Just now recieved it, I'll be running the bone stock out of the box configuration with the Dell bloat ware.
First off though, a gpu-z
3dmark vantage and 06 numbers to come soon! Should have some numbers later tonight fully optimized/ and on the SSD ect..
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Alright! Eagerly waiting for the benchmarks! Congrats btw
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Looking forward to it!
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Nice Lozz, how you likin it so far? It sux that their GDDR3! Do you have the option to use both ATI & Nvidia and or GDDR3 & GDDR5? I too am eager to see some benches.
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+ rep for being the first on here to have it. Can't wait for the bench....
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Hey Lozz, what games are you going to test with your new toy?
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When you bench Vantage, be sure to turn physx off so your CPU score isn't inflated
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silver is freaking sexy is all I can say, it's by far my favorite color.
Vantage;
12,691
my 720QM optimized/ 0 bloat ware CF 5870 computer managed 12,665 yesterday
I'll re-run it, but I would consider it legitimate considering physx is a legit feature of the cards.
06 is next!
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Oh Koolos cheifs. Its here ey NICE NICE. Wow nice chiefs slightly higher numbers from dell ey and slightly higher bandwidth compared to the 5870s oles!!!
Oles remember the stock 3d mark 06 score to beat was 15001 lol.
1st score right outta da box oles.
Cheers.
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3dmark 06 with physx on
that's all for right now, it's going to take a few hours to put windows 7 on the HDD and do all the updates/garbage.
I'll re-run and have some numbers by tonight. Dis-assembly to look at the acutal cards is tomorrow.
open to suggestions. The only two I can think of right now are crysis and maybe the FF14 benchmark. The only other high title game I can think of is metro 2033, since the game is physx intensive and might give the 285's an edge over the 5870s.Attached Files:
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Cool Cool chiefs. Sounds good.
Ahh a little behind my stock score. I guess roughly where we thought it would be ey. In terms of performance. Pretty good still oles.
Cheers.
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The lost planet 2 benchmark was pretty intensive too if you wanna give that a run too chiefs.
Yeh give Vantage a run with just the GPU tests later as well when you get everything setup and sorted.
The 5870s average for GPU score in vantage is 14k.
Cheers.
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Mafia 2 benchmark with physx on.
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Predator4rmMars Notebook Evangelist
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Originally Posted by Predator4rmMars
Nice Lozz, how you likin it so far? It sux that their GDDR3! Do you have the option to use both ATI & Nvidia and or GDDR3 & GDDR5? I too am eager to see some benches.
silver is freaking sexy is all I can say, it's by far my favorite color.
Vantage;
12,691
my 720QM optimized/ 0 bloat ware CF 5870 computer managed 12,665 yesterday
Hey Lozz, nice vantage run! I have to agree that silver does look good btw. Do you know if you're able to switch between SLI and CFX? or GDDR5 for that matter? Congrats on the "working system"
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Not sure what you mean by switch between SLi and CFX chiefs? However no its one of the other. Lozz only has the SLi cards in his system now.
Also GDDR3 is not so bad compared to GDDR5 if its used properly. AMD/ATi was soo quick to jump onto the GDDR5 ram chips back in the day when Nvidia didn't even need to bother. It was still whooping AMDs u noe wat lol even though it was using GDDR3 as opposed to the newer GDDR5. So if the Core engine is optimised better and can whoop some u noe wat it doesn't really matter that the GPU is using GDDR3 or GDDR5. Also its 256bit vs 128bit. Major fail on AMDs side there already in terms of bandwidth.
So Lozz testing should be able to show us some interesting results. I'm backing the 285s should do pretty well in gaming. oles.
Cheers.
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fresh win7 install resulted in mostly the same (even maybe a bit less) scores in vatage in 3dmark 06, so Im not going to post them. Would like to note that I recieved a 7200.4 and a WD black 500GB drive as my RAID 0 drives... and I now have hynix ram modules instead of samsung modules.
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thats a pretty meh score, almost 1k less than my r2 with 4870s scored stock with my i5-540, why would you switch from the 5870s or even the 4870s for these?
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Predator4rmMars Notebook Evangelist
I realize that Lozz has SLI now, and that it's one or the other. My curiosity lies with the bios and if it has an option for CFX or if it will support CFX for future upgrades?
GDDR3 is still really good due to most games still being created for DX10.1. I had an R1 and the only true problem was the mobo, hence my current beast! I am asking these questions for the open possibility that Lozz'z and the new R2's with greens are capable of supporting both GPU's (ATI and Nvidia). I have to agree that AMD jumped the gun with their GDDR5 mobile GPU's or rather Dell/ALIENWARE. If the new systems support both then I would rather have the 285M's at this point and wait for the 6870's.
I doubt any lack in gaming performance when using the 285m's because majority of current games are DX10.1 and also once you o'c the cards then they're just as fast, however not equal. It will be interesting!
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they're on 197.52 drivers, which are 5 months old. Were you using 10.5's on your run? Besides the fact that 2xx just hit lower synthetics, The 540 also clock boosts higher than the 740. In any case, I'll be trying whql 258's next. In real world situations 285's are not that much slower than 5870s, and beat them in the games it's optimized for.
