M17x Benchmark Thread Suggestions

There's been a few people asking for more more additions to the *OFFICIAL* M17x Benchmark Thread - Part 3 , so its more competitive (more ways for everyone to make their mark)

So I thought we would create an open forum so people can suggest more of what they would like to see on the next addition of the benchmarking thread (which could be anytime, even next year), or if there are any particular change's you would like to see, or if you would rather leave it the same!

It'll make more sense if everyone can voice their opinions before the thread is made.

So fire away Guys and possibly Girls!

 

Would it be bad to suggest notebookforums.com or hwbot.org since they have official benchmarking standards? Then people can just link to their scores. Within the thread here people can simply talk about their scores.

Mods have come here and posted that NBR is not a benchmarking site so it might be helpful to submit scores to place that are benchmarking sites. People already do it at Futuremark's site but that's just a select number of benchmarks. If we do this then the threads can be just about benchmarking and not just about specific Alienware models.

Without rules and standards then it's just chaos.

 

Yes, but the point was newer bench markers get de-motivated, when they see the amazing scores some of the people get.

I meant this as a way to get more people to try and bench. People who can't get 20k+ on vantage give up, and thats disappointing (because their computer's can't get score's that high with a 720QM CPU).

It's not to make it more complicated, but more evened.. god knows I don't want to be putting up 500 scores a day

 

Good luck with it. I've been trying for the past year and have even offered up prizes.

 

I noticed lol, specially the M15x.

 

You can always create categories based on the CPU. But, that would create too much workload for the person who will have to update the scores all the time...
Nevertheless, it would motivate more people to start benching...

 

and GPU....then award points based on rankings....

 

and then we name the thread hwbot.org LOL

 

M17x categories based on CPU Quad/Dual & GPU 260's/280's & 4870's/5870's.Loads of work for jubbing

 

Dejavu...we went through all this last year. We even had a member start a database to keep track of scores and a separate website to submit the scores. The lack of interest killed the project.

Edit: Here it is:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...notebook-benchmark-directory.html#post5136009

 

The only difference is that now there are throttlestop and setfsb available which means that there are more ways for someone to get a better score.... Maybe this time will be different...

 

We had FSB settings in the bios at the time and the extreme procs had multiplier options in the bios.

I'm not saying don't do it I'm just saying it has been attempted in the past. In the end it always turns out to be something more simple than what people ask for then interest dies.

Using something like hwbot.org might be a simpler solution.

 

i agree about hwbot.org
I have already submitted my scores there ( in a minute I will post a link of them on the benchmarking thread as well )

 

Do you know if a group can be created there so we can sort through just NBR submissions? I never looked into that.

 

That would be something I would be interested in looking at for sure.

 

Johnksss would know, I'll PM him.

 

1: for this to work...it needs to be opened to all notebooks and not just highend.
2: it needs to be listed in all the forums for anyone to post benchmarks and not that stupid "your off topic nonsense"
3: hwbot is a very good site. you can use the banner like i do and everyone knows your "real world rank" furmark is used to validate almost all of your 3dmark benches.

and all the other benchmark programs need to be added. this gives older hardware a chance to beat new hardware.

these are a few suggestions and not a what you should do.

and yes, you can make a group, but not really needed...
you can search by vga or cpu single or dual gpu

also, allot of people have desktops and not just laptops...so half of those people are not going to want to join another group....(observation only)

 

The creation of the group would be to easily organize NBR members. Since NBR is a notebook site a majority of the submissions should be for mobile products....yes laptops like the D900F counts but when sorting you will see it has a desktop proc.

 

lets start with how you are tying to classify benchmarking...

 

I think we had this discussion already...lol. Jubbing wants to organize this I'll let him answer.

 

the benching part is ran by who keeps the real records...

and these laptop/notebooks/desktop replacements would need to be benched as parts and not classified as a whole machine. (meaning..gpu/cpu/memory)

that way it's not machine specific...but if your trying to just do aw...not gonna work. you wont generate to much interest

kind of why the last one didn't work. it has to be open to the masses.
this is benching for speed and not quality. so games would be another part of it.

but since anything done in AW has to be AW...it's really not going to work....
not to mention the separation between aw models...another road block.

 

I would love to benchmark against other brands.

