware 18 and my M18xR2.)

 

Hi
the bug check code is: 0x124

I tried 1.1900v + 25 voltage offset, it looks it like works..
those I have talked to says I should have lower processor cache ratio than the turbo boost clock (3-400 under)
Now I have 36 on cpu cache ratio.
I do not have high temperature or high load, when I get a bluescreen. Less than 75 degrees Celsius on the CPU on load. indicate really too low voltage on the CPU (iI have added Liquid ultra


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Mr fox

Can you follow me a bit on this thread, maybe someone else too?

THANK YOU :hi2:



You said : They are every bit as good as what I would expect to find for 4.3GHz on Windows 8,

Ps I run 4.2ghz

 

That was a typo, but it's still good for Windows 8.

I always run my processor cache at 43x or higher. I typically match the cache to the core clock until around 4.7-4.8GHz. Still try bumping up the other values that I mentioned. It may improve stability and may allow you to run lower voltage.

I used to run lower voltage with a positive offset, but lately I have been testing using a higher voltage than needed with a negative offset and I am finding that to be a little better for temps and performance. If you haven't tried doing that, you might want to see how that works. The CPU will use less voltage if it can do so when using a negative offset without losing stability. With a positive offset, it can only go higher, not lower.

 

Hi IF I USE 1.200mv default voltage and a little negative offset, CAN I BRICK THE PC BECOUSE OF USING NEGATIVE OFFSET? default 1.200mv i have bluescreen 0.124 indicate really too low voltage on the CPU

 

I am using negative offset without any issue and it has not bricked anything. The negative offset is not the same as setting the voltage too low. The offset controls how much lower (-) or higher (+) the voltage can go based on instructions provided by the CPU. As long as the negative offset is a reasonable value it should cause no harm. Do the arithmetic and that can serve as a guide on what is reasonable. 1.200V with a -25mV offset would mean your voltage could go down to 1.175, -20mV would let it go down to 1.180V, neither of which is low enough to brick anything.

 

i do it with statick voltage 1.192, i bricked my pc and no post. THANK YOU SO MATC.I talk to you later THANKS

 

Hello again.
It looks like my cpu does not like low voltage. Crashes at low voltage. Used some of your (Mr Fox) adjustments. Only blue screen 0x0000124. I am sure it is the low volts for the processor, cpu is not heating under load. (crashes with low loads and low temperature) Tried as you said with both a lower voltage on 1.1900mv and negative offset 10- 20mv.Båskjerm. Also tried with only 1.1900mv. blue screen. 1.200mv and 10-15mv negative offset.blue screen. 1.205-1.210 and negative offset. Blue screen.
Tried with 1.200mv default Blåsjerm.
Tried 1.185mv-1.175mv. Blue screen.
Also tried with positive offset +10 / +20 etc.. In all setups. Blue screen. Everyone with 4x42.
Now I have tested with 4x42 with 38 cache ratio.1.900mv and positive offset +25mv . Not a single crash, with good results. See the pictures.
This works very well. Can you look at my adjustments and guide me further?
Ok temperatures. I have installed Xtu again and added beta nvidia 337.61.
my processor can"t run at a much lower voltage?
i Have not enter any special (weird) software on the pc.
Running now without a single crash with my pc with these adjustments (Picture) View attachment 111359



this is in use (38 cashe) View attachment 111360
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guide me further?


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I run several types bencmark tests and it runs smooth.
But when I run a full virus scan I get a blue screen after a little while. I have a low temperature during virus scan, about 70-80 degrees Celsius, and not some big loads. (kaspersky internet security 2014). What is wrong.
tests go well with a load of 70-90w View attachment 111402

 

Keep those CPU settings because they are working really nice and producing good results.

What is the bug check code from Kaspersky?

My recommendation is to use Windows 8 Defender. Aftermarket anti-virus programs for Windows 8 are a waste of money. Defender does everything it needs to do for free and it's 100% stable. I have seen a number of stability issues reported with Kaspersky, Avast, AVG and McAfee. I don't recommend using any of those (especially not McAfee and Avast).

If you uninstall Kaspersky and don't have any more problem leave it uninstalled. Turn on Defender and run a system scan to see if you get a BSOD using Defender. If not, start using Defender instead and see if you can get a refund on the Kaspersky. If you can't get a refund, either sell it, give it away as a gift, or use it on a Windows 7 machine.

