M17x R3 485m Nvidia Solution Discussion

I'm running on 266.08 with dell driver but still no 3D :/

 

no audio in the vid, and no pictures or instructions on removing the retention clips

 

No audio in the video but pictures instruction for removing the retention clips included! ( 32:18)

 

If anyone hasn't already, don't bother modifying INF's for now. This is hard coded into the driver, has nothing to do with INF's at this point.

 

When i go to 3D vision folder, try installing, it says:
'' panel of this notebook is not supported for 3D vision.''

 

Neptune, would you say your 485 is running significantly faster then your 460 was? Or does work still need to be done to optimize the card?

 

if it was hard coded into the driver then only the Dell driver would have this hard code meaning no other driver download would work even with rhe 460m, this was a question I asked on the other thread - does the 460m work 100% with none Dell driver ?

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do you mean there is a file in the system that Dell put there specific to the 460m and the LCD panel like a "sys" or "dll" file, if so have you managed to identify which one/s, this would also mean that a clean OS install wouldn't work either unless the files are included in one of the Dell driver sets

maybe some cleaver chappy can edit and substitute if that is the case

R3 A04 bios just released, not evident what changes have been made

 

eager to flash new bios, but have my notebook disassembled at the moment, waiting for 485m.

 

Don't Know how much this helps but I just spoke directly to someone from Nvidia over the phone and He said that it sounds like the screen the Alienwares use do not send out an ID code indicating that it is 3D, therefore the GPU has no way of recognizing it is a 3D screen. The reason the 460m functions in 3D is most likely because the Code it hardcoded to send a 3D ID to THAT card.


this would mean it has nothing to do with drivers and unless Dell helps us out we are not getting 3D working.


I don't know exactly how accurate this information is but the support guy seemed to know exactly what situation I was talking about.

 

so its not a driver issue meaning we would need a vbios for the 485m from dell? unlikely, unless dell actually releases the 485m for the m17x. back in the way prior to alienware being owned by dell alienware tech support would have been wililng to oblige on something like this.

 

Yeah,sounds like we might be screwed for 3D, but I'm not extremely knowledgeable when it comes to this so I am only going on what I was told. We still have yet to hear from Nvidia on the forums though and maybe we will luck out and there will be something they can do, if not then i would hold my breathe for dell helping us.

 

i would love having an extra retention clip for the 485 and extra heatsink, then i could just swap out gfx cards really easily and use 3d with the 460m when i felt like it.

i had tridef and iz3d working well with my envy 17 3d. wondering if iz3d can be used somehow maybe with the 485m and the panel rather than nvidia 3d.

 

Thats why I asked if anyone was willing to try and flash 460m vbios with non dell one and see what happened.

 

Thanks, dioxyde, probably(going into speculation sorry) the next alienware laptop will have the 485m and 3D with, of course, a dell vBIOS, or in the R3, hm... having support from our manufacturer with this without them releasing the card officially for this model I don't see it
We need to isolate and find out what the barrier is.

 

From my research it dosent even look like Dell/Alienware is interested in using the 485m GPUs.

The M18x will be using 2 460m GPUs in SLI for 3D.

For some reason I can't find ANYWHERE on the market any reference to using the 485m in a 3D laptop, and honestly it just doesn't make sense, I would think at the least Sager would put out a 485m laptop with 3D to compete with others and at the very least to claim the "most powerful 3D notebook" title like they've been doing with everything else.

I'm starting to think perhaps there is some deeper issue with this, but maybe I'm just over-thinking it

 

Honestly, for me, just having the power of the 485m is worth it, even if we don't get 3d support. Saves me from having to deal with Dell on a replacement

 

I agree with you, that's what I wanted to see from the begining but i've been taken by the wave with the 3D and the 485m in the R3. But as usual i need to know why/how.

 

Now i,m happy: Black ops on multi 80 to max 154FPS but average i think 112 fps
==> filter not activated as useless on that screen & ''-+'' 30min play 65*c ^^

 

nice..... waiting on some 3dmark scores by the way. and any oc results. also darcoder, did you update the bios yet?

 

I wonder if we could find a use for this

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i dunno. if you can get a dump of the 460m bios or something, nothing I'd be helpful at doing.

 

i will do some 3D marks but for oc, not soon, maybe in one month. And no, I never update my bios, I'm afraid that last bios lock GPU compatibility :/

 

yeah, I'm hesitant to update the bios for the same reason... but then again, maybe it would help with fan speeds or something. Dunno. Can't downgrade bios can you?

 

I don't know how to downgrade it :/ but right know i got some trouble with my pc, it s freezing like when i had my gtx460m

 

Blue screen? overheating/ gpu-heatsink misalighment? any other 485m users had this issue? Neptune?

 

no i post a tread, gpu temp is exellent, 65*c , cpu temp is 73*c.
It,s the same problem tht i had with my gtx460m.
I think it,s the cpu turbo mode but not sure

 

ah, my bad. hope you get it all sorted out. was hoping to have my card in hand today, but due to unexpected delivery issues will have to be monday... darcoder, any tips on removing the retention clip behind the 460m gpu?