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DR650SE, fellow grunt, what is the vedict? Should I order my M17x with the 285s or the 5870s tomorrow? What is everyones opinion, need advise before I spend four G's tomorrow. Thanks everyone
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Ah yep trues trues eheheheh man I was so sleepy when I posted late last nite. Sorry if my post was a bit wonky. Didn't mean to sound like you were confused or anything. Just saw the specs in your sig and your a PRO eheheh oles
Yeh actually you know I wouldn't mine the 285s probably for now either. I have a suspicion that they would absolutely murder FIFA 11 which is a complete fail on the 5870s atm. My R1 with 260s plays it much smoother and responsive. I sure hope that it is a driver issue so that AMD 10.10 mobility will fix me up.
In the future I too hope to upgrade my GPUs to perhaps a 400m series GPU or the 6870. Can't wait for Crysis 2. Thats gonna be the BOMB lol.
Let us know Lozz how the gaming/testing goes. Perhaps using fraps to guage minimal,average and max frames. Thanks. + of course in game benchmarks if they are available.
If you need a unlocked full retail version of FRAPS give us a buzz and I can hook you up. For testing purposes of course.
Cheers.
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Oles Chiefs,
Go with the 5870s. Unless you have the specific need for Nvidia GPUs or are a fanboy like Lozz and I lol.
Lozz will be posting up some in game experiences and other game testing numbers perhaps later today or whenever he gets the chance. So your welcome to wait and see exactly what it can do or just go ahead with your purchase bro. Either way is fine.
What Specs have you ended up deciding to purchase?
Cheers.
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FF14 bench would be nice. Just to show off some diff.
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920xm 6Gigs ram 5870's I guess, you guys make me wonder though. I will be running Crysis mostly and other military fps's. I trust all of you're judgements though, so if you say 5870's thats what i will run. If you are thinking different or have doubts let me know. Also I will go with the regular 500GB HD and install a SSD when I recive the laptop. Really looking forward to it, it has been a long time since I have had anything worth while.
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Hey chiefs if your not too in a rush. Stick around here and wait for some more info from Lozz. Games testing. Perhaps he could test out a few specific games for you if he has them readily on hand as well. Just to ease your mind
So shout out a few game names if you like and I could even do some game testing for you if I've got them or have tried them before.
Cheers.
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That would be great, I just want to be sure as I'm sure I hsve made clear in my many questions.lol I will be on for a couple more hours so I will be waiting and watching. Remember I have almost no idea what all the spec's mean so my computing knowledge is in you're hands. Thanks again for everything.
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Crysis is the only one I own really right now that would be important, plus I know that game pushes plenty good on any machine.
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Will it come with all the latest drivers on it or will I have to update everything when I recvie it?
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I used to smash Crysis pretty well with my R1. Maxed out settings except for AA. I actually haven't tried it on the R2. Hmmmmssss...... Go figure lol. What am I doing ehahahahah.
The system should come with new vbios and drivers installed. You should be pretty much set to go apart from you adding your personal touch to things of course.
Any games you looking to buy or try in the future that you know of?
I'm about to try out Medal of Honour Tier 1 Special ops atm. So I can tell you how that goes oles.
I'm really looking forward to it.
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Nice I will pick that up also let me know how it goes buddy
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We still thinking 5870's guys how goes the testing?
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I'm looking at the #'s and the 285 seems to be the better choice, let me know if i'm missing something. just do not know and am so up in the air again. It's only 50 more for the 285's but, I'm getting such mixed reviews from people.
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fair enough. no i was using stock dell drivers for 3do6 actually, they seem to get the best scores. recently i have been running right @ 19800 with the 640m, and 4870s. using the stock dell drivers. vantage is only marginally affected, i might be able to squeak a 13500 out of it depending on how hot it is that day. i only ask because it sees like more of the same from either side so i didn't understand the lateral move, i wasn't aware that you preferred Nvidia though.... personally i don't prefer either, i just want the machine to run, they both are crap for driver support,. nvidia releases a driver for every day of the week , and ATI releases one for every mistake a Retailer has made. as for the nvidia drivers i doubt you'll see a whole lot of improvement over the 195s. all thing's considered i hope they work out for ya.
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idk i don't like the idea of getting a generation old tech in a brand new machine, that cost more money for equal or lesser performance. i personally dont see that advantage, this is just like when everyone was clamoring for the ati cards when they first hit for the R1. we always want something new & better...
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that made me lol
even if the numbers seem higher on nvidia side i think the 5870 are the way to go driver for the 5 serie on ati side still can improve and the 5870 has plenty of ocing headroom
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Which numbers chiefs?
I'm having trouble getting the game to run atm. Keeps crashing. Gonna try and reinstall.
Cheers.
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lol i will check tomorrow my friend thanks for all the help, i'm pretty sure I will be going with the 5870's though. Unless you guys sway me the other way. Tell Lozz to hurry TIME IS RUNNING OUT,lol.