 

Some Anti Virus programs stress different parts and instruction sets of the cpu,which is why i use Bitdefender Anti Virus to test for stability on my systems,if i can get through that its stable no blue screens,seems to load up cpu more so than cinebench 11.5:thumbsup:

 

What do you mean by
What is the bug check code from Kaspersky.

Where can I find this chec code?
I think you using the VIPRE ANTIVIRUS?
What if I try VIPRE?

Why is it so hard to virus scan with kaspersky when my cpu is overclocked, but not at normal speed. I think I got the full scan with cache ratio of 37

 

What Mr Fox means is what is the Bc Code that you get when you run Kaspersky? eg:Bc Code 124 etc. Seems to be plenty of Vcore what is your cache ratio voltage? Try to lower your cache ratio to x37 see if that helps.

 

When I scan with kaspersky is tempeature about 70-82 degrees Celsius and less loads to Cinebench 11.5. Load up to approximately 70W. Can get a bluescreen at much lower load than that too.

 

Thats quite possible but Kaspersky probably stresses different instruction sets within the cpu that are not utilized by CineBench 11.5 which is why i suggest you lower your cache ratio to x37 and give it another try. As long as your no more than 500Mhz below core frequency with your cache ratio it wont impact performance an awful lot,cache ratio on Haswell has twice the bandwidth of Ivy bridge so whilst it is preferable to have core ratio and cache ratio the same it doesn't have to be.

 

What Mr Fox means is what is the Bc Code that you get when you run Kaspersky? eg:Bc Code 124 etc. Seems to be plenty of Vcore what is your cache ratio voltage? Try to lower your cache ratio to x37 see if that helps.[/QUOTE]



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see the photos just across

 

I dont know what the default cache ratio voltage is on AW17 try setting it to 1.15V no offset for a ratio of 38 or try these settings

 

I will test again with cache ratio of 37, it worked ok before. If that does not work, I think maybe I uninstall kaspersky. It looks like my i7 4930mx is voltage hungry. it looks like I have to use core voltage at 1.190mv and core voltage offset (positive offset +25 mv) 4x42 and processor cache ratio 38

Maybe I can overclock higher with uninstalling kaspersky



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I can run a full virus scan with cache ratio of 37
these adjustments: 4x42 + cache ratio of 37
Core voltage on 1.1900mv and dynamic CPU voltage offset +25. 125.000A and100W Power max-

 

Try to run cache ratio of 37 with a Vcore of 1.19V multi x42 no offset see how that would go with virus scan,i dont think your Vcore was the problem i think it was the cache voltage was too low.

 

I have tried with positive voltage on cache with 10-15-20mv = blue screen
Having now uninstall kaspersky tested with windows defender with 37 cache = blue screen.
Had not blue screen with 37 cache in kaspersky. What's going on? I have tried with positive voltage on cache with 10-15-20mv = blue screen
Having now uninstall kaspersky tested with windows defender with 37 cache = blue screen.
Had no blue screen with 37 cache in kaspersky. What's going on?
I looked again windows defender spent a lot more watts than kaspersky

 

Ok well it seems you cant run a cache ratio of greater than 37 so leave it at that you might have a bad overclocking chip,my 4900MQ will do [email protected] with 4200Mhz cache ratio @1.165V 24/7 Stable seems mine is above average. Keep in mind different programs anti virus or otherwise will make use of different cpu instruction sets and as such some will cause instability. AIDA 64 is one stress test that pushes all the cpu instruction sets at the same time and is probably the best stability test for Haswell.

 

It appears that long term in high load is a the problem. What can I to do with it? If this is a the problem.

 

If it is stable with cache ratio at 37 then i wouldn't worry about it performance wont suffer that much.

 

Here is the latest error code, who crashed View attachment 111410

 

Vcore is too low or cache ratio voltage is too low,maybe both

 

Remember that i have now 1.1900mv +25mv in cpu voltage offset. Hwinfo says total 1,226-1.227mv during tests.

 

Which is very high for 4200Mhz you might have to drop your core multiplier to 41 and be happy.........

 

I'd do exactly the opposite and run the cache equal to the multiplier (that's how I run my 4930MX) instead of lower. I'd also try bumping the cache voltage.

The bug check code is the code that coincides with the BSOD to give you information about what's happening and sometimes what is causing it. Use WhoCrashed to analyze the bug check code. You should always review the bug check code as the first step in attempting to understand why a BSOD has occurred. If you have the page file disabled you will need to re-enable it or Windows won't create dump files.

