How did I do it again? | Reflash to stock A08 and throttle removed !?

OK...Getting weirder and weirder

I flashed a corrupt BIOS in tested for the throttle removal. Had to do a manual BIOS recovery, per my sig, and when the STOCK A08 got flashed the throttle isn't in effect. NOW, this is the SECOND time this has happened to me. And the first time I DEFINATELY didn't do a recovery.

Furmark is throttling at 78-79c like on A04. 3D is there. ?!?!?!?!?!?

I don't know what is going on??????

Thoughts?

 

Just flashed CLEVO vBIOS onto the card. Let's see if we get to keep 3D + I believe the throttle on the Clevo vBIOS is either higher or non-existant

Looks like the Clevo and Dell have the same vendor id and hardware id's....It's essentially the same vBIOS.

So I think Dell might have already been throttling even in A04 but it was so high nothing at the time (even the 485M) was difficult to get to that point so we never ACTUALLY saw it throttle. Now with this card we can. Only conclusion I can come to.

As of this moment I am currently still on A08 w/o the normal throttle. Woot.

 

Now try and keep the temps under control. Elevate the back and do a repaste. Hopefully we shall see this thing scream!

 

Hi

Regarding your reflash via USB recovery, I have not bricked my 17x laptop but have copied the bios recovery method A08 you instructions onto a usb flash stick just in case. should I try and see if this method of flashing does not include throttle? I do not have 3d, so unable to test that feature.. or is it risky to reflash with this method when not bricked?

 

It's not risky at all. I tried it myself just in case (for future use). Did not affect anything, as a matter of fact I think it is safe to do a bios update this way...

 

Also where did you get the CLEVO vBIOS? Would it CLEVO vBIOS benefit me without 3d screen. I have overclocked my card on stock Vbios on A04 will it benefit me to use the CLEVO vBIOS? on my 17x r3 580m? I have a link to a 580m Vbios mod http://www.mvktech.net/component/op...iew/id,61593/catid,13/limit,10/limitstart,40/ which have not used...

 

@LV have you considered that the lack of throttle limit is transferred when using a bios restore. Such as flashing to A04, then using the recovery method to get to A08? this may be how you did it last time?

 

Possibly but I tried every possible combination and it didn't work.

 

What are back now to throttling again? Have you tried the corrupt bios and recovering again?

 

At this point I don't want to because it works lol.

I am saying previously when I tried to reproduce it I reflashed at least 15 times

 

Ah right sweet do you still have that corrupt bios? Maybe pass it to someone else to try.

 

Well, these results are reproducable. My way was slighly different, becasue I tried the modified A04 bios that he posted to try. It screwed up my display so I had to flash A08.

Now I have 3D and no bios throttling!!! The first time I booted the 3D functionality was not there. But when I rebooted the 2nd time it came back, still not throttling. I can run Furmark no problem, and when I OC, the GPU throttles at 78-79C for just few secs.

We may not have a working modified bios but looks like we have a way to get ride of the bios throttling.

BTW If you're going to try it you will need to have the USB prepared the way LVNeptune explained. It is in his sig. You will need it for blind flashing.

A08 w/ Unlocked Options & 580M GPU Thermal Throttle Removal

Ohh, and I don't need to tell you that if it works out for you, you should tip AHMED for working on this issue for us. I'm hopping he will produce a hacked bios for us it all the stuff unlocked and throttling gone. I'm sure it is just a matter of time.

 

I posted the same on the bios forum. Basically looks like this process is reproducable. I did it twice and I was able to get ride of throttling with 3D working.

I tried following: (This is the 2nd try after previously removing throttling in A08 bios)

1. Flash Dell A04 bios
2. Flash Dell A08 bios
3. Test throttling and 3D. 3D is there, throttling is back.
4. I flashed A08 again using LVNeptune instructions. The throttling is still there. (This is just to confirm the flashing method had anything to do with it)
5. I flashed modified A04 bios
6. I flashed Dell A08 bios.
7. Test throttling and 3D. 3D is there, throttling is removed.

Well looks like the process is reproducable with positive results. Huray.

One thing to try would be to modify the A08 bios to just unlock the hidden features to see if we can get that working without loosing this glitch. This looks more and more like a permanent solution.

Good job.

 

I think he did modify A08 unlocked.

