M17x RAM Questions

Here is my vote, get two of these kits! Then knock yourself out running tons of Virtual Machines, or huge CAD and photoshop files! I mean huge! Maybe even flash them to 1866MHz.
Newegg.com - CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8G) 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Laptop Memory Model CMSX16GX3M2A1600C10

 

yea i saw those too but i might just go with 4x4gb corsair quad channel kit at 1866mhz..will this kit be compatible?

what about this ?????

http://www.corsair.com/memory-by-product-family/vengeance/vengeance-16gb-quad-channel-ddr3-memory-kit-cmz16gx3m4x1866c9r.html

 

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong but It only says Quad channel because theres 4 sticks. The m17xR3 is setup in 2x2 slots, not 1x4 slots, so it wont be quad channel. it WOULD be dual channel in the R3 if it fit. But its 240pin, your slots are 204pin.

Also take a look at my post on the first page, I finished editing it to make all information correct.

EDIT: Slickdude is correct, That is 240pin memory, not 204. So it would only work in desktops or the Clevo laptops that're using the desktop CPU's I believe.

 

no, that is desktop memory

if you want to go with Corsair Vengeance (eventhough HyperX is probably a safer bet), look here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&Description=corsair+vengeance+sodimm&x=0&y=0

you are correct Semi, the R3 will run in dual channel

 

so what semigamer posted on the first page and you slickdude just suggested i can just get two of the double kits of the 2x4gb ddr3 at 1866mhz and i would be set with a total of 16gb. why do you recommend hyper x over the corsair so much? what do you recommend i get with the hyper x

 

Thanks for the clarification.
Personally I think Option A under 1866mhz on my first post is the best bet for 1866mhz RAM.
Also I personally think 1866mhz is too much, 1600mhz is ideal if you dont mind spending the extra cash for the very little performance gain, and 1333mhz is all thats needed. So my opinion maybe a littttle off for what it sounds like the OP is interested in LOL

Yeah, that'd prolly be the best bet for 1866mhz bro. And HyperX just has a better reputation around here and respect over the Corsair.

If I'm being completely honest with you though, I PERONSALLY think your making a mistake spending that on RAM, and you should just go with this option (I'll quote so you dont have to keep going to my first post)

And buy a SSD with the $120 your saving to use as a boot drive, That would actually show you real performance gains, if you don't already have an SSD.

Thats just my opinion though and if 16gb 1866mhz is what you want, the option we gave you is your best bet.

 

lol yea i know its dramaticaly unnecessary to have 16gbs at 1866mhz of ram and i have m4 crucial 512 ssd. im willing to fork out a little extra $$ for slight performace increase. besides it will make my pc more profitable and just look a little more maxed out to sell towards a m18xr2 when the tech refresh finally comes

 

Jesus man a 512gb SSD.. (Jealousy) LOL.
Just for the heck of it, post your full specs? Sounds like you have a pretty beastly R3 if I may say so myself! But maybe we can find somewhere else to spend $120 on it and up the resell value higher than the RAM, because if you were to say sell it on here, most of the crowd here wont pay that premium for the extra RAM gain. I know I couldn't afford that for small improvements, you lucky ba$tard LOL Just playing with you.

 

well if you wanna trade pc's by all means im down for some dual 6970 the r3 is a joke compared to the r2

 

LOL hey man I said I was jealous of the 512gig SSD, and that it sounded like a beastly R3. the R2 on the other hand is a whole nother story

 

Someone say something about a 512GB SSD? I use one for storage in my R3... The 256GB is my boot drive.

 

Show off <.<
Haha just kidding,
-crawls in a corner and pouts about his inferior drive config quietly-

Imagine two 512gb SSD's for over 1tb of SSD storage? -drool-


EDIT: Darn it, why do we make all memory related threads turn into SSD decussions. My fault <.<

 

meh, who needs a 512 gig ssd? :wub:
EDIT: i need one lol

when they first came out, the vengeance sodimms were troublesome. Newegg stopped carrying them for a time and took them off their website.
I'm hoping that they are better now.

But that's not the reason why i recommend hyperx. The Corsair are not plug and play. I read many threads about the 1866 only working at 1600 and people struggling to get them to work at 1866.

now that said, the Vengeance have better timings compared to the hyperx and may be better now. You could get them from newegg, and if they don't work as advertised, trade them for the Hyperx PnP

 

Limited Edition HyperX is best. But to answer your question Slick, I just so happen to use my laptop on a surface that amplifies the HDD hum. Not the vibration but the hum and it's really annoying hence the SSD. Plus, if I even decide to use the Performance Pro in like a desktop build, the 512GB SSD is still great for the laptop.

As for ram, the Corsair Vengeance 1600Mhz ones are really good from what I have heard. They are similar to the HyperX 1600Mhz PnP and if you can get a good price on any of those, I'd go for it.

