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    How to know if the fans are working?

    Discussion in 'Alienware 17 and M17x' started by tsuekasa, Jul 6, 2010.

  1. tsuekasa

    tsuekasa Notebook Consultant

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    My laptop seems to be running to hot when i play apb. when i t feel my my keyboard its a bit warm and the surface above the keyboard where the alienhead is even hotter. When i but my hand behind the laptop its almost too hot.
     
  2. EviLCorsaiR

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    Use a temperature monitoring program such a HWMonitor and post your temperatures here after a session of playing apb.

    I highly, HIGHLY doubt the fans have stopped working. If they had, then your GPUs would likely overheat and crash the system within seconds of starting a game.
     
  3. tsuekasa

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    is your keyboard normally hot?
     
  4. EviLCorsaiR

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    I don't have an M17x, so I can't say if it's normal or not.

    I've got the older M17. (Yes, that 'x' dictates two different machines entirely)
     
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    My keyboard doesn't really get hot to the touch but you've also got 2 gpu's in your system where I only have one. I can tell you certain parts of the machine get very warm when gaming or anything of that sort. You should be able to hear your fans on very lightly while idling and when gaming they should kick up substantially especially if your computer starts to feel hot on the outside. As EvilCorsair stated run HWinfo to get the temps on everything and post them, if they're abnormally high we can tell you something is wrong or if they're not we can tell you that as well.
     
  6. tsuekasa

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    does the cpu voltage have anything to do with temperature? i remember changing the voltage to 1.7 couple of days ago and back to default today.
    My computer just overheated and turned off. My air conditioning went out today and i tried just using a fan to cool it, it worked for a while until i moved the fan to point at me
     
  7. tsuekasa

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    is 120f (52c) to high for temp?
     
  8. FalconMachV

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    *52C is very normal
    *Clean GPU heat sink every 6 months
    *Vacuum vents weekly
    *Your AC is broken so your system will run hotter.
    *GPU-Z.0.4.3 is another temp monitor (free-measures GPU)
    *HWMonitor (free version measure CPU core)
    *The i5-520 may run hotter as it is working harder
    *Agree with EviLCorsaiR
    *Keypad can radiate a bit of heat under load
    *The question of heat depends on temp of room.
    *GPU and CPU core temperartures are probably within 10 degrees.
    *Voltage has a lot to do with temperatures.
    *Buy a wide base laptop cooler (the smaller ones may twist your frame and disrupt fans)
     
  9. tsuekasa

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    can i just blow air with a air can through my air vents? i dont know much about cleaning the heat sink
     
  10. EviLCorsaiR

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    52C isn't too high, that's actually low. It's perfect.

    Provided your CPU and GPUs aren't going above 90C while on maximum stress, it's fine. If they aren't going above 80C while you're gaming, then you've got absolutely nothing to worry about.

    Run HWMonitor in the background while you play a stressing game. HWMonitor will record the maximum temperatures as you do. Check them against what I've suggested above.

    In terms of cleaning the heatsinks, all you really need to do is take the back cover of the computer off, and blow compressed air through the heatsink (but try and avoid blowing it in a way that spins the fan-this could damage it). The heatsink will be under the large metal plate next to the fan, so you should be able to blow compressed air from the can through the heatsink without blowing it past the fan. Do this every few months and you'd be fine.

    There are much more effective ways to clean the heatsink but these methods are far more advanced and time consuming and really shouldn't be attempted by an average user.
     
  11. TipTip

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    I get about 30 C

    Check this:

    [​IMG]
     
  12. DaneGRClose

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    Tip I think his 52 degrees is probably his gpu temps, every computer I've ever owned has always run a bit cooler on the cpu unless it's oc'd. Your screenshot doesn't even show a gpu temp if you check yours it's probably at least in the 40's.
     
  13. Cmagamez

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    I will take this thread to dont open another asking the "same", i just want to know if these temperatures are ok:

    This happen on battery usage, just browsing the web, no air aconditioner and 23 C degrees

    [​IMG]

    This with the ac adapter just browsing the web, no air aconditioner and 23 C degrees

    [​IMG]

    And this after some minutes of play games, same environment temperature

    [​IMG]

    Is that normal ?? Thanks
     
  14. EviLCorsaiR

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    The problem there is that GPU-z doesn't display the highest values. Just what it's currently running at.