 

HI GANDALF , LVNEPTUNE , DARIOG ,

I`M here in NBR too but didn`t visit NBR alot as i`m busy in BIOS-MODS

here is the final modified A08 bios with the explain attached :-

ALINWARE17XR3 A08 REMOVED THROTTLE PACKAGE.rar

and here is the original thread link with all posts :-

A08 w/ Unlocked Options & 580M GPU Thermal Throttle Removal

THANK YOU FOR TESTING THE MODIFIED BIOSES

 

+rep Thank You for this Breakthrough! WELL DONE!, m17x Users enjoy!~

 

If anyone else with 580M 3D tries this trick, please post to let us know your results. It worked for 2 people and it should work for you too, but it would be nice to have a bigger test group.

I'm getting a replacement soon becasue my Wireless HD is not working, so I will be able to try it on one more rig.

 

Would this work for 580 users with non 3d screens?

 

Probably. I think the way you go about doing it is:
Install A04
Overwrite by installing the modded A04
Then use LVNeptune's bios recovery method to restore to A08
Then report back
Look forward to seeing your results

 

Please forgive me if this seems like a dumb question.

This sounds to me lik eI could buy a Clevo card, and stick it in my 460m 120htz 3D model, and keep the 3D?
Is this true?

 

Most hillarious work around....lol!...

 

It has been verified that the process works on none 3D 580M machines as well.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...x-r3-beta-mod-a04-bios-fix-throttling-3d.html

Actually you do not need to install Dell's A04 first. You can start with installing the modded A04.

 

Oh right cool. It's great to have some kind of work around!

 

So you want to hear something funny I discovered tonight. Looks like getting ride of throttling in 580m has nothing to do with the modded A04 bios.

I was able to get the same results by starting with regular Dell bios A04 and then flashing regural A08 bios using the blind flashing method as documented by LVNeptune.

So my speculation is that the bios with throttling, when run for the first time, sets something up that is responsible for throttling. Flashing using the blind method, somehow prevents this setup to occur on the first startup, and it doesn't run on subsequent boots as it is run once only type of a deal. Which makes sense if you consider bios can be only written so many times. It also makes sence to set it up once per video card as m17x-r3 can come with different video cards and they will require different throttling requirements. You see where I'm going with this?

So you since you start with a none throttling bios, and you move to throttling bios with all the new features you want through a blind flash, the throttling is never setup becasue blind flash bypasses that. Probably due to some safety feature.

Since my bios is no longer in prestine condition due to flashing, I can not be 100% sure my testing and conclusions are acurate, but I will be tommorow when I get my replacmenet box and I will do this procedure again.

Further more I would wager some $$ that if m18x with 580m throttling issue is due to bios and not vbios, then it can be bypassed the same way. Since 580m was released after m18x was already being sold, you should be able to flash it to the earliest bios, and then do the blind flash to the latest bios for m18x. Thus you will get 580m support and no bios throttling. There should be no throttling in old m18x bios for 580m, becasue there was no need for it (hopefully)

Someone go and tell the guys from m18x forum to try it out. I hope this works for them and it makes their day.

BTW someone should check if the same blind flashing method works for m18x before going to an early m18x bios. It may screw up the display.

 

hey guys i just got my laptop 580m with 3d.....it came with A06 Bios .....can you please guide how to remove trottle and get 3d working .....i tried following this thread but there are no concrete step by step instructions....so kindly help me ....

 

CONFIRMED what gandalftw discovered!

i regularly flashed bios A04 using dells executable > no throttle (using furmark, max temp 74°C)

blind flash bios A08 using lvneptunes method > again no throttle in furmark


btw: is there any way to find out if the infrared-sensor is installed/active? i tried 3D with bios a08 and nvidia 280.26, but somehow it doesnt work (looks like the glasses cant be detected via 3D-vision)

edit: +rep for lv and gandalf ofc

 

hI GandalfTW,
Thanks for you comments and efforts for M17X an M18X users +rep

So what your saying here is, if i try and blind flash the current bios for M18X to a03 this may work and get rid of the throttle or go back to original bios.

I'll try it now!! and report back.

The M18X A00 bios doesnt not work at all for the 580m you have to hard reset to get it to load and even then will not detect both 580m.

 

Yes.

What I'm saying is you should flash A00 bios,reboot, than do blind flash of A03. Check if throttling is gone.

You need to figure out what your file name should be for the blind flashing, just follow LVNeptune instructions for that.