 

i was only making a joke about your 512 SSD. I'd love to get a 512 SSD and when the prices come down, i will get one

Given that the rest of your laptop is decked out, i wouldn't have expected anything less from you Widezu

 

Haha sure yeah I know what you meant Staying on the ram subject, apparently 2133Mhz ram will be supported on the M18x R2 at least. Wonder what kind of ram will be offered on the M17x R3?.

 

Stock Dell RAM is beast apparently, johnksss flashed it to run at 2133 on the M18x. The R3 isn't capable of that speed though :/

I flashed my HyperX 1600Mhz PnP to HyperX 1866 PnP thanks to Thaiphoon, that's an almost free upgrade right there for a very cheap price.

The Vengeance are PnP, you can see that if you analyse their profiles. Some laptops like MSI just don't support 1866. That's like the R3 not supporting 2133 whereas the M18x does.

 

Do you have a link that shows how to flash 1600Mhz RAM to 1866Mhz, and is it safe to do so? I have 2x2GB Nanya Stock RAM and 2x4GB G. Skill and might as well see if I can flash it to 1866 if I can.

 

I have a M17XR3 with a i7 2860-250GHZ...Win7 64Bit....a SSD drive. I have 16GB DDR3 1600MHZ and would like to go to 32GB. What do you suggest as far as brand or will it do me all that much good?

I edit a LOT pictures with LR4 and was thinking this would help. Would appreciate some sound advise on this. Thanks

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...enchmark-thread-part-4-a-235.html#post8381346

 

mastermrt, read thru this thread, there are quite a few recommendations of 8Gb sticks.

 

yes...and one more thing...if you want 32 gigs of ram, you'll need at least the pro version or ultimate version of Windows 7. The home versions will only work up to 16 gigs

 

Any downside to having 1866ram over 1600ram? Like extra power consumption or stuff like that?

 

na, no real downside, except that some have issues running the ram at 1866...so it goes down to 1600

 

Sorry for not including that I have 64bit ultimate. I don't know a lot about ram just wanting a simple answer would there be much improvement with 32gb

 

the simple answer is no...you will not see any difference at all, unless you are running apps that would use the extra ram like virtualization, or mutliple servers etc.

For even the most heavy power users, 16 gigs is more than enough. I rarely ever make it to 8 gigs

If you want something that will make an immediate impact on your computer, get a SSD

 

Thanks, I do have an SSD. I did not think it would but I don't know that much about memory/ram. Thanks for your insight and I appreciate it.

 

Did a quick search but didn't see a answer but is there any issues having 2 PnP HyperX 1600 and 2 nonPnP 1600 HyperX Ram in the same system?

Thanks in advance

 

Well seeing as non-PnP ones need the XMP profile to run at full speed, probably not. It will be downclocked to 1333 most likely.

 

Well the nonPnP sticks run at 1333. I even tried to force it in the bios but it reverted back. So that answers that. Not that I need 16GB ill prolly sell the spare 8GB set I have.

Oh well

 

Any difference between:



Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3 1600 HyperX Plug n Play Laptop Memory Model KHX1600C9S3P1K2/8G
$69.99


CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Laptop Memory Model CMSX8GX3M2A1600C9
$47.99

Why the huge price difference?

 

Kingston charge a premium because theirs have heatsinks on them but really, it's just marketing. Both are equally as good. It's just your preference.

 

If I was to buy again I'd go for the Corsair, but then again the heatsinks are a really nice addition to the HyperX.

What you should do is buy some cheapo RAM (Hynix or something good) and flash them to 1866 using Thaiphoon Burner.

 

Just ordered a m17x, got the 7970m, and advanced intel wifi. Everything else is stock. My question is if the 6gb RAM is dual channel or not from dell? for all the options is says dual channel except for the base 6gb option.

Also, is the fastest available notebook ram still the kingston 1866 or 2133mhz?

 

Just got my M17x R4, and Corsair 1866 RAM, but the laptop does not POST with the RAM. I've read all through many threads, but I seem to be missing something fundamental, something basic. I need "Upgrading RAM 101" apparently. I cannot flash spd speeds unless I can boot the RAM to begin with.

I've tried BIOS settings to XMS 1 and XMS 2, as well as manually entering timings I have found for this RAM. I usually leave the laptop running for 30 seconds before I give up on POST, but once I left it for 15 minutes.

I am beginning to get concerned about wear and tear on the bottom panel and battery from constant swapping of the RAM sticks back to the original.

 

Maybe you have faulty RAM? Have you tried with one stick? Try one, then try another.

Also you can put the back cover on, but ignore the screws and battery and just plug it in and test it out.

 

I didn't want to mix RAM speeds, but decided to try anyway for testing. One stick of 1333, and one of 1866 does POST, and it boots as well. I've also just installed an SSD though, so reloading Windows has put the RAM on hold for now.

I am hoping that I can flash the spd now that I can boot. But I still dread the effort it will require to constantly reboot and swap RAM while I try different speeds. Since it works now I assume that it is just using the lower speeds of the older stick, so I need to remove that. I haven't got CPUz installed yet and BIOS doesn't say as far as I can tell.