The benchmark results suggest the CPU is running properly and if minor tweaks up or down for power settings doesn't resolve the issues you may be having other issues. A clean Windows install, or carving out a partition to dual-boot Windows 7 might be helpful. Even if you prefer Windows 8 you can use Windows 7 for troubleshooting purposes. If it runs stable with Windows 7 you'll have clear proof that your Windows 8 installation has issues and needs to be redone. If it behaves the same with Windows 7, then your CPU may have issues.

What happens running stock clock speeds (besides being slower). Any BSOD running BIOS defaults? Have you tried changing the BIOS to cTDP to see if the BSOD problem goes away?

 

MR FOX
Do you know what voltage the default processor cache voltage is in i7 4930mx ? Also when you oveclock cpu

It never happens WITH defalt ADJUSTMENT 37-38-39.
It looks like it works fine with cache 37 and 42 overclock View attachment 111412

Can I use 330W power adapter alienware 18 viking, without any modification? How much current can I draw from 240W adapter stable?

 

Hey all you
Have run some tests again, everything stable. View attachment 111438 View attachment 111440 Physics score on 3dmark 11 is 10190 points and four strike is 11938 points

Here are some results and Xtu adjustments. The machine draws 218-230W under full load. Physics tests (cpu) leaving 173-180w. What do you think about cpu performance? I'm absolutely sure it have been much better with 3 heat pipes on cpu cooling as alienware 18. What do you think about that? It is well the same problem with the power adapter mod on alienware alienware 17 and 18. Mr fox what do you think my gtx780m draws under full load with stock VBIOS with overclock 854/1454 ? In Watt? Temperature under tests was 79-82 degrees celcius. Have mounted liquid ulra and wonder how long it can be sustained before I need to replace. 3-6-9-12 months (1 year ?) Application is excellent. There was Added 2 times and tested. Can not have the same cpu temperature like alienware 18 with three heatpipes. Give me feedback on the results.

Ps: I have ru many test to see stability

 

The settings look good. CPU is running stable and performing very well.

Are the BSOD problems gone now? Was Kaspersky causing it or something else.

A 3-pipe heat sink would be helpful.

I don't know how many watts a single 780M will draw with a stock vBIOS. I don't use a stock vBIOS and have not tested it. At 854/1854 it should not be that much. I am going to guess at around 120-125W in that scenario.

With a vBIOS mod, added voltage and higher core clocks (beyond 1.0GHz) you would exceed the capacity of your 240W AC adapter with the CPU overclocked like that. I would suspect somewhere about 150W or so from the GPU, plus at least another 120W or more from the 4930MX CPU beyond 4.3GHz. A 330W AC adapter is just about the right power supply for a single 780M/880M with the CPU and GPU substantially overclocked. It's OK stock or with a minor overclock, but the 330W AC adapter is nowhere even remotely close to being enough power for a heavily overclocked 4930MX and heavily overclocked 780M/880M video cards.

 

I run quite stable now with these adjustments on Xtu. I run everything now without problems. What do you think of these bench scores? Is absolutely sure that i have several possibilities at a higher overclock. Plan and modify a portable cooler with 3-4 80mm fans that I will run with a separate small power adapter. Not connected on the notebook usb. Low sound but good airflow. See the pictures and give me Feedback what you think. Can someone test with 4x 42 Overclock and give me some results of their tests with the same speed. Installed kaspersky back and it goes well. :thumbsup: View attachment 111467 View attachment 111468

Give me feedback on the results:hi2:

 

I think that looks good. Cinebench CPU score is really nice and that proves your settings are stable. Nice job, papusan.

I'm not sure why other Alienware 17 owners are not participating in the discussion. I know you're not the only one with an Extreme CPU itching to be overclocked. It's a real shame to let an unlocked CPU go to waste by running it stock.

 

What exactly is the meaning of buy one extreme processor, just for gaming and web surfing. It's fun to test such a cpu. It's too expensive too purchase such a CPU without testing and use the power on a PC.

 

^well the other side of the coin is the XM cpu is too expensive to break, hence just leave it at stock for usage

Although I agree it's a waste, some just like to have the best and latest, and there's no shame in that.

 

I wonder if I can utilized the power of a 330W ac adapter. Are sure that i most likely need to have more power if I make a VBIOS mod on my graphics card. Can my motherboard take advantage of a more stable power supply with more watts? (The motherboard utilizing it?) Can the motherboard handle more watts? What about the VRM on the motherboard.

 

A small collection of tests on my Alienware 17
The only thing that annoys me is that Dell does not come with an updated bios that fixes the fan profile on the new Alienware 17 View attachment 111497