If there is a problem with 580m in A00, it is ok as you wont be running it anyway and I'm counting on the fact it will remove whatever crap Dell put in to throttle. If this doesn't work than perhaps M18X throttling is all in VBios. I heared that people get pretty high temps like around 80C when throttling occurs. The M17X 580M VBios throttling temp seems to be around 79C for me. I can not get this temp in benchmarks or even when OC in games. I have to use Furmark while OC at 750/1800 and wait 1-2 mins.

Anyway, let us know how it goes. Would be cool if it works .

 

Guide created.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...ttling-m17x-r3-580m-without-120hz-screen.html

 

Well i just blind flashed straight A03 and throttle is still there, ill try now with A00first then blind A03
And Yes the M18X users need to rename the A03 extract fd file to PAR10X64.FD

 

wow....that was fast thks a lot...repped U

 

Nope still there! bummer

 

Hmm perhaps the A00 already had throttling for 580m built in or it is not bios throttling in m18x.

Is it possible to flash m17x-r3 A04 bios on m18x? and then blind flash the m18x A03 bios?

What do you think? See where I'm going with it . Might be risky but it might be also worth trying.

 

Was thinking the same based on your analysis. Why would it be risky since blind flash step is there?

Am I missing out something here in terms of risk? You guys are doing it left and right...lol!

 

Hi ALL ,

CAN YOU READ THIS POST CAREFULLY PLEASE !
I`m Ahmed who had moded the bios for removing throttle , unlocking setup utility .......and i see that you are messing in somethings here
FIRST OF ALL YOU SHOULD KNEW THAT :the original alienware 17XR3 A08 BIOS DOESN`T HAVE THROTTLE
-- I have extracted all bios modules and found that the new A08 bios replaced critical modules in the A04 for adding 3D support BUT WITHOUT MODIFYING THE THROTTLING TEMPS .
So , anyone may ask what caused the throttling broplem and how i fixed this........also how blind recovery can fix this too !!

THERE ARE ALOT OF IMPORTANT MODULES ARE HEAVY CHANGED THEN PUT IT IN THE A08 BIOS LIKE : DSDT , SSDT , ACPI , DXE CORE , SMM PLATFORM , MXM , PCI EXPRESS , SETUP ENGINE.......etc

THE ADDED 3D SUPPORT JUST REPLACED THE MXM , SSDT , DSDT , POWER MANAGEMENT , SMM CORE , SOME BIOSCOD MODULES .
FIRST YOU SHOULD KNEW THAT FLASHING FROM WINDOWS HAS ALOT OF ADJUSTABLE OPTIONS ( eg, you may select not to flash any dmi information , not flash the boot block....etc ) SO IT MIGHT BE THAT SOME MODULES ARE NOT CORRECTLY FLASHED OR NOT FULLY REPLACED WHILE FLASHING USING CRISIS DISK ( BLIND RECOVERY ) IS COMPLETELY FLASHING ALL MODULES INCLUDING THE BOOTBLOCK AS IT SUPPOSE THAT THE BIOS IS COMPLETELY BROKEN .
I HAVE REPLACED AND EDITED THE 2 DSDT MODULES , 2 SSDT MOULES , 4 MXM MODULES ONLY IN THE MODIFIED A04 BIOS THEN WHEN YOU FLASH THE MODIFIED A04 IT REPLACE THESE MODULES IN YOUR BIOS ( THESE MODULES IS FOUND IN THE ORIGINAL A08 ) AND IT BREAKS THE NOTEBOOKS WITH 3D GPUS ( AS THE 3D MODULES ARENOT COMPLETE ) AND NOT BREAKING ANY NON 3D NOTEBOOKS . ((( IN THIS STEP I CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE DESIRED MODULES IS REPLACED AND ALREADY FOUND IN THE BIOS )))..........THEN WHEN YOU FLASH THE A08 USING CRISIS DISK ( BLIND RECOVERY ) IT FLASH ALL BIOS PARTS AND THE REPLACED MODULES ARE THE SAME .