 

that's the spirit evilgenius.
at the end of the day...it's not just the machine, but more so the person running the machine. today you bench aw, tomorrow you bench asus..next week you bench clevo.. following week you bench gateway...it shouldn't matter what you bench...only that your recognized as benching.

this is why nbr needs a centralized link for all who want to join in...
just because you have dual 5870's and winning in vantage, doesn't mean you will win benching 2001 or aquamark. also older benching software levels the playing field in some cases...(speculation in the mobile benching)

 

HWBot would really cover all the needs as far as record keeping go

The only issue - and it is already being discussed there - is how to seperate off laptops from desktops to make it mean something when you have a gold metal and not just 2 points since only 4 people had the same video card as you and submitted scores

For example....22140 06 score is probably the single highest laptop 06 score on there now but I only get 2 points and not 50 or 60 because a stock desktop can stomp that nevermind the hundreds of laptop scores I have beaten (there are alot of laptop submissions - just not as many as desktops and much fewer per hardware category, they are more spread out)

 

In the end we would only be looking for a spot to submit scores and sort by NBR members only.

 

I don't really care that much about the score, the only thing is what Scook just mentioned, that the ranking is mixed with desktops.... Maybe we should contact administrators and make a seperate category and ranking for laptops...
For instance this is filtered by the GPU
http://hwbot.org/rankings/benchmark...kings?start=0&cores=2&hardwareTypeId=GPU_1702
If there was a category filtering by laptop only the list would be better for our purposes

 

hummm
then notebookforums.com would be a better fit for you guys.
hwbot is not limited to just laptops and a select few under one group.
it's more about over clocking for world wide placement..be it laptop parts or computer parts.

nbf is more geared for what you guys are looking for.

hundreds huh...
SEARCH RESULTS:

3Dmark 2006 - 22140 marks - scook9 (EVGA Enthusiasts) - (Ati Mobility Radeon HD 4870X2 @655/1130MHz)
2 points (4)
3Dmark 2006 - 21558 marks - scook9 (EVGA Enthusiasts) - (Ati Mobility Radeon HD 4870X2 @650/1100MHz)
no points (2)
3Dmark 2006 - 21503 marks - TheCodeBreaker (TheCodeBreakerEdition) - (Ati Mobility Radeon HD 4870X2 @675/1140MHz)
1.5 points
3Dmark 2006 - 21292 marks - scook9 (EVGA Enthusiasts) - (Ati Mobility Radeon HD 4870X2 @600/1000MHz)
no points
3Dmark 2006 - 20498 marks - scook9 (EVGA Enthusiasts) - (Ati Mobility Radeon HD 4870X2 @600/1000MHz)
no points
3Dmark 2006 - 18686 marks - scook9 (EVGA Enthusiasts) - (Ati Mobility Radeon HD 4870X2 @665/1100MHz)
no points
3Dmark 2006 - 18320 marks - katiephil (Bench Tec UK) - (Ati Mobility Radeon HD 4870X2 @645/900MHz)
1 points
rotflmao
i see 3 people in there.

if you got 100 people to submit..your two points will go up...it's base on how many different users submit benchmarks up to a certain point....so example...you would need like 300 people to submit benchmarks for your two points to go up to something like 20 or so. (speculation on the round about number)

 

I think NBR and NBF are some how affiliated. I say that because it seems that mods are the same people over there.

 

could be drake...i never really asked or investigated.

 

John I meant hundreds of laptop submissions. Not just my laptop. The same way there are points for the best overall 1x gpu score regardless of model

 

that's all i found.
and i checked... if there is like 300 unique submissions, it would put it up to 45 points.
http://hwbot.org/rankings/benchmark/3dmark_2006/rankings?start=72&cores=2&hardwareTypeId=GPU_1373

 

How many laptop 06 submissions have you made John? Lol

 

you already know..if you click my banner, it shows all my submissions.
and my categories are:
8600m gs
8800m gts
9800m gt / dual and single
9800m gtx / dual and single
9800m gts
gma hd mobile


but the key word is unique submissions, not one person submitting 300.

side not:
wish i wasn't thinking like most are thinking now!
then i would have ran all the other benchmarks and had like another 20+ gold trophies.....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
and in the top 100 club!..man, what we would give to go back...

 

Each submission in a different hardware category from a given user can be considered unique no? Or are you saying only the top submission from each user? Even if that is the case, there probably submissions from at least 100 different users for laptops

 

maybe im not understanding, so explain it please?

and if your going by laptops, this is wrong. it's hardware benching and laptops are made up of hardware. not the other way around. your trying to say 100 laptop submissions should count. this is wrong. it needs to be 100 4870x submissions from 100 different users. not 100 different laptop users submitting different cards.
i understand your trying to get to world ranking for laptops and we talked to them about trying to get that up and running. remember? and they said it was easier said than done.

 

Yeah I'm pretty sure if we look through old threads we had the same conversation last year. End result is there is no easy way to do it on NBR.

