The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.

    M17x shuts off randomly

    Discussion in 'Alienware 17 and M17x' started by krazeaznboy, Apr 7, 2013.

  1. krazeaznboy

    krazeaznboy Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    21
    Messages:
    43
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    I am having an issue with my laptop. Probably twice a week, it would just shut off. This occurs even if I have my charger plugged in. The temps were fine when this happened. Any ideas?
     
  2. radji

    radji Farewell, Solenya...

    Reputations:
    3,856
    Messages:
    3,074
    Likes Received:
    2,619
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Does it shut off or reboot? And what are/were you doing when these shut downs occurred?
     
  3. Rodster

    Rodster Merica

    Reputations:
    1,805
    Messages:
    5,043
    Likes Received:
    396
    Trophy Points:
    251
    Do you have any processes that might be running in the background that could request a shutdown? When it shuts down are you on battery?
     
  4. krazeaznboy

    krazeaznboy Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    21
    Messages:
    43
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    My laptop was connected to the outlet. It will turn off and not restart. Most of the time it has been when I was web browsing or watching a movie. One time it was when I was playing crysis 3. I don't have anything in the background that would want to restart my computer.
     
  5. radji

    radji Farewell, Solenya...

    Reputations:
    3,856
    Messages:
    3,074
    Likes Received:
    2,619
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Does it say that Windows has recovered from any sort of error when you start back up again?
     
  6. krazeaznboy

    krazeaznboy Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    21
    Messages:
    43
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
  7. DDDenniZZZ

    DDDenniZZZ Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    810
    Messages:
    1,311
    Likes Received:
    35
    Trophy Points:
    66
    No memory dumps within windows? If there is might be worth trying 'whocrashed' I suspect could be GPU hardward/software problem :(
     
  8. senshin

    senshin Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    124
    Messages:
    311
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Hello,

    First thing i would try is a complete reinstall of windows to be sure that's not a problem.

    What DDDenniZZZ says, if you have no memory dumb probably something like the GPU will be defected or something, but still that's not sure.
    Try whocrashed and report here.

    You can always try, check HD for errors, try to install some new driver (or reinstall).
    Push some hardware to the limit and watch what happens then, take out some hardware, (like the GPU is that's possible).

    Sjoerd

    EDIT: this very easy to get corrupted files with a SSD, seen it many times.....
    (was just thinking about that haah)
     
  9. steviejones133

    steviejones133 Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    7,172
    Messages:
    10,077
    Likes Received:
    1,122
    Trophy Points:
    581
    Are you sure the temps were fine? - an easy thing to check is wether or not the fans/heatsinks are free of debris and dust. Obviously, Crysis 3 can be quite taxing on gpu/cpu so it's possible it's a thermal shutdown. I duuno if when you were surfing/watching movies, you had adequate ventilation to the base or wether it was maybe on your lap or something that *could* block airflow......

    Like I said, easy to check anyway, will rule out one thing for sure anyways....
     
  10. unphoto

    unphoto Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    155
    Messages:
    348
    Likes Received:
    22
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Well i think i might have an idea.
    I had the same issue yesterday.

    I am running a nowhere-near-stock setup 24/7 and this taps allot of power from the outlet.
    Yesterday i was at a friends house and one of his outlets is faulty.
    So after like 9 hours all of a sudden i hard a sharp *SNAP* and the notebook just shuts off. (no reboot)

    I was like......so i l rebooted the notebook. no Windows error report.
    I have temps logs running 24/7 and everything was well within normal limits (GPU 78 degrees/CPU 78)

    The screen was very dark and i saw that the battery indicator said it was unplugged.

    When i looked at the back and check the power cable, i saw that blue cirkel (indicating it is running a current) was dark/off.
    Outlet was not working......so lets say i would be tapping 180W's out of the wall and it would fall back to battery mode IN-GAME....thats no way gonna work.
    A battery can never suplly that kind of Wattage.

    This scenario that krazeaznboy layed out, sound like a similar scenario
     
  11. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,436
    Messages:
    58,194
    Likes Received:
    17,902
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Yes I have seen the same thing too with overloaded adapters, check the wiring if you think the adapter is good in other places.
     
  12. radji

    radji Farewell, Solenya...

    Reputations:
    3,856
    Messages:
    3,074
    Likes Received:
    2,619
    Trophy Points:
    231
    My R2 is doing the almost the same thing. The screen suddenly goes black, but it reboots whereas yours shuts down completely. I suspect a hardware problem (cause that's what's causing mine). If a fan is malfunctioning, then it can cause the system to shutdown unexpectedly as the notebook will not run without the CPU fan...at all. The next possible cause is the GPU, but I am putting that low on the list of causes since you have a 680m and the system is shutting down instead of restarting. Next is the PSU. If it is malfunctioning, it can be surging to the notebook and causing the motherboard to shutoff as a protection mechanism. Last would be the motherboard itself, and it's voltage regulators going bad.
     
  13. unphoto

    unphoto Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    155
    Messages:
    348
    Likes Received:
    22
    Trophy Points:
    31
    download coretemp and gpu-z and set the programs to make logs.
    as soon as you have had your shutdown, look at your logs. that should shed some light on things.

    shutdown and no restart is a bios feature against a shortciruit so my fear is that it's Power related.
     
  14. Qfoam

    Qfoam Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    35
    Messages:
    38
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Radji, you might check your event logs to see what occurred when the restart happened.

    It does sound like a power problem in your case (which may be different from the OP's R4 problem), in which case you should get an event logged as the machine boots back up, indicating that shutdown had occurred due to under/over voltage, for example.

    You don't get a BSOD, because in those situations the system design assumes the processors can't reliably run. So the status responsible for the shutdown/restart is set in a register somewhere, which is accessed upon startup, at which point an event is logged.
     
  15. unphoto

    unphoto Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    155
    Messages:
    348
    Likes Received:
    22
    Trophy Points:
    31
  16. radji

    radji Farewell, Solenya...

    Reputations:
    3,856
    Messages:
    3,074
    Likes Received:
    2,619
    Trophy Points:
    231
    I did get a critical error logged in the event viewer. It was always a kernel-power error so I've narrowed it down to being an actual hardware malfunction. It's either the GPU, the motherboard, or the CPU. Luis Porras is getting me a replacement 5870m and I will get it swapped out and go from there.
     
  17. krazeaznboy

    krazeaznboy Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    21
    Messages:
    43
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    15
    Funny thing is.,.this started happening at the same time when my laptop charger stopped working. I'm using my 2nd charger at the moment. My laptop was on my desk when it happened. I use hwinfo to monitor my temps. I know for sure heat is not the reason for it shutting down.

    @radji I also have that problem. I don't turn off my computer when I go to sleep. When I open the lid, the screen would just be black and I would have to do a force shutdown. This one happens more frequently than my random shutdowns. I had this problem with my last installation of windows.

    I have another 3 months before my warranty goes away. Does AW cover faulty laptop chargers?
     
  18. unphoto

    unphoto Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    155
    Messages:
    348
    Likes Received:
    22
    Trophy Points:
    31