-----IF YOU ALREADY HAVE THE ORIGINAL A08 FLASHED AND HAS THE THROTTLE ISSUE THEN DIRECTLY TRIED USING BLIND RECOVERY WITH THE A08 BIOS ,,,THIS WILL NOT REMOVE THE THROTTLE
----- IF YOU FLASHED A04 THE FLASHED TO A08 FROM WINDOWS , IT WILL NOT WORK TOO .
----- IF YOU USED MY MODIFIED A04 BIOS AND THOUGHT THAT THIS MAY ADD 3D SUPPORT TO YOUR NOTEBOOK ,,,, IT WILL BRICK YOUR 3D NOTEBOOK AS IT HAS ONLY SPECIAL MODULES REPLACED NOT ALL 3D CHANGED MODULES .
----- THE MODIFIED A04 BIOS WILL NOT BRICK ANY ALIENWARE 17XR3 WHICH DIDN`T SUPPORT 3D .
----- THE BEST WAY IS TO FLASH MODIFIED A04 THEN USE BLIND RECOVERY TO FLASH THE MODIFIED A08 ( THE A08 ONLY HAS THE SETUP UTILITY UNLOCKED OPTIONS ) AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE THROTTLE REMOVED , UNLOCKED SETUP MENUS AND OPTIONS .
----- IF YOU ALREADY REMOVED THROTTLE BY THESE STEPS THEN FLASHED BACK TO THE ORIGINAL A08 BIOS ,,,,, THIS WILL GET THE THROTTLE BACK AGAIN TO YOU .

FINALLY , I JUST KNEW THE CHANGED MODULES BETWEEN A04 AND A08 , THEN KNEW THE MODULES CHANGED FOR 3D SUPPORT , REPLACED AND EDITED THEM IN THE A04 , WHEN YOU FLASH A08 THE REPLACED MODULES ARE ALREADY FOUND WHICH WILL MAKE SURE THAT THROTTLE IS REMOVED IN CASE THAT THE SAME PROBLEM HAPPENED AGAIN .................NOTE THAT THE VBIOS IS NOT CHANGED FROM A04 OR A08 BIOSES AND THE PROBLEM THAT IT CONFLICTS WITH THE NEW DSDT , SSDT , MXM MODULES WHICH MAKE IT THROTTLE AND REPLACING THESE MODULES IN A04 AND A08 CAN FIX THIS .

I WILL REPLY TO ANY QUESTIONS , AND HERE IS THE ORIGINAL THREAD IN THE BIOS-MODS FORUM :-

A08 w/ Unlocked Options & 580M GPU Thermal Throttle Removal

THANK YOU ,
Ahmed Hossam

 

Agreed. I don't think there would be a problem with ability to use blind recovery to restore a system. However there are never guarantees when it comes to things like that

I'm sure Ahmed knows what he is talking about, however the thing I don't get is if you supose the blind recovery removes all bios modules, then why flashing from A08 which is throttling to A08 using blind recovery, does not remove the throttling? You have to go from A04 to A08 with A08 being done through blind recovery.

Anyway, I just got my replacement m17x-r3 with virgin A06 bios. I flashed it to dell's A04 and then flashed it using blind recovery to dell's A08 and throttling is gone . Another happy customer.

 

I have wrote this in the end of my previous post :-

FINALLY , I JUST KNEW THE CHANGED MODULES BETWEEN A04 AND A08 , THEN KNEW THE MODULES CHANGED FOR 3D SUPPORT , REPLACED AND EDITED THEM IN THE A04 , WHEN YOU FLASH A08 THE REPLACED MODULES ARE ALREADY FOUND WHICH WILL MAKE SURE THAT THROTTLE IS REMOVED IN CASE THAT THE SAME PROBLEM HAPPENED AGAIN ................. NOTE THAT THE VBIOS IS NOT CHANGED FROM A04 OR A08 BIOSES AND THE PROBLEM THAT IT CONFLICTS WITH THE NEW DSDT , SSDT , MXM MODULES WHICH MAKE IT THROTTLE AND REPLACING THESE MODULES IN A04 AND A08 CAN FIX THIS .

this only applies to the A08 bios ...........the only difference in the DSDT tables is the added 3D GPU SUPPORT and the changes in SSDT is found because of the MXM modules changed too ...........all of these changes inside DSDT , SSDT , MXM , SMMCORE , DXE CORE , POWERMANAGEMENT ........etc has been done without updating the VBIOS for the new changes...............its really first time for me to see this problem in any bios but i`m glad that we have fixed this .
THANKS FOR YOU ALL FOR TESTING ON THE 3D AND NON 3D NOTEBOOKS ( WORKS FOR BOTH ) .