 

I was never saying it was easy. But yes I am talking about world ranking for laptops. The only way I can think of is to add a dropdown for laptop or desktop when making a submission. As for retro classifying existing submissions.....that will be a nightmare

 

id prefer it to not be done through the other site,although i love the idea of pitting my machine against other brands. i think we could develop a point system it wouldn't be to hard if we had basic submission rules, im on this site everyday, as im sure alot of others are, i could lend assistance to jubbing in compiling the info for him to post
as for generating interest i think if we break it up by hardware there will be more interest, i continue to try to beat my scores, even though i know with my current setup ill never get to the top of the list. i imagine if someone with a similar system saw that they had a chance to get to the top of the lst then they might throw their hat in the ring as well

 

i say you use hwbot. then come over here and keep the world ranking page...
problem with that is...it needs to be in a different part of the forums...aw mod is not going to let anyone not having a aw system post benchmarks.

 

That's the one thing I've liked thats come out in this convo - competition among all brands.

Clearly NBR is not a benchmarking thread, it is a laptop forum and discussion site, with room for casual benchmarking (you know.. with the odd laptop in the freezer )

We're always discussing score's with other brands, why not open it up to friendly competition. Laptop benching only. Laptop's don't stand a chance against the highest end Desktops (for obvious reasons.. they do well.. but fall short).

So if we open this up to ALL laptops, and only laptops it could work. However as mentioned, it can't be on Alienware thread (because off topic thing) and it can't be in off topic forum, because thats just.. well sad.

 

it needs to be sticked through out the forum. and just as you said...it can't be in off topic because it's not off topic.

 

It's almost like they're reading this thread. I just got an email from hwbot...

 

So why not just form team NBR on hwbot and have everyone that wants to submit laptop benchmarks join the NBR team so we can isolate the submissions?

 

That's great info Mandrake

 

+1 to that, but, I have to see if I have to leave the team I am already in, in order to join a potential NBR team... the other solution is to create a different account but my submitted results will conflict each other...

 

Is Hwbot stalking me? Or NBR for that matter

Joker's Idea works. See! Progress!

 

this would be a good idea, except for the ones benching for other teams. nbr would be considered a benching team and not a group. and those in competition will not be switching teams for that. but you would still see their scores in the rankings.

hummm, looks like you better join Team NBR
Member rankings.
1. 62.80 hikkoo 0.70 62.10 19x 5x 1x
2. 28.10 theb1rdm4n 0.00 28.10 1x
3. 11.30 moral_HaZaRd 0.00 11.30 1x 1x
4. 9.30 thomas.murlis 0.00 9.30 2x 2x
5. 4.80 SlimShady 0.00 4.80 1x
6. 4.70 ViciousXUSMC 1.30 3.40
7. 4.00 narsnail 0.00 4.00
8. 4.00 lndnny 0.00 4.00 1x
9. 3.20 bangert 0.00 3.20
10. 3.00 krazyphire 0.00 3.00 1x
11. 2.70 TehSuigi 0.00 2.70
12. 2.10 mastaace 0.00 2.10 1x
13. 1.50 Gophn 0.00 1.50 1x
14. 1.50 ANorecticUS 0.00 1.50
15. 1.10 Jayayess1190 0.00 1.10 1x
16. 0.80 bigozone 0.00 0.80
17. 0.70 nklive 0.00 0.70
18. 0.60 Apamedvapen 0.00 0.60 1x
19. 0.50 anothergeek 0.00 0.50
20. 0.30 Wu_Jen 0.00 0.30
21. 0.20 Kozi 0.00 0.20
22. 0.20 Huskerz85 0.00 0.20
23. 0.20 AlexOnFyre 0.00 0.20
24. 0.20 vkgowri 0.00 0.20
25. 0.10 ofelas 0.00 0.10
26. 0.10 Apollo13 0.00 0.10
27. 0.10 Nileshdd 0.00 0.10
28. 0.10 benx009 0.00 0.10
29. 0.10 IKAS V 0.00 0.10
30. 0.10 TheForerunner 0.00 0.10
31. 0.10 JigoloPete21 0.00 0.10

 

*bump*
We're not letting this die yet.

 

I think it's a great idea, but from just working on the M11x and more so,the M15x benchmarking thread, It's a lot of work. There were nights I'd spend over and hour just updating the scores having to go through a single persons 8 submissions and find which ones qualified, ect. It would be great if somone could do it, but it's a lot of work. Maybe NBR can help boost the economy by offering a single job. NBR Benchmark Manager. Heck I'd take it when I return from here so long as I got payed...

 

If we all join the NBR team and all of us submit there,the team can actaully be really good considering how many will submit. I think its a great idea