Most RAM issues I've seen and read about are configuration issues, not defective product. Had I read all of this before I bought the RAM I would have just gotten 1600.

 

guys guys i neeeed help !!!

I ordered a m17x with 6Gb 1600 MHz ram

i have Corsair Vengeance 4+4 = 8GB 1600 MHz
http://www.corsair.com/us/memory-by-product-family/vengeance/vengeance-8gb-high-performance-sodimm-memory-upgrade-kit-cmsx8gx3m2a1600c9.html got for $50 from newegg

Cas Latency: 9
Timing: 9-9-9-24
Voltage: 1.5V

I was thinkin of adding that 8gb in my M17x.

Will that be a good idea , since the 6GB will still be on Hybrid Dual Channel

or do you think i should put out the 6gb and only put 8gb

so shud i stay with (4GB+2GB) + (4GB+4GB) = 14GB
or just (4GB+4GB) = 8GB

if i dont use the 6gb, it will just be lying around cz i got nowhere to attach it

 

I was considering the same thing. I would rather use my corsair 1866 sticks in dual channel mode, but I hear that performance is not that much of an improvement. So it is just a choice between two things: do you need the space? Do you want the fastest speeds?

I want 16GB, but I doubt I'll fill 8GB, so I cannot justify the cost of buying a second pair of RAM. I got the first pair for increased speeds, but I haven't got them working correctly yet. I likely would have had better luck with the 1600 RAM.

 

Dell is offering free ram upgrade, so I am thinking to get a 8gm unit and add another 8gm myself. Does it matter if I add different brand of RAM to it? Or it is better/safer to have the same brand of RAM?

 

Yes.

The brand matters, but not much. The slower speed module will force the system to run both modules at the lower speed. It is safer to use identical modules, in that, they are less likely to conflict. They are matched. Sometimes timing issues are not obvious.

I spent six months troubleshooting a RAM timing issue with HyperX memory about 8 years ago. All the numbers were fine, but that RAM just did not work in my Asus board. And it was only specific to the Rev 2.0 board, not the Rev 1.04 or 1.13 boards. Either the RAM or the Motherboard were out of spec, but which one? Maybe they both were in spec, but on the opposite ends of the allowable range, where the difference may have been beyond their tolerance. I don't know, but Corsair RAM worked fine.

Most of the time you can mix memory vendors, but troubleshooting problems can be very frustrating.

 

So...even the same speed ram, because they are from different brands, they might still have minor difference and cause conflict?
btw, the ram from dell is Samsung, right?

 

I am sorry I dont know if this has been asked or mentioned before but how do you choose the size of the RAM... I mean not how many GB but how do you know what will fit in the M17X?

I mean Kingston HyperX has these \
1. blu
2.Genesis
3.T1
4.PnP
5.H20
6.So-Dimm

and each looks VERY different to my unprofessional eyes, and I dont know how to figure out what will fit in the m17x?

I dont know if it will make a difference but the M17X I am asking about is the R4 one.

 

You would want to get the So-Dimm version of the RAM As that's what laptops take hehe. Preferably the 204 pin version.

 

anything negative performance wise about going with 2x 8GB kingston?

 

Definitely SO-DIMM
SO-DIMM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have an R4 and have been trying to correct my mistake of getting 1866 corsair memory, it failed to POST. From what I read in an Anandtech review linked in here someplace, speed is not very important with sandy bridge, and nobody expects anything different with ivy bridge either. There's about a 7% speed difference between 1333 RAM and 2133 RAM. You get 4-5% from 1600, so the 1866 is not with the cost. It certainly was not worth the hassle for me.

I ended up getting the Thaiphoon software and re-flashed my RAM down to 1600 speeds. But it was more difficult than it should be. While the process was easy enough, most timings still did not work.

First I "corrected" the 1866 timings I read about, but that failed to POST.

Then I flashed 1600K speeds, but that failed as well.

Finally, I got 1333 speeds to work and I could start testing without swapping RAM every single GD time!

I have settled on 1600G speeds for now, I can try more at a later time, but I am done for now. Most are fairly quick to assume that their RAM is bad, don't believe it. These are very complicated things and not for the faint of heart.

 

Before you swap the modules, go into the BIOS and increase the voltage to the RAM by 0.05V to 1.55V. My R3 also would not POST initially at 1866 but has been flawless for 3 months with the slightly upped voltage.


930MHz x2 for DDR - my Memclk is a little shy of 933MHz because I neglected to change the baseclk during the last update flash.

 

It occurs to me that since I'm using Windows Premium, 16GB is the cap anyway, saving me the problem

 

Anyone know the name of the M17xR4 ram sticks?
I'm just getting 6gb (1x4gb 1x2gb) and removing the 2gb for an 8. Would it conflict at all with the dual channeling?

 

I bought my R4 with the 6 GB option. Samsung
M471B5773DH0-CK0 1206 - 2GB 1Rx8 PC3-12800-11-11-B2
M471B5273DH0-CK0 1206 - 4GB 2Rx8 PC3-12800-11-11-F3
It was single channel with mismatched modules