    You need to find out how hot the GPUs are actually running after playing in game, at full load.
     
  15. Cmagamez

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    I log it and i got this (see atachment) Highest Temps must be on game, is that so bad ?

    Edit: I notice than the Fan RPM are too low (4) while gaming, thats have not any sense, when i am gaming is when the fans run even faster !
     

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    Your highest GPU temp appears to be 80C. That's perfect, really. Well within acceptable temperature boundaries.
     
  17. Cmagamez

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    No man, take a look at the log file, i got 100 C degrees !!! and just 4 RPM on fans, thats insane !, a tech from dell said i need a card replacement, the fans seems to be not working as it should, or could this be a bad driver installation ? (i dont think so anyway)
     
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    Fans are under control of the BIOS, so It looks like your fans are crapped
     
  19. Predator4rmMars

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    Can you all tell me if my temps look okay?
     

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    Could be the Bios be damaged too ? Cause sometimes i get a Beep . . .during normal use
     
  21. Predator4rmMars

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    The other pic won't upload? The other pic is of my secondary gpu temps and how they are 10 degrees lower than my primary. My question is if this is normal and what are cautious temps to be worried about? last week I ran furmark multi-gpu and hit 100c in 10-15 minutes, should I be worried?
     
  22. Cmagamez

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    Hi, i just got the same problem that you, just check my log in the previous page, just call dell, is not normal to get those 100C, also, check the log for the fan speed, they aren't working at all !, im talking now with a tech and he will send anoter tech with new fans and a new video card, hurry up and call to complaint about it, good luck
     
  23. Predator4rmMars

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    Thanks man, I'm in no rush to call them hence why we all got warranties! I just wanted to know if the temps were normal and if the problem lies in the fans? I have heard rumors of the fans not working in the 5870's mainly the secondary gpu (I think it's the one without the CFX cable). It's strange because I can game with no problems and I don't even get the flickering like some others do. I am also wondering if since their is no integrated gpu (like on my R1) maybe that would explain the 10 degree difference, higher temps, and stress on my primary gpu vs. the secondary?
     
  24. Cmagamez

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    Well, when i say to get hurry its cause i like to have the system in perfect shape, i just dont want extras troubles about it, they will send me a tech to replace it; like you, i can play normally with good performance but again, the fans are running very slow on games, mainly on Sniper Ghost warrion (4 RPM); while in other games, like Metro 2003 the fans hit 240 RPM and max temp 98 C, cant understand why that difference between games . .
     
  25. Cmagamez

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    I test differents games and they seems to have a different behaviour, every game can easily the 90C but Sniper Ghost warior hit this and pass over this, also, is the game with less RPM on fans, logs attached:
     

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    I too like to have a perfectly running system, but a couple days wont make too much of a difference. My fans run fairly slow as well during idle but when I play crysis or left 4 dead, the fans kick in and get fairly loud. I haen't been able to install Metro 2033 because of the PhysX error I keep getting? But I think that the reason the fans and temp get high like that is because Metro is a graphic intensive game that relies heavily on Nvidia hardware and software. Since our systems cannot handle the Nvidia software it taxes our gpu's to find other routes of compensating for the lack of. I seriously believe that since the R2's do not have a integrated gpu that the ati cards get hotter.
     
  27. Predator4rmMars

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    like right now, I can hear the fans pushing air around and my primary temp reads 48c while my secondary reads 38c and this is without a cooler.
     
  28. klemens

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    If you want to know whether the FANS are working or not...
    just run the ALIENWARE DIAGNOSTIC...

    (Read the Alienware Manual Book, it shows how to RUN Alienware Diagnostic)

    Hope this help...
     
  29. Cmagamez

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    If that so there is not need ever to use another software to check the temperature, i did AW diagnostic and it say the fans are working, but, in the real game they arent, or at least not properly, check my logs above and you will see . .
     
  30. Predator4rmMars

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    I have to agree, when I first booted my system I ran diagnostics and everything passed. However, when and during gaming (less than 2 hours) my temps steadily rise and the fans kick in but the RPM's are very inconsistent and low. Also, my secondary card has lower temps than my primary by about 11c degrees?