 

a bios downgrade works the same as an upgrade

unless dell put a paranoid feature that brick the laptop if you try to flash back to try to get the two extreme guy who switched thier gpu to 485m nah for dell it's no worth the trouble they don't even void your warranty for doing this mod as long as you put your 460m back in befor shiping back

 

i haven't always been able to downgrade the bios of all my laptops. just saying. if someone with an r3 who already did the update wouldn't mind testing going back to 03 that would be helpful.

 

latest A03 BIOS is fine with the 485M, been running newest bios for months..

 

I thought the A04 was released today actually, yep A04 is available for download on the website, none of the earlier bioses are listed though, so would need a copy of the A03 just in case...

 

that software allows many things, fan profiles - subsystem id change - backup of the vbios etc, I'm thinking along the lines of getting a dump of the vbios of the 460m then someone with a bit of technical knowhow looking through it to see in they can identify a possible mod that we could make to the 485m that might overcome the 3D panel issue but retain the 485m vbios, even contacting the program author might shed some light on this, i sent an email to the guy from the download website, no reply yet

 

good idea geoffxx, by the way, envious of your i7-2920xm. almost got that instead of the 485 this week... what are your 3dmark scores with it?

 

just downloaded a vbios file to play around with, it is all pretty easy to use, subsystem and vendor id's can be easily changed, 2D can be forced to use 3D clock profiles, fan temps etc all on an easy to use interface

here is what would need to be done

extract 460m bios to file (not sure how to do this yet) and open with the application, note the vendor and subsystem id's

extract 485m bios and update the 2x id fields and save, flash the 485m with the modded bios, it will then look like a 460m to the subsystem but will remain as a 485m GPU

The bits I'm not sure about are extracting the bios and flashing again, but it all looks like pretty basic stuff.

 

good idea. happy to let someone else try it first though of course...

 

here is a sample page showing default 460m id's, (note this is not the Dell 460m)

 

I just disable turbo mod and I gain temperature and no freezing^^.
I play 30min black ops and gpu go max 66*c. This GPu is amazing but the defaults are - the vroom vrom effects sometimes
-no 3D
-modded driver

And i have both A03 and A04 bios on my desktop

Rivatuner can extract gpu bios
==> http://www.fanhow.com/knowhow:Save_nvidia_video_card_BIOS_27946976

 

I think we have a solution to our 3D problems using this forum and utilities, it all seems pretty basic stuff


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well all the tools are available to change some simple settings on the 485m id's to the same as the Dell 460m, it might be a good idea to ask for some advice from the forum explaining our situation, these guys seem pretty well tuned in

 

Nice found Geoffxx. Hope they can help us.^^

 

i may play around with those tools later tomorrow at least download the dell 460m bios

actually since my 460m is already removed anyone with it still installed care to see if the bios can be copied?

 

just make sure you keep a copy of both original vbios from the 2 cards in a safe place, all the tools are on that site to read save edit and flash the bios

it would be an interesting exercise to flash the 460m with the standard nvidia bios and see if the 3D still works, whar ever you do don't try and flash the 485 with the 460 bios that could possible brick the card, just editing the id's I think would be safe enough, I have the 460m standard bios and have been looking at it, it comes with the tool, at least the settings do


more guides forums and tools

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=336117

 

yeah, i would not flash the 485 with the 460 bios or anything, i just want the 460 id info and stuff. geoffxx, were you able to read the vbios off your card? I can't try any of this with my 485 till monday and don't want to waste any more thermal compound on my 460m for now. if someone would copy the vbios from their 460m and send it my way I'll try to make it work in a couple days.

neptune or darkcoder, did you try the a04 bios yet? I guess I'm going to put my 460m back in and see if i can get a bios dump and stuff for today.

 

No,I don't have tried, Im still with the release one. On a old computer a bios up was going wrong, so I don,t want to bug another time :/

But these day, will be less active as my exams coming. I will full active after the 20 april :/ .

 

ok, i copied the dell video card bios using GPU-Z (latest version) as well as a copy of the device Id/ vendor information and stuff. that was easy enough... can't do anything now till the 485 comes monday. thinking about changing my device id on the 460 just to see if it disables 3d mode, to test your hypothesis, geoff. actually copied the bios again using nvflash too just to be safe.

 

There is a 3D Clevo in the works, the P170HM3

It was recently certified and is on Nvidia's 3D ready list.

 

Yep, the driver listed for that clevo is 270.51 and I try to mod the .inf but during installation, I got an error for: graphic device driver :/

 

want me to send u a copy of the 460m bios darcoder? try changing device ids?

 

ok by PV, i will take a look when i got some free time.

 

my advice, if i was to do this first, would be to change device id on the 460m first and make sure it still boots ok and all, then try this on the 485m. would rather have a borked 460m than 485m, also make sure you know how to reflash the bios from a bootable usb drive using nvflash if necessary. and of course, i sent you the bios for the 460m to look at, not to flash to the 485 or anything. you can use nvflash for windows to copy the 485m bios and send it my way as well.

 

That,s the screen, but i don't have really some time for modding and I understand just a little not sufficient. Maybe some id are interesting...