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I'm happy to report whql 258's installed and passed 2 benchmark runs so far just fine, I'll be doing some further testing to determine if they're 100% stable, but so far no studdering/sli studdering or BSOD's
and vantage is up to 12966. I'll be getting to the various game benchmarks shortly after an 06 run.
2006 reported the same or lower scores on 258's so I wont' bother posting a screenie.
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Cool thats great to hear Lozz. Stability is a must indeed.Lozz said: ↑I'm happy to report whql 258's installed and passed 2 benchmark runs so far just fine, I'll be doing some further testing to determine if they're 100% stable, but so far no studdering/sli studdering or BSOD's
and vantage is up to 12966. I'll be getting to the various game benchmarks shortly after an 06 run.Click to expand...
Ah i see the Vantage score has a nice CPU score since it takes advantage of the PhysX support.
GPU score is not that high though. No biggy.
Cheers.
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5870s are better, period. 285's are just bearly 'just as good' if these benchmarks have shown anything so far. It's $50 more because nvidia probally just charges more for the G92b chipcplluther said: ↑I'm looking at the #'s and the 285 seems to be the better choice, let me know if i'm missing something. just do not know and am so up in the air again. It's only 50 more for the 285's but, I'm getting such mixed reviews from people.Click to expand...
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the GTX 285's finnaly show their muscle, so far as I know, this is the highest M17X score on the FF14 benchmark to date.
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Thanks, Lozz and everyone else for helping me decide. I put the order in at one central, 920xm, 6Gb ram 5870's and 500gb hd. So pumped! 21 days and counting.
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Hey, sorry didn't see this yesterday. I would definately go with the 5870's. They also offer DirectX 11 which will be good for gaming later on. Granted they may not be the best DX11 cards since they are the first gen DX11, but the 5870's are cheaper and offer better performance in my opinion. I don't really play much that uses physx though.cplluther said: ↑DR650SE, fellow grunt, what is the vedict? Should I order my M17x with the 285s or the 5870s tomorrow? What is everyones opinion, need advise before I spend four G's tomorrow. Thanks everyoneClick to expand...
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Koolos chiefs. Nice order.cplluther said: ↑Thanks, Lozz and everyone else for helping me decide. I put the order in at one central, 920xm, 6Gb ram 5870's and 500gb hd. So pumped! 21 days and counting.Click to expand...
Okay so I've decided to give Medal of honor Tier 1 Special Ops installation another go. Aights we're all systems go now oles.
Okay turn settings up on everything to max. AA on VSYNC off and oles.
So far cut scenes are running at a steady 62fps. Will see how in game goes.
Not sure if there is a in game benchmark or anything; doubt it though.
Oh cool this should be fun. I've been waiting for this game oles. I really enjoyed playing MW2 and Bad Company 2. So I should enjoy this one as well. So far the games running well. No real hitches or any slow downs. Maxes out so far at 62 fps with drops down to around 30 the lowest I've seen so far. Looks pretty nice too.
So, so far so good. If I have any performance issues then I guess I will just turn off AA. Still no proper driver support for this super new game of course. I might give it a run later on the R1 as well see how it fairs on that.
Okay this is super fun and smooth ehehehe. Luv the sound effects and shooting. Seems to be capped at 62fps. No biggy!
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Nice nice. I think I got closed to 3k last time on the R1 for FF benchmark. I used the Fullscreen plugin thing and forced SLi though oles.Lozz said: ↑the GTX 285's finnaly show their muscle, so far as I know, this is the highest M17X score on the FF14 benchmark to date.
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all settings to maximum, physx set to high @ 1920x1200
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Oh yeh I was just wondering if you could post up some temps rpm fan speeds and stuff? HWiNFO32 sensors page would be nice. Idle, under load that kinda thing. THanks.
Cheers.
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Very nice score Lozz! FF14 is the reason you got the GTX's right?
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cookinwitdiesel Retired Bencher
So it looks like the GTX 285 SLI are exactly what I expected....a little weaker than the 4870s and a lot weaker than the 5870s (when all are stock, when overclocked the nvidia cards are left in the dust)
Do not bother posting vantage scores with physx enabled.....that is all that should need to be said on that. So what if the nvidia cards can take advantage of it....the test was written before nvidia owned Ageia so it was a little less biased. The GPU score is all that matters and it is exactly where it should be....high 10k.
The core speed is where it should be by the way. You misread the nvidia page, 576 is the MFLOPS NOT the core speed. With G92b core speed=shader speed/2.5 so 1500/2.5=600 right where it is. These cards are NOTHING more than slightly overclocked GTX 280m's (nvidia rebranding fail!) which have been exhaustively benched - If you need vantage or 06 numbers from the GTX 280m SLI in the R1 (same cards when overclocked) I have the records for those and sometime soon will have them updated as I have a set to bench again.
This is an overwhelmingly disappointing release on dell's part just go grab money.....I would not get these at all unless you are specifically playing a game that is not AMD/ATI friendly (and you could count those all on 1 hand.....)
Here is stock 06 and vantage for the GTX 280m (Physx disabled because that is the PROPER way to run vantage). I put a lot of effort into the vantage score. 06 was out of the box
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Here it is, GTX 285M SLI benchmarks
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