M17X RGB LED TN vs 8740w IPS

You also have to consider that the monitor that you are viewing these pictures with. For most people, it's not a properly calibrated IPS with >100% color gamut. Your monitor's inaccuracies could make one of the candidates look better when in fact it isn't.

 

^^ Guilty is charged

 

I still couldn't agree with you, it's not correct enough to prove it's right, if not makes excuses.

Just remember one thing, I didn't force or tell you to do something else, i see (maybe everyone sees) how you love it, so, keep it on guy if you want. I don't like an argument here. Still in my opinion people get wrong impression/understanding only when don't know that the two machine weren't in the same condition. But I think who works in this field actually and easily see the right was 1.8 and the left was 2.2, even uncalibrated (though it's very great!).

So sorry for my impoliteness, I think I should not keep on posting in this thread. But I was really excited to see the pics from you Aikimox and m8o.

 

The problem is not in gamma difference. You wouldn't even notice it if I set both to sRGB. Unfortunately, I set the left screen to FULL/Native making it look darker and oversaturated. Now I have them both set @sRGB but I have no camera to prove the point.

 

Post remove... [walks away nodding his head saying "some people's kids..." wondering how the heck you qualified to get any rep, and finally finding the need to start using the ignore list on this board]

 

Don't take it personal, M8o. I know, it's your field and thus is very important but not many people here will ever reach your level. That doesn't mean that you have to start removing your posts. Others (including myself ) can actually learn from them.

 

I was leaning towads the 8740w with the DreamColor IPS but Bing had a end of days 25% deal on Dell/Alienware and I couldn't turn down a deal like that.

I'm glad to see the difference isn't that apparant when viewed straight on. I still wish the m17x wasn't so glossy, but I can deal with it. I'm amazed with the how good the side-viewing angle on the m17x though. It's just the tilted angles that dont look so hot.

This is still the best screen I've ever seen, next to a Pioneer Kuro.

 

Yeah, 25% OFF is the deal maker, lol. I'd do the same.

 

Since Sony phased out the BVM-series CRT's, one of my post houses, Company 3 in Santa Monica, has been using the Kuro Elites for a lot of dailies color work. Very happy, to say the least. For final color, we're using either Christie CP2K's or NEC IS800's.

Now, since Pioneer has exited the plasma business, word is that Panasonic gobbled up their engineers and is putting them to work on their Premiere line of pro plasmas. Time will tell... Oh and one note about the Kuro's; Out of the box, we tested them to darn near perfect REC 709. Maybe one tick to the left or right, in the green channel, and they were dead on.

For those of you that want the absolute best image quality, the Kuro Elites, if you can find them, are about the best direct displays you can get!!!

As for these monitor comparisons, we tested the original Dreamcolor 10-bit panels (co-developed with ILM). Color accuracy was decent. But black level was left wanting. It's just the nature of LCD. That being said, I've made the personal argument that when we do test screenings or premiers, in theaters, we don't achieve those super dark blacks to begin with. So what's the point? Engineers will hem and haw. But in the end, they have the budget for expensive toys. So they'll argue for the best.

As far as I can tell, the HP has a beautiful display. There is the IPS aspect. And yeah, you can maintain decent accuracy off-angle. But who really looks at their monitor off-angle, when doing work? There's the 10-bit'ness of it. But I think, MAYBE, Photoshop will start implementing 10-bit into their workflows (not talking about internal workflows, for you PS nerds). But hardly anything (with the exception of possibly REDCINE or the new Da Vinci licenses) will use it. So... why?

Where the Dreamcolor excels over the RGB display is in its use of accurate monitor profiles. It, at least, gives you the option of selecting sRGB as its internal LUT. The RGB only gives you its wide-gamut/Adobe RGB profile... The Covet M6500, like the Dreamcolor, is also properly supported... And someone, please correct me, if I'm mistaken about that. But I just returned my R2 because of this issue.

For the money, if the RGB, in the R2, had proper support, it would be the better value. It's an 8-bit panel (what 99.9% of applications support), it has the color range and, again, who cares about off-angle viewing? Not knocking that nice feature. But really, guys. Is it worth an extra $2000? IMHO, no.

What killed me is that I downloaded a guys internal profile for the R2. It was his. And I didn't expect it to match my display 1:1. But I figured it'd be close enough. I made a screengrab of my desktop and opened it in Photo Viewer (a rare color-managed app in Windows). I actually got to see my desktop as it was, more or less, supposed to look. It was right there and I could almost touch it. Close the app, look at my 'real' desktop and deal with all the exaggerated hues. Cringe!

Dell is very close with the RGB LED display. But they're asking us to pay too much for the proper support that comes in the Covet. Maybe I'll wait for a refurb to show up. Until then......